Lawyer familiar with EU law needed (to sue my employer in Poland)

Getting a little touchy, aren't we?

One can in fact be an "EU citizen", meaning a citizen of an EU country, so leave us not keep splitting hairs.

Except there is. Article 20, Treaty of Lisbon. Do try harder.


I think it'll be such fun to take advantage of the Polish legal system.

Loopholes abound just about everywhere, don't they:-)

@OP,if its an American based company and has head office in the USA,you can get a lawyer on contingency basis and the sue the company here.Also you will find out what value does your case have.Usually the fee is 60% for them and 40 for you incase you don't have to pay court costs etc.If any lawyer takes the case provided he smells money then usually such cases are handled by corporation insurance lawyers.If the amount is not big and even has 25% chance to win it is usually settled in mediation,paid by insurance.

Why, is it me that is being 'sued'? :-)


I like to correct it on every single occasion that there's no such country as the EU. And that the "EU flag" is just a logo like a McDonalds flag for example.

If people get use to thinking about the EU as a real country it will be much easier for eurocrats to make it happen legally.

And the mystery guy with a mystery case is sitting somewhere and giggling...

Rich, there is no case, more like a cry for attention. A serious person would not search for a lawyer on a discussion forum.


Wait, so you don't want to see a justice in action but rather witness "taking advantage of the court"? Just when I started seeing a human face behind that mask of a troll...

Spike31, ck out Delph's post re:Lisbon and you'll find that "EU citizen" is perfectly acceptable.
Kindly don't correct my English and I won't correct your Polish. In both instances, it's a losing proposition:-)

To my credit, I was the first to see through the crap. I give my bulls*** detectors a tune-up at least once a week.

Yes, but since there's no such country as The EU, "EU citizen" is an empty word. Remember that, legally and practically speaking, your national citizenship ie. Polish or Hungarian always takes precedence over the virtual EU citizenship.


I tune it up with a regular dosage of BBC. No more than half an hour every few days, that would be lethal for my brain cells

Legally, one CAN say "I am an EU citizen from Germany or France..." or from whichever is the member state belonging to the European Union, period!

This is perfectly acceptable, both grammatically as well as historically, over which one can split hairs until the last strand has fallenLOL

Normal people wouldn't say that. This guy and his case are not normal, so just another abnormality.

I feel for you, Spike. Every country has its Pravda. We have CNN, you BBC. Wonder which one is worse.

You can do what you want, it doesn't change the fact that citizenship of the European Union exists. Still, if it was "just a logo", I wonder why the police went after those that burnt it in public.


Incorrect. National citizenship doesn't take precedent, the two exist simultaneously. You can call it "virtual" all you want, but the Treaty of Lisbon makes it crystal clear that it exists. It's why EU citizens have strong and protected rights in other EU countries, and more importantly, is the reason why there's nothing Poland can do about mass emigration to Poland by other EU citizens. Such a pleasure, especially when you have a hobby of posting jobs on African Facebook job pages for French speakers in Poland ;)


The Polish state is ever so kind as to offer significant protections for employees in labour courts, including the free use of sworn translators throughout the entire process and very affordable fees. Rather nice, really.

It's your 'meaningless' EU citizenship which allows you the freedom to live and work in London on the same terms as a British person. So it's certainly not an empty word for you.

Atch, I would be able to live and work in London anyway if I wanted too simply because of my skills and professional qualifications. Just like I was also offered a job in Norway which is not a member of the EU.

I picked Britain because of the weather. I know how it sounds :-D


Nope. That's just your "trollish" interpretation which has no legal binding in reality.

Anyway, why would you even apply for Polish citizenship since you had a Scottish "EU citizenship"? You don't believe in your own words yourself yet you want us to believe it? :-)

Article 20: "Citizenship of the Union shall be additional to and not replace national citizenship." That means that national citizenship does take precedence over the additional "EU citizenship".

That said, I think that the whole idea of EU "citizenship" is wrong and should be abolished once the conservative forces take the majority in the EU institutions. The whole Lisbon Treaty is a failed attempt at creating European federation and in my opinion it should be cancelled or at least deeply changed.

Not to mention that it was passed in an undemocratic manner when Ireland was forced to vote twice for it to pass.

"There would be uproar, outrage, widespread disgust at such elite disdain for the democratic process. Well, now you know how the Irish people must feel. In June this year, 53.4% of Irish voters rejected the Lisbon treaty, against 46.6% who supported it"

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/dec/13/eu-ireland-lisbon-treaty


And that's where the funny part starts. Police has tried to intimidate them and offered a 5000PLN reward to those who'll point a person who burned a flag. And since it's not a crime to burn meaningless "EU flag" the guy who burned it asked his friend to "snitch" on him and collect the reward.

And now the police have to legally pay him that reword. The money from the reward will go towards organizing the next year's Independence March.

Anybody can be offered a job anywhere in the world but what YOU have as an EU citizen is the right to relocate to any country in the EU or the EEA (of which Norway is a member). Once there, you can look for work. You don't need a job offer already secured in order to move there. You don't need permission to live there, nor do you need permission to work there. You have that legal right.


We were not forced to do anything. We voted 'no' the first time because there were grey areas in the Treaty which we, the people, were unsure of. The issues were mainly retaining our military neutrality and retaining control of our abortion laws. The text of the Treaty was changed to give us the guarantees and the matter was put to the vote a second time and the people of Ireland voted yes. In fact we were the only EU country where the Treaty was truly democratically passed as we were the only nation of Europe where the people voted to ratify it. That's because the constitution of Ireland cannot be changed without the consent of the Irish people - and that's democracy at work.

