Polish Cop Took My Car Registration :S

uhhh where is the url to back this up, a$$hole??

(and yes i'm genuinely interested in this story)

Google for 'sick british citizens deported from poland' and you will see. Mostly neo-nazi stuff...

Of course, let's look at this another way... probably if it was a polish citizen in canada who couldn't speak canadian, the cops would've tazered him.

Stormfront and bnp ... so that is where harry gets his information regarding poland.

You are trying hard to go native, aren't you? You can't attack the accuracy of the message so instead you attack the messenger. How very Polish.


I agree entirely. I'd just like to see a bit of reciprocity. Or at least to not hear so much "You're in Poland so you have to learn Polish".


What was I saying about Poles (and plastic Poles) who are unable to attack the accuracy of messages? Oh yes, it was that they are f*cktards. I first read about the story here: pbn.home.pl. Then I went and read it on the Daily Mail site. But I'm not surprised that you preferred to read about on the kind of racist websites that you usually enjoy.

Oh come on, be realistic... it's not like they can even put up signs in Polish sometimes. I mean, I drive from Olsztyn to warsaw for about 3.5 hours to go to the airport. The only sign for the airport is about 1km from the place.

Another time I tried to find the national Library... no signs, just guessed the big building over there looked like a library.

Still can't find any instances of a British person being deported due to illness.

Most countries have the exact same laws (Germany and France do, in addition to the countries mentioned in the article), and I'm sure that if you look at grounds for deportation in the UK, you will find "Safety of the Public".

Really? Can you then perhaps explain why it says


dailymail.co.uk/news/article-438287/Poles-warn-Well-deport-Britons-fall-ill.html


Fine. So how about they have some of the official information leaflets in English then? Here is some of the stuff available in Polish from the last British council I paid council tax to:

A Guide to Driving Safely for European Drivers Living in the UK - Polish
Domestic Abuse - Polish
Family Information Service Leaflet translated into Polish
Information about services in Gloucestershire in local community languages - Polish

That is one council in a mainly rural area. The one in the nearest big city has many more, including files in spoken Polish for Poles who can't read!

Harry don't you learn? Poles can't take criticism at all, If they could they would listen to constructive advice and bring their country out of the dark ages. But they are always right and have to go on the defensive all the time blaming others for their misfortune or trying to find someone to blame when things go wrong. This occurs on a national level and on a social level and as a nation they only pretend to listen when they are being offered EU handouts of some description and then ignore all advice when it comes down to it.

Maybe if they took advice from other nations they would have a fantastic road network, Dynamic cities and it would be generally a fantastic place to be.

I personally can't wait for 2012 when they get the European cup taken away due to not having the infrastructure to support such an event It will also be interesting to see who's to blame for that :) Will it be the Germans, the French or even the Chinese? I know it certainly won't be Poland.

Well, the default position of Poles is to blame the Jews and then to blame the British. Perhaps the excuse here will be that if so many Poles hadn't moved to the UK to earn much better money (which was being paid to them by Jews), Poland would have been ready for 2012 and thus everything is the fault of the British and Jews.

What's wrong with expecting long term residents to learn Polish?

And I repeat, some government posturing (regretable as it may be) from over two years ago is not germaine to this discussion. Especially since, as you apparently now admit, it has never actually been acted on and there is no legislative basis to act upon it.

Why do you have to make up arguments?

What do poles define as long term? I had that after a few weeks here.

I don't know how Poles define it, I think of it as any stay that's measured in months or years. After a few weeks you should be starting to learn. I've known foreigners who've become competent in everyday (more than everyday survival) Polish in 6 months or so (not devoting their whole time to it either). The endings were often mangled, but it was understandable and functional.

If you give it an honest effort it's not as difficult as its reputation suggests.

Fair comment really but I have friends who have lived in Germany and Sweden and nobody has put pressure on them to learn German or Swedish , I wonder why its different in Poland?

I don't know about that. IME Germans expect residents to learn German, period. I knew someone who learned more German in 2 years in Berlin than in 5 in Poland, and he said that was because he had to, he got more language support in Poland than in Germany.

Also, IME Scandinavians expect long term residents to learn the local language and don't like those who don't. They might all speak English, but they do tht for their own reasons (which don't include relieving long term residents of the necessity to learn the local language).

Someone who's been stationed by an English speaking company and who socializes only with the expat crowd and co-workers might not find much pressure to assimilate, but who wants to live like that?

Wooow, after reading this thread I'm not surprised that the French are often kiling with the look or pretend to not to understand English... Few meetings with some of the characters from this thread in real life, and one has to wonder if it was worth to learn English.

In the same paragraph:


Immigration law in the UK allows for removal due to public health. EU law (Freedom of Mobility) provides for removal due to public health.

But in all honesty here, are you really that big of a fan of immigration and open borders, or are you just bitter because the UK government screwed the pooch on allowing unchecked immigration?


Yea, and the roads here are so much better here than in Germany. I don't believe this for a minute. There are so many free avenues for learning German in Germany, where did you friend learn at in Poland? That's one of the big things in my opinion that is missing here, there is no formal system to help one integrate into Polish society.

I was being ironic, Harry. My point being, in Warsaw they can't even signpost their own city using Polish signs.

Don't forget, there are also documents in Chinese, Urdu, Bengali etc


Ah, the trick with the French is to either speak French well or very badly. all the French want is a sign that you respect their being French and not automatically assuming they can/should parle en Anglais. If you attempt and speak really bad French they will often suggest English, partly out of gratitude that you tried, but also because your French is hrting their ears.

