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Is there some way to extend the residence permit here in Poland? I have a tourist visa.


Depox  
8 Sep 2011 /  #1
Hi there , I have a question , happens that I have to get out from the EU soon because I have a tourist visa , but don't wanna wait 3 months to come back , is there some way to extend the residence permit here? my GF is from Poland , but we are not married ,

I thought to go to Moscow and re-enter by some unknown border point just to have the stamp in my passport , yeah sounds risky à la 007 , but that is what woman's make to men , then please , have you got any Idea?

thx bye
OWELL  
9 Sep 2011 /  #2
Honestly there is double policy with immigration in Poland.....depends what passport you hold?if from east then yes you have to get out or marry her or open a company or whatever logical reason you can give,If from west, Australia or USA then to be safe take a train ride to Ukraine and come back next day or i have seen some of my pals overstaying years going back to Usa and coming back and have had no problems until you have done serious crime...then again if the Immigration officer on port don't like your face:) he can fine you and ban you entry for some years i don't know how many.....The answer is where are you from?

Just to update you ...Polish immigration is not implementing EU laws yet for Americans ans Australians YET! while France, Germany,UK are for in fact deporting them( even if you are flying back they will stamp DEPORTED and put your passport in computer)so just be careful what you do...
OP Depox  
9 Sep 2011 /  #3
@OWELL , thx for your comments , indeed I come from Chile , I don't need visa for Schengen or even Russia , but not more of 3 months of stay , my problem is as I told before is how to avoid to go to an outside Schengen country for 3 months and come back ,

, what happens for instance if I overstay in Poland , can I begin some voluntary work , study or whatever?
PWEI  
9 Sep 2011 /  #4
OWELLThe answer is where are you from?

I do wish that people who know nothing wouldn't give advice which gets other people into trouble.

No it is not legal to take a train ride to the Ukraine in order to get another 90 day-visa. Once you have been inside the Schengen Zone for 90 days in any 180 day period, you must either have a valid residency permit or leave the zone and stay out for 90 days.

If anything, leaving Poland is worse than staying here: all you do is twice expose yourself to people who will take an interest in your passport.

More and more Americans are learning this the hard way every month.

Depox
what happens for instance if I overstay in Poland ,

If you get caught, you'll be deported. When you try to leave Poland, you may be fined and banned from the Schengen zone for a number of years.

Depox
can I begin some voluntary work , study or whatever?

Not legally you can't. If you are not in Poland legally (which you are not if you have been in the Schengen zone for more than 90 days in any 180-day period and you do not have a residency permit), you can not do anything legally and nothing you do will make you legal in Poland: you must leave and stay out for 90 days. Of course, if you overstay and then are not lucky at the border, you will need to stay out for a lot longer than 90 days.
OP Depox  
9 Sep 2011 /  #5
let say that my GF , or other polish individual that knows me (and know my situation), goes to speak to the voivod (the office in charge of residence permissions) , can that be a good reason to extend my stay here?

Can I do something ,within a week time , to get an extension of my residence ?

@OWELL and @PWEI thx for the comments anyway
PWEI  
9 Sep 2011 /  #6
let say that my GF , or other polish individual that knows me (and know my situation), goes to speak to the voivod (the office in charge of residence permissions) , can that be a good reason to extend my stay here?

No. Most certainly not.

Can I do something ,within a week time , to get an extension of my residence ?

Nothing that would work. You could try claiming asylum but they'd probably just laugh at you.
OP Depox  
9 Sep 2011 /  #7
I never thought about that , c`mon , then I`ll try the Bond way .. jeje
PWEI  
9 Sep 2011 /  #8
Why would you want to do that? Even if you do manage to cross what is now one of the most tightly guarded land borders in Europe, you'll still be in Poland illegally. You'd be better off just not leaving Poland (you'll be here illegally either way but at least if you don't leave, you won't need to explain why you have no Polish entry stamp in your passport).
OP Depox  
9 Sep 2011 /  #9
The plan is :

get out from Schengen normally via Russia or Ukraine , then I get the Stamp , then I return to my GF`s house illegally and stay there 3 months , go back to Ukraine or Russia illegal , and re-enter Poland legally ... sounds easy no?

Poland has several km of Border no? who knows the best then
PWEI  
9 Sep 2011 /  #10
get out from schengen normally via Russia or Ukraine , then I get the Stamp , then I return to my GF`s house illegally and stay there 3 months , go back to ukraine or russia illegaly , and reenter poland legally ... sounds easy no?

Sounds totally foolproof. What could possibly go wrong? All you need to do is to twice cross one of Europe's most heavily protected land borders and avoid any situations in which you might need to show your passport for the three months that you are illegally in Poland.

Personally, the last time I even went near Poland's border with Ukraine, my passport was checked more than once, and I didn't even leave Poland.

