Genealogy / Genealogy help with the surname Plis/Ples/Pless [31]

@Chemikiem

Yes, Latin! I don't know how this search could be made more complicated. I'm in luck though. I have a daughter who studied Latin for years and was one of few that actually enjoyed it. She might be up for the challenge. However, I hadn't considered the penmanship...everything she ever read was in type-set.

I hope we can decipher it.

Thanks again!

Genealogy / Genealogy help with the surname Plis/Ples/Pless [31]

@Chemikiem

Thanks for the good advice and counsel! I will definitely apply it!

When I get the church records, I will surely seek help here if I can't read them. The LDS source says I can order it, and it also says it's in LATIN. I was stressing over reading the Latin....and I hadn't even considered that the church leaders might have bad penmanship! This should be interesting.

Thanks again, Chemikiem.

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@Chemikiem

You're correct. I am doing too much at once. If I could focus on one person at a time, I could keep them all straight I think. But I haven't been. 2 branches of the family come from Poland and two from Lithuania and all the spellings! So I mixed up the Polish Karolina with the Lithuanian Karolina with a different last name. Sigh. All 4 branches of the family converged on the same area in Pennsylvania, all within about 10 or 12 years span of time. That entire generation on the chart came to the US from the "old country."

Last night I found Karolina Plis' marriage certificate and she would have had time to meet her husband there in Pennsylvania, so I was wrong. I need to go slower so I don't mix people up.

I found on Family Search yesterday a very good resource. I will have to order it from a Family Search Center at an LDS church. It is the church records for the Catholic church in Kupno. This is exactly what I need as it would show family connections and life cycle events. So my next step is to go that direction.

Thanks for your help! And I'm sorry about the misdirection. Too much coffee and too much searching in too many directions.

Genealogy / Genealogy help with the surname Plis/Ples/Pless [31]

Karolina (Caroline in the US) Plis, the daughter of M. Plis and Agnes Awaza was born in Kupno (5 miles from Kolbuszowa) in 1879. She immigrated by herself in 1899 to her brother Woj (whom I can't find, but can find other siblings) in Shenandoah PA. She married Michael Ciubinsky (or however it's spelled) in the US. They had a child in 1901.

Michael Ciubinsky was born Sept. 1878 (from Social Security death index) in Austria and died 6 April 1944. Parents are listed as UNKNOWN on his death certificate. His name was spelled Ciubinsky, Chubinsky, Cubinsky, Chiebinski.

I found Karolina coming to the US. But I haven't found her husband to be (Ciubinsky), nor did I find Woj., who is supposedly her brother. She had several brothers already there, so Woj is another mystery. I can't find him anywhere.

So the connection of Plis to Ciubinsky happened in the US. However, it was noted that several of the people from that same area ended up in this coal mining town. Often they knew one another but they usually traveled alone and married soon after. It would appear that Karolina Plis married Ciubinsky rather quickly after arriving since there was a child in early 1901. So there is a great possibility they knew each other from before their respective voyages.

Hence I'm trying to look for the Ciubinsky fellow in the Kolbuszowa area. The spellings have me frustrated.

@Chemikiem please see above.

Thanks in advance.

Genealogy / Genealogy help with the surname Plis/Ples/Pless [31]

In addition to what I said above...

Michal Kubinski or however the name is spelled, they called him MIKE SUBINSKY on the 1920 census. Another form yet! This was a good find though because he reports the year he immigrated to be 1891.

I suppose I should look for all the possible variations. I at least have the year (if he reported it right) that he came over. What a mess!

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@Chemikiem and @DominicB

I wasn't finding anything with the spellings they used in the US. I said "they" because the name changed over the generations too. And the same person would have different spellings over the course of a lifetime. I will try all you suggest. I did quickly run the suggestion Kubinski through and found a lot them but did not find Michael or any form of Michael. He was born in 1878....Austria. Since a lot of people who immigrated there came from the same town, I was thinking about checking the same town as the Plis family came from.

Will check out the other suggestions too. THANK YOU BOTH so much!!

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@Chemikiem

Thank you again. I have another difficult name. This one is a last name. In the US they were spelling it: Cubinsky, Ciubinsky and Chubinski

Is there a Polish spelling that would help me research that name? It's coming up empty and I can't find any immigration records for them with those spellings. I'm almost certain I'm not finding records for them because their Polish records are spelled differently.

Thanks in advance again!

Genealogy / Genealogy help with the surname Plis/Ples/Pless [31]

@Chemikeim

Thank you so much.

Another nickname I came up with for one brother of the siblings is Woj. Can you tell me what name Woj. might be?

Thanks again!

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@DominicB

I have been in contact with Plis cousins, but none currently in DuPont. Ancestry dot com ends the line with Matt/Marcin and Agnes Plis. We can't find anything else. And with the children coming from different towns, didn't know where to start to look in Poland. I found the church in Kolbuszowa, and perhaps they have records. There is a big cemetery next to it. I don't know Polish. Do you think Matt is a common nickname for Marcin? I would think it would be for Matthew or Matthias... Perhaps they weren't sure of the name.

You are right that those coming over knew each other. Katherine Plis married a man who came over with her brother. The couple had to know of one another before making the trip because they married once she got there.

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I was in error when I said they came to the same town. They came to the same area. I will try to edit the post. It appears the some arrivals came to DuPont and some to Shenandoah. The towns are about an hour's distance by car. @DominicB Do you know of the family?

Here are the parents: Marcin or Matt Plis and Agnes (Awaza) Plis

Their children who came to the US: Karolina Plis born 1879, Simon Plis born 1880, Katherine Plis born 1881, Joseph Plis, born 1884 and Jan Plis born 1888. They immigrated in the 1890s and 1900s. Jan was the last (that I know) to come over and he came from Kolbuszowa.

Thank you!

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Thank you very much! I have never seen that link before. You have been very helpful. There are currently PLIS families located there. So that is where I will begin searching.