Semsem 16 | 26 7 May 2010 / #1I read that each one is used in different ways with regards to the genitive. Anyone care to help me with understanding how each one is used?Also, I know a lot of verbs need the noun in genitive, but not all of them. Are there any rules on how to tell which verbs do and don't?
Lyzko 7 May 2010 / #2If your questions concerns 'z', resp. 'z(e)', this single preposition (also used sometimes as a perfective verb prefix!) can be both genitive or instrumental, naturally depending on the context-:) For instance:Jestem z Polski. = I am from Poland (genitive)Hiszpania razem z Polską jest największym kraju w EU. = Spain together with Poland is the largest country in the EU. (instrumental)On przybywał ze swoimi rodzicami. = He arrived with his parents. (instrumental)The 'zE' is written/spoken with a final 'e' in order to elide the vowel with the following sibilant 's'.
AdamKadmon 2 | 494 7 May 2010 / #3SemsemPWN dictionary:ze forma partykuły: z, używana najczęściej przed wyrazami zaczynającymi się od grupy spółgłosek: Dostaniesz za to ze dwa tysiące. Zatrudni ze trzydziestu mężczyzn.ze the form of the particle z, most often used before words beginning with consonants clasters, e.g.: Dostaniesz za to ze dwa tysiące. Zatrudni ze trzydziestu mężczyzn.So, the only reason for using it is to facilitate the pronounciation of otherwise unpronounceable clusters of consonants.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1589 7 May 2010 / #5Ze is only used when z would make a difficult combination with the first letters of the next word.They mean exactly the same, and behave the same grammatically.It's the same with w and we. To make the next word easier to pronounce.---------------------------------------------------Z (and ze) governs genitive when it means of and from. It governs instrumental when it means with.On jest z Polski. <---> He's from Poland. (gen.)Mieszkam z moim bratem. <---> I live with my brother. (instr.)
Lyzko 8 May 2010 / #6Indeed, almost verbatim what I posted above:-)Thanks though for the confirmation and sorry again for the silly typo LOL
catsoldier 54 | 574 27 Nov 2011 / #7How do you change stoły, plural for tables to genitve? What are the rules?Stół, singular changes to stołu. Nie ma stołu.
catsoldier 54 | 574 27 Nov 2011 / #9Thanks.When do you use z like woda z kranu and when do you use od like od krzesła?You also have z Krakowa, how are Kraków and kran alike and different from krzesła, is it just a pronunciation thing?Thanks.
cinek 2 | 347 21 Jun 2012 / #10Z(e) is used as: 'from inside of something' or 'off something'.Od means:- 'from something's proximity' or- 'from the direction of something' or- 'from someone's possesstion into other's possession'e.g.On przyjechał z Krakowa - he came from Kraków (he was in (inside) Kraków)on przyjechał od Krakowa - he came from the direction of Kraków (we dont' knoe where he was, but probably close to Kraków)zejdź ze stołu - get off the table (he is sitting on it)odejdź od stołu - get away of the table (he's standing next to it)Notice the preposition - prefix aggreement here: odejdź od, zejdź zeI hope this makes it a little bit easier.Cinek