Meaning of "w tern" in Polish

I don't know much Polish and am using Google Translate to try to get a general sense of an article about economics, written by Tadeusz Brzeski in 1936 ("O METODZIE W EKONOMJI")

repozytorium.amu.edu.pl/bitstream/10593/16857/1/2-014%20DR.%20TADEUSZ%20BRZESKI%20RPEiS%2016%282%29%2C%201936.pdf

I have run across the phrase "w tern" twice and have become curious about what it means. In one case, Google Translate says "in tern" which isn't too helpful! In the other case, I'm not sure which part of the translation corresponds to "w tern"! I've Googled it and found numerous uses, but can't find any consistent meaning that fits all of them. Here are the two uses in the article I'm reading, along with the translation from Google Translate:

1)
w tern też dopatrywać się można uzasadnienia wypowiadanej niejednokrotnie zasady "zdro­wego rozsądku", jako kryterjum zgodności z rzeczywistością lub po­woływania się na "pospolite doświadczenie" (gemeine Erfahrung u Wiesera), jako na metodę badania.

in tern you can also see the justification of the rule of "common sense" repeatedly, as a criterion of compliance with reality or after invoking the "common experience" (gemeine Erfahrung at Wieser), as a method of research.

2)
Uważamy to za zasadnicze założenie me­todyczne, idąc w tern w głównych zarysach za wzorem ekonomii klasycznej;

We consider this to be a fundamental cultural assumption, going in the main outlines following the model of classical economics;

"W tern" most likely derives from Russian and in Polish it basically means: "W tym" (so 'tern' = 'tym').

My guess: It's a scanning error and the original was 'w tem' probably an outdated variant of 'w tym'

or it might be an older way of writing 'wtem' (suddenly, unexpectedly) which may have been written separately at the time... (or by that author)

In other news, why are you using such an odd source to learn Polish, at a glance there is some very old fashioned (no longer standard) stuff there "w ekonomji" (modern 'w ekonomii' or "nietylko" (instead of nie tylko) or 'innemi' (instead of modern innymi)

There's plenty of more up to date sources...

For sure it is an outdated variant, the same case in:

There are many such variants in Polish, mhurwicz:-)

swej instead of swojej
poszlem rather than standard correct poszedlem

etc.

This is a gramatically incorrect form which should not be used at all.

I know and I try to avoid any form of slang, certainly in writing:-)

Thanks though.

It's not slang, it's a stable form that remains non-standard and unacceptable in formal usage, a very different case from the other examples.

Although I am learning some Polish in the process, and very glad of it, my real goal in this case is to get a general understanding of the article for a writing project I'm working on.

Good point, Maf!

What sort of writing project are you working on presently, mhurwicz? I see you read German. Are your trying perhaps to translate a German article into Polish?

I'm glad you asked! It gives me a chance to brag about my father, Leonid Hurwicz (leonidhurwicz.org), who won the Nobel Prize in economics in 2007. I am working on a book about his life. Tadeusz Brzeski was a professor at the University of Warsaw when my father was there (1934-38). So I was trying to understand this article to get some idea about Brzeski's approach to economics.


A little. But I use Google Translate fearlessly in all languages!

However, the German that is included above is just copied from Brzeski's article into the English translation, so no facility with the German language was required!.

Many thanks for your prompt reply, mhurwicz!
Did you perchance already receive my private PF message I sent the other day? No rush to respond.
:-)

Maf, Ziemowit - do either of you have any idea when this j was dropped from words such as "armija"? I'm trying to narrow it down, and it seems that those spellings fell out of favour after the war, but I can't find anything conclusive.

"W armiji" is what I would opt for.

I've heard, but I forget the details of when and where. I thing there was a big reform early in the interwar period (doing things like allowing popular forms like latami insteady of literary laty).

At one point there were competing standards (at least two, one in Warsaw? the other in Kraków?) and one reform was to harmonize them.

I wonder when tą żonę will be allowed in writing.

Lyzko w armiji isnt used its w armii. Its always been armia far as i can remember i.e. armia, z armii, w armii, etc.. never heard or seen armija, armiji etc. Also wojsko is used more frequently used than armia. Even sily zbrojne (armed forces) is more common now. Far as I know last time armia was officially used was the ak armia krajowa, druga armia wojskiego polskiego, etc.

I've seen 'w tern' in some books but never heard it used in speech. It seems like it's used similar to w tym.

I prefer armja (and the old ekonomja) on analogy with racja, misja etc.

Many people pronounce Dania (the country) and dania (plural of danie) slightly differently and the spelling Danja shows that in writing...

I've read that at one time fotografie! (vocative of fotograf) and fotografie (plural of fotografia) were distinguished by some people but unlike the previous example I've never met anyone who does....

I also think there are now two się's in the language that behave differently syntactically but I'm kind of alone on that one...

I suppose you mean 'armja'. The spelling was changed in 1936 when it was decided that:
wyrazy typu Maria pisze się przez i, z wyjątkiem po c, s, z (np. Francja, pasja, diecezja)


In fact, most people, if not all, make this difference in pronounciation. Formally, the spelling 'Danja' should still be kept, even if it is against the above rule, in my view.


You could never see 'w tern' [w t-e-r-n] in books, you could only read this as 'w tern' whereas in fact it was 'w tem' [w t-e-m].


What exactly do you have in mind ?

Not true. I.E.

see 1st paragraph on 2nd page

....bardziej umacnialo w tern przekonaniu

kalinowski.weebly.com/uploads/4/9/1/6/4916495/ukrainskie_szkoly_powszechne_w_rejowcu_i_wereszczach_duzych_1939.pdf

Technically, Maf, Dirk's right, it's "armia" cf. "Armia Krajowa".

You are unable to detect a typo in a text, aren't you?
[There are lots of other typos in this text, btw.]

Ditto, I'm afraid! Have to go along with Ziemowit as a native Polish speaker on that one.

I think it's not a typo, but I think the text was scanned (and confusing m and r + n is a common problem in scanning, like distinguising t and f (or t and ł in Polish)

Sometimes screen text print is too small for me as well, even with glasses:-)

From memory from the time I first kind of thought of this... the first is się more or less as traditionally described and there's.... sie (never nasalized always a clitic) which always follows the verb. I was originally taught that unstressed się can't be the last word in a sentence unless there's literally no other place for it, but a few years ago in a translation setting Polish speakers were consistently producing sentences ending in this unstressed sie (with lots of places elsewhere in the sentence for it...)

@Ziemowit

Look I've never heard w tern used in polish speech, but i have seen it used in old books and clearly it's not a typo

I.e.
books.google.com/books?id=xWlbBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT122&lpg=PT122&dq=w+tern+w+tym&source=bl&ots=Be_XRhYXNi&sig=0R2pLa-EfsjKFQJ1FaCpnBPl_1s&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1ypuIvazfAhUbo4MKHYHtBugQ6AEwC3oECAUQAQ

Litwie dla defektu w tern miejscu kroniki naszej nie możemy ...

Another example

books.google.com/books?id=VPEKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA82&lpg=PA82&dq=w+tern+w+tym&source=bl&ots=qMgzl94Aup&sig=Aw22RxwO4Cs-ZYzmUapyS3sa9lM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1ypuIvazfAhUbo4MKHYHtBugQ6AEwEHoECAMQAQ

Przezierając ongi listy WKM. niektóre do siebie pisane, nalazłem w tern pisaniu WKMości,

those look like tem's to me (the word search for those is visual not digital so rn and m can get confused...