Back to the old 'can't deal with the facts so attack the messenger' line eh? Yawn. You can call it 'made up', other people will read the words of a Polish government minister and consider whether you or he best represent the will of the Polish government.


Because neither Germans nor Swedes are as insecure as Poles.


I actually find (based on living just over the Swiss side of the CH-F border and visiting France pretty much every week) that the French are very tolerant of foreigners mangling their language: they tend to either smile and reply in fluent English or resort to 'speaking to a very small child' French. As long as you appear to be making some sort of effort, however tiny, they're OK. Poles don't do that.


I'm very much a fan of immigration and open borders. Open borders don't affect me as I've always had the skills needed to work where-ever I wanted to but I do like the effects of multi-culturalism.

huh? bizarre in what way?

Take away the Harryhype (registered trademark) and the facts are these:

- a couple of years ago, an official or two of the Polish government made some unfortunate comments about possible policy towards medical treatment of foreigners

- nothing happened, no legislation was passed and this policy was never acted on.

I can handle that just fine thank you, you're the one with his knickers in a twist about it.

Not completely related but....
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just what is the language "Canadian"?

oh...btw- it's "taser"

& can you clarify what these languages are: "Antigua and Barbuda, Australian, Bahamas Barbados Belizian Botswanan Brunein Cameroonian Canadian Dominica Ethiopian Fijiin Gambian Ghanan, Grenadan Guyanan Indian etc or are you refering to countries?

Can we get this thread back on track, or i will request it locked

Monday i had my car inspected (20zł) and got the inspection report for it being without tint. Today I went to city hall to get my registration back, and they said it was soo soon. The pokwitowanie said to come today. The clerk told me to come back on Friday as they don't have it. :S I asked the clerk if it is ok to drive with the inspection report and she said yes.

Talking to a friend of mine who is a Polish policeman- it turns out that after getting the pokwitowanie you are not to drive the car, but have it towed to an inspection facility, then towed somewhere until you get your registration back. I was told that 99% of ppl never follow that. But if i was caught without it, I could have my car impounded until I produce it. I'm playing with fire. ooooooh.

I also found out that tint is legal in PL, but you must have an ATEST for it showing that a certain amount of light can pass thru it & carry it in your car. Probably 35%, but i will find out and get it! :P Then the police don't have a leg to stand on.

Real smart: instead of just not drawing attention to your car, instead you plan to **** the police off. Guess you haven't learned that if a Polish traffic cop wants to find something legally wrong with your car, he will.

if its legal to have tint with an ATEST for it- then i will. Is it a problem for you? If it is- tough crap. Do my actions really impact you that much? Ohya.... i remember you had a mancrush on me a few months ago.

They wont find anything wrong with my car. It's only 1 year old, i keep it in perfect order, enough so to be racing in TOR Poznan last summer. I don't have to go for my next inspection until Oct 2011, so bite me. you'd probably like that.

Well, nauczycielu, you and Harry seem made for each other.

In related news, Polish functionaries are not necessarily aware of all the technical details of the regulations they enforce and are _really_ not likely to react well to you trying to tell them what the law is, especially if you're not able to do so in the right way (which includes but is not limited to: in Polish).

Do what you want, but unless your Polish and people skills are up to snuff (wild guess: they aren't) you're in for a bunch o' hassles. Even if you can eventually get out of them they're liable to take up more time than you'd like.

Good luck.

sonny why don;t you learn Polish ?
Maybe you could have some conversation with real people outside your close circle!
If you are living in the country and you don't know the lingo, all you can say is about your experience is limited and artificial!

Well, they could start with him not carrying valid identification. Then I'm sure they could find some arcane legislation to use to impound the car (just think : how much communist legislation exists that has never been repealed?) - and then find ways to put up bureaucratic hurdles to prevent him from getting the car back for a good while.

Beats me why someone without Polish citizenship and subject to immigration control would even attempt to make an enemy out of the police! I'm sure it's not rocket science for traffic police to know that they should pull his (self-admittedly unique) car at every opportunity.

I just hope he doesn't come crying on here when they make a fool out of him ;)

In Poland there is a plenty of nonsensical bureaucracy, that the way it is and with EU will not change for better!

your frustration useless, you either learn to live it as Poles do or die young age due to cardiac arrest !

I thought it was but wasn't sure if it had dual spelling.

Actually, the "canadian" language thing was a joke. Sorry if you didn't get it. I'll write to my family in Canada and tell them the joke fell flat.


Well it wasn't me who posted that list but let's see... now there's a point... many of these countries have more than one official language (like Gambia). Brunei's offical language is actually Standard Malay, Fijian is actually a language

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fijian_language
whereas a number of these places also have regional creoles (like Antigua). Cameroon has it's own pidgin and mix of French, English and pidgin

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camfranglais
in fact English AND French are the official languages and there are around 250 other languages in the country (probably why they use French and English as offical languages). The offical language of India is actually Hindi, which is just one of a variety of Indian languages (English is allowed by the constitution as a secondary official language). Ethiopia: Ahmaric. Barbadian could be used to describe the Bajan creole language, which is also a recognised language in Barbados

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajan

So actually not all of them have English as a sole official language.

However, none of these countries seem to have Polish as an official language but does that mean that Polish Police officers should speak Standard Malay, French, Hindi, Ahmaric, Pidgin/Creole etc?

I still haven't worked out what Australians speak.