On the plus side, the average IQ in Poland will certainly go up after you get caught and banned from the Schengen zone for a good number of years.
delphiandomine  
9 Sep 2011 /  #11
Polish immigration is not implementing EU laws yet for Americans ans Australians YET! while France,Germany,UK are for in fact deporting them( even if you are flying back they will stamp DEPORTED and put your passport in computer)so just be careful what you do...

Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.

Poland is applying the rules regardless of the origin of the person - the only way to stay in Poland without time limits is to be from the EU/EEA/CH, or to hold the Karta Polaka. Or to have permanent residency.

Incidentally, they don't stamp "deported" either. Standard practice in Schengen is to stamp your passport with a red exit stamp, along with putting the details in the SISOne4All database of your ban.

Poland has several km of Border no? who knows the best then

I can tell you where to cross. But I can't promise you that you won't get caught - the Soviet-era border zone is still intact in Ukraine, Belarus and Russia for a start.
OWELL  
10 Sep 2011 /  #12
The plan is :
go back to Ukraine or Russia illegally , and re-enter Poland legally ... sounds easy no?
Poland has several km of Border no? who knows the best then

NO GOOD!when you leave for Ukraine you still will face Polish customs and immigration so beware because cpl years back a friend of mine who was in flourishing business with a house car wife kids applied to renew his residence permit and went to Moscow and they deported him back from Belarus border cuz he still didn't have the card even if he had applied to renew his old one on the contrary I have my friends from USA and Canada who go out to Ukraine in 90 days and come back and been doing that for maybe 11 years and have no problems...just to be safe i would join a school/university and change ur status to a student visa and be legal rather then taking risks and being banned for years.And again go to Ukraine ILLEGALLY?how? in a cargo truck? Man beware of em ruskis better take your black amex card to pay em:)

Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.

OK I agree about the deported stamp,cuz I couldn't remember the exact name of the eu database......but how come so many Canadians, Americans and Australians still going to Ukraine and coming back??? i have maybe 4 people i know been doing that for years and one maybe 11 years now?
OP Depox  
10 Sep 2011 /  #13
And again go to Ukraine ILLEGALLY?how? in a cargo truck?

Ha ha , normally is the other way around with immigrants ... but Ok , let say
that I go legal to Ukraine (btw what is better Ukraine or Kaliningrad?)
and stay 3 months ... some1 knows how expensive Ukraine is in comparison with Poland?

thx again
bullfrog  
10 Sep 2011 /  #14
can't you just respect the rules? i thought that in this respect Chileans were more "civilized" than other South Americans...
delphiandomine  
10 Sep 2011 /  #15
OK I agree about the deported stamp, cuz I couldn't remember the exact name of the EU database......but how come so many Canadians, Americans and Australians still going to Ukraine and coming back??? i have maybe 4 people i know been doing that for years and one maybe 11 years now?

They're lying to you - I know how strict the checks are on the Eastern border, and there's absolutely no way anyone would get away with it "for years" - once if they're lucky, but given that they really, really closely look at documents there, there's no way someone could get away with it.

but Ok , let say that I go legal to Ukraine (btw what is better Ukraine or Kaliningrad?)
and stay 3 months ... some1 knows how expensive Ukraine is in comparison with Poland?

Ukraine is better by miles. Lviv is a great place to spend 3 months. It's also quite a bit cheaper than Poland.

By the way, the deal is that for every day 'out', you gain a day 'in', up to a 90 day limit. So you can go to Ukraine for 30 days, come back to Poland for 30 days, etc etc.
OP Depox  
10 Sep 2011 /  #16
can't you just respect the rules? i thought that in this respect Chileans were more "civilized" than other South Americans...

sorry Bullfrog , what do u mean ?
an offense to immigrants?
Foreigner4  
10 Sep 2011 /  #17
No it is not legal to take a train ride to the Ukraine in order to get another 90 day-visa. Once you have been inside the Schengen Zone for 90 days in any 180 day period, you must either have a valid residency permit or leave the zone and stay out for 90 days.

Yet that's exactly what I did (ok not exactly but practically) when my permit expired...I told the UK border control why I was entering their borders for 2 days and the same with the Poles. I told them this was the policy as was explained to me through the Sląski Voivod. This was a few months ago btw.

But...to the op- give your head a shake. Go back home or somewhere else and make some cash for 3 months. Enjoy the break and then you'll enjoy your g.f. and Poland that much more. It's 3 months ffs, don't be such a p*ssy.
delphiandomine  
10 Sep 2011 /  #18
I told them this was the policy as was explained to me through the Sląski Voivod.

And this - is actually completely wrong. I don't know why some of them are interpreting the law in such a way - they have the power to extend your residency, so there's absolutely no need to cross any borders at all.

One of those Polish mysteries, I guess.
scottie1113  
10 Sep 2011 /  #19
Not on topic, but a question for OWELL, Is there some reason why you haven't registered yet?

