Germany and Austria to fully open their labor market to Poles in 2011. Economic growth?

If people want to work, they can move to those cities. It's pretty simple.


Their grasp of English is just fine. It's certainly superior (among new graduates) than many other comparable countries.


Then they're probably not claiming benefits.


The UK case shows us that it's mostly idiots complaining about Poles. Sensible people (such as business owners) saw that Poles were providing good, cheap, hassle free labour. And frankly - who cares about a few morons on a council estate? They certainly priced themselves out of the market - and many of them would rather sit at home drinking Stella and watching Sky anyway. In fact - if you look at it, it simply didn't make sense for many of them to work anyway - the whole benefits system encourages low earners to stay unemployed.


You'd see exactly the same situation - people who would take advantage and start businesses to take advantage of the cheap labour, while the morons would sit at home crying about how it's not fair. Right now, it's the Government that stops them working - tomorrow, it'll be Ukrainians. You only need to look at how people behave in inbred villages in Poland - they'll sit around whining and drinking, but they won't bother to move to the big cities to take up the jobs that need doing.

Same old pattern throughout Europe - the only people who complain about EU immigrants are the ones who will complain anyway.

I thought more about the german-americans! ;)


Grumpy Germany has had polish influx for centuries now....a whole huge part of our society is of assimilated polish-heritage....just think about all the "-ski's" in millions of peoples surnames.

So Germany can't be that bad, never has been....so the newcomers will survive! ;)

PS: But you can call me Bratwurst, no "Mr." needed :)

Hitler would be proud. That was obsession of his life

Exactly, " not fair ". eg. British welders were earning 15 pounds an hour until migrants turned up and started working for 7 pounds. Workers who paid their dues 20-30 years suddenly found themselves stabbed in the back.

As for


Mainly existing businesses who could now exploit the labour market, NOT those starting businesses.

If this sort of trend was to hit Poland, would you work for 5 zlotys an hour delph ?
I don,t think so.


Nice sentiment " inbred villages " Sir Delph. lol
So would you employ an " inbred " farmer to work in your office ?
That,ll be the day !!

this is class warfare that is going on around the world, war against middle class, the story is repeating it self around the world the corporations bring cheap labor to drive down wages and get rid of unions and governments that supposed protect people are bought off by corporations all in the name of more profit but that backward thinking will bring instability to all countries as tensions will rise from unemployment and under employment.

Welders have been saying that for years. Huge wages until the early 80s. Then huge wages until the 90s, then huge wages until the Poles turned up. The truth may be more prosaic.


Yes, but if anything against the working class; people like welders.

Opening borders will surely lead to economic growth .....how can it not?
(unless all the Poles leave and migrate to those countries like the out-flux to the UK in recent years)
Besides, travel in other countries and experiencing other cultures is usually a mind-broadening experience.....for most people.

lols,bless,so turning up and getting free health care without any prior contributions to NI is not counted as a benifit in your eyes....I see Brits in Poland have to pay for medical care,why the fek shouldnt Poles in the UK be made to pay?

Poland's outflow of workers to Germany, connected with opening of the German labor market for Poles as of May 1, 2011, may amount to 300-400k persons within three years to come, deputy Labor Minister Marek Bucior said on Thursday

Ah, I was only thinking in pure cash terms.

Yes, you're right. This was an utter joke that the UK completely failed to do even basic checks on people's entitlement to care - while I don't advocate a Polish style insurance system - but it would make sense to, at the very least, require people to prove that they've been paying NI when using the system.

(for that matter : one of the worst scams going is where non-EU citizens come to the UK to give birth, get a big bill - and they leave with the bill unpaid. I'd be a great fan of seeing such people refused permission to leave until the debts are paid - or at the very least, be barred from future entry until the bills are paid)

Nope,its plain fact jonni. 15 years ago round here when I worked in a warehouse while studying i was on £14.oo an hour,now warehouse wages post 04 are down to minimum wage.....the influx of immigrants has destroyed any progress made around here in the 90s,utterly blown it apart. I dont hate people for coming here,the people I hate are the arrogent bastards that label anyone who doesnt own a bussness as some sub human peasant chav.....come the fekking revoloution i'll be glad to deliver the 21 gramme neck pill to cnuts like them. ;)

It's all possible after EU expansion twice more Poles left than the government expected and 10x more than the UK expected to get. IF these 300 or 400K people can't find a better life in Poland maybe they should leave, I just wouldn't want to see growing resentment from Germans towards Poles, like in the UK or Ireland ( although I've got many friends who moved to Ireland and not a single one's complaining).

Normally its after the second wave, when the tales arrive home of the streets paved with gold, that the scum depart in search of a easier existence, lets just call them the " sub existence dwellers"


Thats a fair point. Read Wroclaw boys comments, about going back to the UK and not being able to get a dinar for him or his family and he has previously paid into the system. So there seems to be one rule for some and a lesser one for the ones holding the subject passport.

True the well educated people seeking careers come first then the lower classes, most of whom are hard working and just want to have a better life it's those few bad apples who ruin everything.

Supposedly Germany has a 400-800K labor shortage.

I don't think Germany wants more Turks or Africans who don't look anything like Germans and don't want to assimilate, Merkel said it herself multi-culturalism failed!!! Countries like France, UK have problems with these non Europeans.

edited to get back on topic

They try now some sort of positive selection, but we had actually that ind of experiment under the last SPD government for IT experts from India and Pakistan, giving them "green cards". Not a big success though.


Just look at the German football national team. ;)


They still carry the load of their ex colonies...

I have the suspicion that Germany will take the opportunity to replace Turks with Poles.They will find some legal way to do it.
Now we are all dependent on Germany for growth.It is the sh1tty situation the politicians and their supporters have brought us to.If they find a way to introduce the german whip as a method of discipline in mediteranean countries I will be the first to comply.As it is they drive us to abyss full speed.

Maybe forcing them to renounce their Turkish citizenship or leave, Turkey isn't an EU country no laws ban that.
"Rising demand in Germany, fueled by sales to faster-growing economies including China, boosts orders for Polish companies, which supply components to German exporters. Employers increased hiring by 3.8 percent in January from a year earlier, the fastest annual growth since September 2008.

The actual outflow may be 200,000 mostly unqualified workers over the next three years because the German labor market "has already been opened to quite a large extent," Deputy Labor Minister Marek Bucior said in a letter today to Polish lawmakers.

Three years ago, Germany relaxed entry requirements for engineers and other skilled specialists, "which hasn't led to any negative trends on the Polish labor market," Bucior said.

Companies in Germany plan to hire as many as 300,000 workers this year, according to a survey of 28,000 firms by the DIHK industry and trade chambers group last month. Machine and electrical companies may add 80,000 jobs, the DIHK said."

bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-02/polish-exodus-to-germany-may-spark-rate-rise-22-years-after-berlin-wall.html

Let's hope there is some consistancy in that, otherwise we are screwed...
The German politicians wanted that, though talking different. That's the modern imperialism Made in Germany. ;)

don't think they will take Turks again...I live in west part of Germany and hostility towards Turks is enormous.
Word "Türke" (Turk in German) is equivalent to a swearword.

besides, with this ridicoulousy low wages they offering for qualified workers nobody will be eager to come here...Plus the employment requirements are (among others) fluency in German and preferably in English too. Not very tempting in my opinion....German job market is neither flexible nor international.