Unwanted pregnancy in Poland - threats, rights

Anybody we know by chance ?


You can bet on that as they will garnish it right out of your paycheck or bank account and you will have no say about it.

Don't you have to give your pixel number to be employed in Poland ?
You can run but you can't hide in this day and age of computers.

Pesel...though pixels might work here. Seriously, all this talk about "abortion is illegal in Poland" is irritating. So is driving at twice the speed limit, but people still do it. Especially those who are big enough that the law seemingly doesn't apply to them.

The OP is going to have his life altered through some draconian law, where the girl wants to keep the baby, even though it will never know its father.

It's the woman who's off her head, not the poster.

Do you know any country in which the father can force the mother to have an abortion if she doesn't want one?

I'm sorry if you were of the opinion that I suggested such a thing. But if two people were in a relationship and were in agreement, as would be the perfect case in a utopian society, then the father would pay for the child's upkeep.

As it is, in this day of social security and social mobility, the state provides, and (because of the nature of Polands' catholic backward society) the extended family should dip in to help one would suppose. That's what the Irish used to do, and I had first hand experience of that. One of my gf's TEN sisters was in the same situation as this girl, and everybody chipped in.

There is no reason for the OP to be financially crucified until the nipper is 21 - and if such were indeed the case , that may go some way to explain why so many children are born into poverty in this country. As in, the girl possibly planned it to be so.

All the abortion talk is bs without asking the kid. Maybe he or she would say, just let me out and I will be fine with any adoptive parents. Or even homeless. Just keep that as*hole with his sharp tools away from me. Please...

That's my point though. Who is going to pay for the kid? If you create a state where abortion is "illegal" then the state should write out the cheque. Otherwise it's a dictatorship. In this catholic world, often nobody pays, and the unwanted child has a miserable start in life, even though the girl "wanted" it. Only in relatively few cases do we learn a "wonderful" propaganda story about how IT whizz-kid Janusz, aged 23, has helped rebuild an orphanage where he spent ten years of his childhood, but through hard work and innate talent, now employs 200 programmers.

What about all of the rest of the kids? Madness. And all the fault of the church and their mind games and threats. But what can you do with the brainwashed masses?

Even if it were legal then she still wants the baby Doug.

There is nothing draconian about making the father pay - He was suspicious and he had lots of other options - condoms, absitence or getting off at Wschodnia. He knows where babies come from.

Yes, yes - there is the old saying - very apt in this case, that "You've made your bed, now lie in it.."
But....if it were such that every man or boy who falls in love were to be put through the mill for an unwanted pregnancy, then what we would actually have is the exact opposite of the much politicised "family values" approach, where the romance is carried out under the eyes of the community, and there are nods and smiles all round (under the general assumption that the altar beckons in due course)

Instead we would get all types of Dicks and Harrys, refusing to be straight about themselves, just as the old days....
Oh wait! Poland is back in the 'Old Days', and to my mind it's ridiculous, and unworkable to hold the OP to account in the light of his story (and it is only his version of events)- unless promises were made and family can attest to same.

Here is your answer. Quoting:

Some sources estimate that there are about 2 million couples currently waiting to adopt in the United States - which means there are as many as 36 waiting families for every one child who is placed for adoption.

Those couple are so desperate that they go to Russia to adopt three-year-old kids with severe mental problems from lack of proper care and bonding. They would jump at the opportunity to adopt a brand new and undamaged baby in Poland. The expense of that process pales in comparison to the IVF if that were a viable option.

The Poles don't ship their babies off anymore Rich - if they ever did. Children are not put up for adoption overseas. These new draconian abortion laws are designed to do just that - raise the population. A growing percentage of which will be unwanted and unloved children.

So wrong.

There's more. There's many a fine couple in their 70s, quite shaky on their feet, bringing up their grandchildren, mostly on their own. Struggling down the street with the shopping bags and the Kinder Surprise chocolate bars Where's the state support for them? I don't see the funds, the play centres, the mini-buses to transport them. All I see is state and church exploitation of an ageing population. Grandma will look after the child.

So VERY wrong.

Seriously. Let me understand it...A woman gets pregnant. The guy is unknown, dead, gone, in prison, or flat broke. She cannot get abortion under Polish rules. An American couple, swimming is cash and ready to pay every single expense, is begging for the kid and the Polish as*hole government says nyet because it wants the head count to go up. Did I get it right?

Another question. Can she while still pregnant go to Germany, meet the Americans there, deliver, and sign over the kid? It's her body and her child after all.

Yup!

Helll no, if he is into recreational sex he should either get snipped or slip on a raincoat.
You play, you pay.