As expected a bunch of ignorants have turned this thread into a joke while playing with words.

Spike31 There's no such thing as "EU citizen".
You can feel citizen of Stalinistic Banana Republic yourself. Me I am a EU citizen.
I'm Polish and I'm temporarily living in London.
Personally I do not believe you.
At my office we tend to make fun of each others accents and so far nobody has filed the case against their coworkers because of "racism".

I dont pay a f@cking **** (?) But take care because if someone will do it, for a more serious reasons, you are screwed.
EU flag is just a logo like a McDonalds flag for example
McDonalds quality is your brain... of course for example.

Finally I see to much discussion about the cost of the lawsuit etc.

Dont worry guys, I became rich enough working in your country in the latest years. Looks like you didnt!

And now you wanna sue? That's not very grateful, you ingrate!

I apologize for being such an *******.
Hope God will forgive me one day.

No, you did.

A normal person would simply say: I live in the US and this is what happened. Can I sue? And, if so, how do I find a lawyer?

It could have been that simple.

No, it doesn't. Nowhere does it say that one is superior to the other. The two exist clearly side-by-side.

The beautiful thing is to change the Treaty of Lisbon, it requires unanimity from all member states. Somehow, I can't imagine France or Germany giving up EU citizenship just to please a few bald men from Poland.


Ireland wasn't forced at all. They were offered an improved deal, they took it. That's how negotiations work.

You are right and they are all wrong.
I just looked at my passport issued in August 2018. The page with the picture has this line: Obywatelstwo/Nationality/Nationalite and underneath POLSKIE/POLISH/POLONAISE.

Nothing about EU except that on the front cover there is this: UNIA EUROPEJSKA and RZECZPOSPOLITA POLSKA.

Read the Treaty of Lisbon, article 20.

@Rich Mazur The great exercise on a subject "which citizenship takes precedence" is Brexit.

British citizens has voted to leave the EU.

And nobody in the UK asked the EU "citizens" about their opinion on Brexit, not to mention to let them vote whether they would let the UK to leave the EU or not.

Only British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens who were residents in the UK were allowed to vote:
express.co.uk/news/politics/649517/EU-referendum-2016-Voting-Voters-Allowed-British-Irish-Commonwealth-Citizens-European

So this crucial matter regarding the membership of the EU was decided by British citizens.

A national [British in this case] citizenship has precedence over the EU "citizenship"

Quod erat demonstrandum

O P EU_citizen,

You've yet to tell us exactly which country you're from, much less living in.

It doesn't have any precedence, because the two confer different rights. However, just to show you otherwise, in the Scottish independence referendum, EU citizens were allowed to vote. Clearly British citizenship didn't give any additional rights there.

No matter how much you try and argue about this, the fact remains that EU citizenship exists and is used on a practical level daily, not least by the millions of EU citizens living in different member states to their own. Those numbers are growing, including those of us who actively encourage Muslims with EU citizenship to move to Poland just because it's funny ;)

I don't have to because I can read the only document that matters - my Polish passport.
If I were an EU citizen, parallel and equal to my Polish and the US citizenship, I could walk into an EU office somewhere to renounce my EU citizenship.

Where is that office? I would appreciate the address and the phone number.

EU is a contract. Period. A piece of paper or a file on some computer. Just as the UN and NAFTA. Under this contract the residents are given certain freedoms. NAFTA allows for free movement of goods and capital. EU allows people to move and work. The EU citizenship is a fake political move to create a greater illusion of belonging.

So, one more time: where can I go and renounce my EU citizenship without renouncing Polish? I know how to do with my US and Polish citizenship, so that should be an easy question to answer.


Just because it exists, it does not mean that it's not meaningless. A simple test: just remove Section 1 from Article 20 and change Section 2 as follows:

Now: 2. Citizens of the Union shall enjoy the rights and be subject to the duties provided for in the Treaties.
Changed: 2. Citizens of the member countries shall enjoy the rights and be subject to the duties provided for in the Treaties.

Poof, just like that the EU "citizenship" is gone and nothing has changed.

The facts that I can't renounce it is proof positive it's a feel-good fake.

Nation wrecking for sh1ts and giggles? I have nothing against educated, secularly oriented muslims in Poland (am friends with a number of them) and guess what, they don't want large numbers of their countrymen arriving any more than your average bald marcher does....

Lyzkom and Rich Mazur I do not need "help" by anyone like you.

Most of your comments are the words of a pathetic ignorant that has no idea how the world goes round. You are exactly the type of patriotic idi0t that will get insulted if someone wants to sue his country or anything coming from it, even the Dracula sucking his blood on daily basis. You have the "To jest moja Dracula k@rwa". This is the way of being racist in Poland! You do not even know what racism is.

I feel mercy for your education, by any means of education as well as your way of thinking...

And finally if I come from one of the 27 and half members of EU what kind of difference it makes. ZERO. Ignorants! You are ignorants politically, socially, scientifically anyway totally! Obviously I do not want to share my identity with a bunch of dickh$ads, like you, that think they are patriots, although they would easily lick the balls of some "stupid" English or French for 300 zloty payrise.. - gross :)

You will learn my identity the day you will see my face in the media winning the case or suing your country in case I lose.

Dobranoc!!

Who's the 'half' member? Which country is that?