An American friend of mine went to Ukraine a couple of months ago to renew his visa. It worked for him, but I wouldn't want to have to do this. I prefer to play by the rules when it comes to dealing with the system.
delphiandomine  
10 Sep 2011 /  #20
The problem is that Americans are fixated on the 'stamp' as being some sort of entitlement. The truth is that the stamp (as clearly outlined in the Schengen Borders Code) is merely for informational purposes and does not imply the existence of any sort of visa. So - even if you get back in, there's no guarantee that you won't be caught at any time. Once you're over the 90 days, you're over - regardless of what stamps are in your passport.

Not on topic, but a question for OWELL, Is there some reason why you haven't registered yet?

Deepak's a lunatic who probably doesn't have an e-mail address to register with ;)
OWELL  
10 Sep 2011 /  #21
cuz, to begin with I was banned here cpl years ago and then I felt one of the moderators emailed me in a very offensive manner to give my password....honestly if I had the time I would and could will sue so I change names and post here as just to kill time when I have above all I don't take this forum seriously as lots of people are favourites here with moderators which don't bother me but again I will not register with this forum ....BAN ME AGAIN!

Deepak's a lunatic who probably doesn't have an e-mail address to register with ;)

see you unsucessfull in your own country and try to live a cheap high life in poland who will react to comments like that.Seriously try something better then helping immigrants from east or duds* from uk who know crap about life

I can tell you where to cross. But I can't promise you that you won't get caught - the Soviet-era border zone is still intact in Ukraine, Belarus and Russia for a start.

Can you please tell us where to cross?
delphiandomine  
10 Sep 2011 /  #22
Many places. But, just for kicks, I'll tell you about one border crossing that's on a road the whole way.

maps.google.com/?ll=49.051905,22.710457&spn=0.007439,0.019248&t =m&z=16&vpsrc=6

Easily accessible - bus from Krakow to Sanok, then Sanok-Ustrzyki Gorne, then minibus from Ustrzyki to Wolosate. Walk from Wolosate into the national park, then take the first road on the right after a couple of kilometres. Walk a bit more (about 200m) - you'll come to a barrier about 10m short of the actual borderline. The barrier is just a normal road barrier and can be ducked under/walked around.

No watchtowers there, nor are there any guard posts. It's not far to the village of "Lubyna" in Ukraine, too. Bear in mind that it's within the Ukrainian "zona kordona".
OWELL  
10 Sep 2011 /  #23
whats that? zone of Ukraine?
delphiandomine  
10 Sep 2011 /  #24
Control zone. Essentially, the Soviet era had a system where the actual borderline wasn't heavily protected (well, apart from barbed wire) - but there was a border zone in which you couldn't enter/live without permission. That second line tended to be quite secure, and could reach quite far into the territory. Ukraine dropped this, but chose to reintroduce it a few years ago.
udarkness  
31 Aug 2012 /  #25
How did you solve your problem?? I'm in a really similar situation now. Depox
Canadia  
20 Oct 2012 /  #26
Merged: Is it possible to extend your stay while in Poland?

I'm planning on travelling to gliwice in the start of the new year, and I wonder if it is possible to apply for visas while in poland? I am not a EU citizen, and I would be going initially based on the 90 day allowed travel rule.
delphiandomine  
20 Oct 2012 /  #27
Yes, but you must apply for the residence permit - you've got 45 days to apply, although there are reports that you can apply at any moment up to the 90 day limit and receive a visa extension while your application is under consideration.

Worth pointing out that residence permits require a reason - you can't just stay longer because you feel like it.
Canadia  
20 Oct 2012 /  #28
What kind of activities would qualify as a reason? work, studying, rental agreement? any or all of those? or even possibly friends or relatives?

And as i understand it you could potentially apply at the last day of the 90 limit and receive and extension for at least the duration of the applicant consideration? that would be a interesting loophole :D
delphiandomine  
20 Oct 2012 /  #29
What kind of activities would qualify as a reason?

Work (real work - it won't be enough to work 4 hours a week) or studying (but you'd need to have all the paperwork sorted before applying - unlikely in 90 days) - or on the basis of marriage to an EU citizen. Worth pointing out that working also requires you to be in possession of a valid work permit for each job.

And as i understand it you could potentially apply at the last day of the 90 limit and receive and extension for at least the duration of the applicant consideration? that would be a interesting loophole :D

In theory, yes. But if they refuse to grant the visa extension (which isn't in law anywhere - it's at their discretion) - you'd have to leave at 90 days. The only way to guarantee that you'll get a decision is to apply before the 45th day in the Schengen zone.

And just so you know - getting caught over 90 days is an instant 1 year ban from the entire Schengen zone.
Harry  
20 Oct 2012 /  #30
or even possibly friends or relatives?

That is possible but you need guaranteed funds coming in every month and a guaranteed place to stay.

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