Investors/Entrepreneurs.. Steer Clear of Poland.

Can't say it better than that.

Also : people never complain when things are going well.

you can't be in PL then.. Poles complain all the time and about everything. lol

[Moved from]: (Poland) got two years until investors get worried about its ability to repay Debt

I just received notice that Poland has about two years until investors get worried about its ability to repay their debt and a Greece-like crisis will happen. The problem is Polish debt outpacing Polish GDP growth.

yeah it will start be not funny in Poland within few next months...

No, it's never funny.

as I said:

I know! It's not going to funny.

hehe... that's funny...


in 2012 the world will end so that's OK anyway...

From my experience with Poles... they're all bureaucrats, but none are diplomats.

I guess that's where the environment influences them. No can do attitude...

There is an element of truth in that.


Things can be going well, but they could be going brilliant, if you didn't have to deal with the problems, polish people create out of thin air. Its like the lady in the post office, if I make him/her wait then I am important and my job is safe, if I am too efficient, then they will get rid of me: That is the mindset unfortunately.

I think nauczyciel has a lot of good points. My brother is running a business in Poland and he has the same kind of problems with people, no matter how much he pays. He ended up hiring Ukrainians, at least they are working better. But making a lot of promises and not showing up is the general problem with both nations.

nauczyciel's produce vendor was clearly dishonest. They both agreed to the price and quality of the goods. Defending the vendor is simply stupid. Polish people just are the happiest when they get to rip someone off, and I'm saying that also from my own experience with construction workers. First they agree to a price and how much and what they will do, then they realize, "that would actually be a fair deal, what's there for me?" and they cut corners.

I don't know about the Polish bureaucracy, but it must be outrageous given the fact that regular polish people come to the States and start and run successful businesses and they could never manage that in Poland. Though I think food industry has probably more restrictions than any other business.

BTW, what's the "October surprise"

who is everybody ?

Either the government is running the joint or business is running it. Poland is stuck with the former i fear.

Thanks, I've really enjoyed reading this from an outside point of view I can see where this all went terribly wrong instead of "nauczyciel" using a more diplomatic approach and asking for help from the other writers who seem to know how all these things are done in Poland, he did the one thing you never do, critise your host country.

What ever is said from then on in will always be clouded with defensive judgement. As someone who wants to do business in Poland as I see it as a good country to invest in for the future and like its people, the way this was handled by the Polish writers was very disappointing, criticism is heathy for business it keeps you on your toes and their is some big businesses who are licking their lips waiting until Poland is just ripe for the picking, I think mafketis said it best with Polish people _love_ complaining, unfortunately they mostly don't want to expend any effort to make things better themselves and they'd rather eat razorblades than agree with a foreigner's criticism of their country. Remember big business doesn't care, they just silently slip in and have the resources to find workers who will work for peanuts or not work at all.

(Remember 9zl is still better than 0zl, and the age old sayings if you going to to a job do it well, because that way you move up and not down, don't hate the players hate the game but don't complain, improve)

Beware of the sleeping giants they are there just hiding in the shadows waiting for the right moment!!

6zl an hour is very, very little money. 40 hours a week and you'd earn 240zl a month under 1000zl. Sod that. pay peanuts get monkeys.

I would rather mug a tourist, quicker, less hassle and a better earner.

I've been thinking of starting a business in Poland too. After reading this it makes me wonder if it is such a good idea after all.

You would want to be very careful, and certain about what you are doing.

In certain areas you could have an issue with extortion (Petrol stations, restaurants/pubs). In others bureaucracy.

Do a lot of research. I'm not saying don't, just speak to people who can accurately advise.