DELL shifting ops from Ire to PL

good news for PL i say:

This is fantastic news for Poland and tragic news for Ireland. I am conflicted whether or not I should be happy or sad.

no gloating please.

to where in poland are they moving the work?

£ódź. There's already a factory of Dell.

i wonder if they will give the option of relocating to some of the workers in limerick.

Hmmmm.....

I wonder if they need any native English speakers for some reason or another....

LOL

I can hope.

you fancy moving to lodz?

Maybe some from the top managment. For the rest It wouldn't make sense as they would be better living on benefits in IE. There's a reason why they are moving production to PL and let's be honest, that's not lower yearly rainfall.

very true.

Yes, Dell has been in Ireland for 16 yrs, its just the end of this part of the economic cycle, the Irish priced themselves out of the market and at the worst possible time....a global recession .....nothing new there!

The wages lost to Limerick/Irish economy directly is around E140 millions.

It would be interesting to know what the wages are at the new Polish plants?

Just remember Dell will remain in Poland until they move to the next new EU low cost base....you have been warned, enjoy the work whilst you can!

Remember......all is fair in love and war.......and business too!!!

paying 3euro a hr irish employers have been to fire poles and hire irish

Im not too sure that the workers will feel the same. Most will probabaly have to sell their homes etc now. Maybe they would be better off moving to work with Dell in Poland.


I dont know the full story but I heard that there is an investigation taking place into an alleged pay off to Dell from Polish Governement. I dont know how true this is.

My accounting lecuturer was also an accountant for Dell, 3 years ago he went to Poland to do some work over there. At that time Polish workers were being paid 4 times less than Irish workers but I guess its all relative, its probabaly costs 4 times as much to live in Ireland.

I just heard on a podcast that Dell is try to save $4bln by mostly outsourcing from the US.

seekingalpha.com/article/123174-dell-aims-to-cut-4-billion-in-expenses-by-2011

It seems £ódź has another reason why it is set to boom in the next few years.

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Dell moves factory to Poland

What do you think?Time to buy Slavic made computers?I suppose they will be top.

Care to provide a link? This seems like old news, that has been covered before.

They will be the same as Dell all over the world so shut up

We churn out over 1million car engines for Toyota and others per year so Dell will not be a big problem either :-)

Since Dell is now made by slavic hands I suppose this should be the next computer for Crow.

indymedia.ie/article/94179?userlanguage=ga&save_prefs=true

Former MEP Patricia McKenna has hit out at the EU Commission over its approval to allow the Polish government to grant €54.5 million in aid to Dell to move its operations from Ireland to Poland. McKenna said, this decision by the European Commission is a slap in the face to Irish workers and exposes the EU's hypocrisy and disregard for Irish jobs.

And yet again, we see why Poland should never, ever have been allowed to join the EU at that time.

The only countries that should have been allowed accession between 2004 and now were Slovenia and Estonia.

Poland wanted to and Germans supported it, saying no EU expansion without Poland, their overwhelming influence in the EU proved decisive.

The thing is, Delph, there is a range of criteria applied to deciding upon ratification and accession. Accession discussions can take a very long time indeed and are multi-faceted. The only real difference I could see then was that Estonia was largely bureaucracy free which makes direct application and direct effect of EU Law that much easier. Poland? Well, hehehe.

Dell is a private firm that can move operations if it so chooses. As long as they don't trangress any legal boundaries, what's the problem?

Exactly a private American firm

Besides, businesses like Dell aren't looking for a pat on the back. They go to where they perceive profits can be accrued. Don't blame the Poles, blame the Jewish bankers and the Irish government for overextending.

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8fc_A47_4is

It's not a legal problem, it's an ethical one. It seems a bit shady that EU money brought Dell to Ireland, and then €54.5m of EU funds was used to move bring the plant to Poland. I'm not sure that's how it was all supposed to work... The Irish workers at the Dell plant effectively paid to lose their jobs. Once the candy runs out in Poland, Dell will of course move on.

Business and ethics are not happy bedfellows, convex. I could give numerous lectures on what I learned in my first uni course and how it vastly differs in practice. We all throw good money after bad and are often not aware of it. The problem is, there are no courts which expressly rule on ethics.

Yup, that's essentially it. I've got a book which quotes quite a few leading Germans at the time as saying that they would block any expansion if Poland wasn't included. Very hypocritical when they have kept work permits up until the last possible day, though!

But it was almost certainly a mistake - the difference in the cost of labour is astronomical.

Lets not forget the money is,European tax payers money.

yes Slovenia and Estonia would have been a thrilling export market of about 150 people.

The accession process is a two way street - German's can not compete with Polish wages but on the other hand Poland is a key export market for the Germans (and French and British etc) and EU firms they have also acquired plenty of good assets here relatively cheap.