Same here in the U.S.A. Doug and you don't know how it infuriates my buddy that is paying child support to have his child raised by his ex mother in law (grandma) only to have his ex wife (money grubber) cash the support check at the local Casino every month while she is on full blown welfare that includes 100% of her health care, food and rent because of being a single mom.

This is exactly why prostitution should be legalized.

Then he should have put a rubber on. And you are just using it for your rant. All that b****t about abortion laws- not withstanding in this case, orphanaged etc. Not to mention showing hiw badly informed you are- there is nothing new about abortion laws in Poland.


Only in two first cases it matters. In the rest- he has to sign off as well. Plus I think every country puts regulations on adoption, especially to a different country.


Then why isn't he taking care of the child?

And prostitution is absolutely legal in Poland

Are you saying that if a guy gets one pregnant he is off the hook? Do prostitutes have their own insurance to cover pregnancy and beyond?

Are you saying you would have unprotected sex with a prostitute ?

There is no such thing as unprotected sex. Just like an unloaded gun. So, no, I wouldn't with anybody.

I am perfectly well informed thanks. Do you want me to quote the Polish abortion laws?
It was not a rant but an opinion. You might be au fait with this medieval governments' policies on abortion, but millions of women are not. My family two for starters.

Poland has the same abortion law for over 20 years so either you are not well informed or you can't express yourself properly- you choose.

And it is a rant as abortion laws are not really relevant here- the girl doesn't want one.

Then she can obviously afford to bring up the baby can't she? Two people make that decision usually.
Abortion was not illegal when I first came here and obviously you are right. I am living in the past - one of the very very few things that were more sensible in the past.

You forgot to mention the furore and embarrassment girls have to suffer for obtaining the morning after pill.
A backward country. Not a rant. An opinion.

They can't agree. Happens. In my opinion if two adults have sex they have to accept there might be a pregnancy and I don't take too kindly to people who seem to run away as soon as that happens. Especially since this guy doesn't seem to be in a bad place ( you know, drug addict or living in the slums with no future). I am pro choice mostly because I think it's often better than bringing an unwanted baby to this world. Here she is prepared to go through the trouble so that side wins. If it was possible for the guy to carry the baby and he decided to raise it I would put women to the same standard.

But he was under the impression that she was taking the pill, when in fact he suggests she wasn't. The age old story. Dunno what happens in such a case in other countries, but why oh why does Poland always have to make itself out to be so different? When the estimated abortion statistics show that it is all just rank hypocrisy?

Well, for one we have only his words for what happened.
If I was suspicious I would take precautions. Wouldn't you? And a simple fact that someone may forget to take a pill? Or have indigestion?


How can you say Poland is so different if you admit you don't know how it works in other countries? Something cannot be different without data on other cases

And again- abortion laws have nothing to do with the described situation.

But they do. If Poland was more in line with other European countries on abortion law, the girl would be more likely to think she has a choice. Instead of likely thinking "Oh well, that's it then" if she didn't plan this on purpose. Lots of people go down the illegal route, but an abortion is a difficult enough decision without being forced to live like that. Far too many holier than thou people obviously think it's a walk in the park and that people willy nilly decide to be selfish. But as you said you are pro-choice I will stop babbling, other than the fact that (other) Poles obviously cannot see anything hypocritical as per modern realities in their support for the churches' teachings

That's their prerogative, but this chap, who is pretty up front and honest, doesn't want to be a father. Maybe he can reach a compromise with the family of some sort and then forget about it. I don't for the life of me understand why he should be hoisted by his own petard.

Especially when the Polish legal system doesn't really give a toss for the rights of the foreign father when he actually WANTS to see his child against the wishes of the mother....

So is murder. Should we just abolish all laws because there are people who still act in defiance of them. hint they are called criminals more oft than not. Do you even know what logic is?

Yes. let s kill all the less worthy and you will be defining standards by which they should be judged as less worthy. In your dream you totalitarian a-hole! The level of ego...


That a very acute observation skills in action. Good on you. I have never thought about it that way but you are right. Kudos to you.


Because of some restriction in regards to abortion? Nah, you got it wrong. It is a actually the other way around. Countries with liberal laws regarding abortions' are regressing to barbarism and tyranny, the next step a totalitarians state tell you what to think and what moral, what immoral - this week.

First they make killing children legal, then make an institution of marriage and religion a joke, after that they'll take your guns, before you know that they will chip you and make a good pet as long as you are useful.

Doug before you Hitler imposed very liberal abortion laws in The Nazi occupied Poland. You're in a good company.