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pakol   
26 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

jon357: He is a kind gentle person of 96.

As much as many ex-SS guys.

:) Thanks for such the posts, jon357.
That should open the eyes of our foreign guests who don't know much about situation in Poland.
My friends form all around the world - Poland is still not a free country.
Mass murderers and their followers are still in charge.
The fight is on.

The law which is in Poland is a compromise between part (mainly ex-communist) and communists that protects the latter.
Holocaust and all other Nazi or Soviet atrocities were law at the time - that should be reminded clearly
pakol   
25 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

But not a red totalitarian murderer? Are you Bauman's fan?
Where were "true" patriots? Why only nationalists acted against this pathetic event?
pakol   
24 Jun 2013
News / Professor Zygmund Bauman, Commie-Jew, shouted down [79]

Shame for disrupting a lecture of a murderous secret police ex-officer, who never even said sorry? Who is proud of what he did in the past?

And this is written by guys who look everywhere for "fascists" .....

Never heard of Katyn massacre, the Great Purge, tortures, thousands of concentration camps (gulags) ... ?
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

If so, then Palikot is a Nazi, too
He wants to shoot and skin !!! his enemies

The Movement's leader crushes a socialist MP who defends a professor - former Soviet and communist Polish death secret police forces' officer
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

Grandmaster: There are two main issues with RN
They are plain nazis

Nazis, who was not called a nazi?
Even a current lib-dem prime minister Tusk and former president Walesa

After 1989. "Fascists" were, among others, Lech Walesa, Donald Tusk and Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz. Today this term sticks to the President and his party PiS

- If the chief second force in the country without embarrassment refers to the idea of Carl Schmitt, the Nazi teacher if raises the slogan "Polish, wake up", literally modeled on Hitler's slogan "Deutschland, erwache" (Germany), wake up, if the formula Nazis organizes fackelzugs, torchlight descents, whether these analogies may not raise concern? The leader leads the party organized on strictly fascist manner, with full power, concentrated in only one hand - recently alerted the honorary chairman of the Association of Polish Journalists Stefan Bratkowski.
In his opinion, "the nascent fascism", that Jaroslaw Kaczynski and PiS, you need to "obstruct the path".
With who Walesa is associated
Kaczynski is the first Polish politician after 1989., who was accused of fascism. The list is long, and one of the characters, which it opens, is Lech Walesa. Such accusations were already in the presidential campaign of 1990. One of Walesa rally in Krakow was disturbed by the Anarchist Federation activists shouting "Down with fascism".

Walesa frequented "fascist" even after his victory. When half a year later met with his followers in the church of St.. Brigid in Gdansk, Adam Michnik is it associated the favor Mussolini from the balcony. "It smells corporationism, which built its power Mussolini, Salazar, Franco, and a few dictators in South America" - commented later Wiktor Osiatyński.

Scary cowboy
Leading "fascist" 90s was, however, no politician, but a showman - Wojciech Cejrowski. "Brown Cowboy Republic" - a title given to "Gazeta Wyborcza" accusatory article on the television program "WC Kwadrans".

Calling a nazi is so popular that nowadays means nothing.
You can start reading on wikipedia and compare "nazism" and "National Democracy" - there are very few similarities.
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

youtube.com/watch?v=GWwE4ER9u94

The organisers accused the police of provoking the people. The case is in the court now. As for now the Independence March Association is considered to be "an injured party".

The question who is guilty is opened.

wpolityce.pl/wydarzenia/54099-policjant-kopal-w-twarz-na-marszu-niepodleglosci-sad-wyrzucenie-ze-sluzby-i-wiezienie-w-zawieszeniu

As for the previous event, a police officer found guilty
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

pakol: They are a serious force.

If they were a serious force, why was Jaroslaw Kaczynski very careful to not support them last time round?

I don't know what "last time" means?
Kaczynski's party treats them very seriously. There have been many atacks on them from his party side. But you probably don't read their papers and websites, do you?

They understand very well that the Movement seek no alliance with PiS and can take a good number of votes from them.
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

Jon357, it's your choice if you believe it or not. But it's happening no matter what you think of it. As I stated before, the media already learned the lesson.

They can see them now and commentators and politicians, as well. They are a serious force.
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

Are you trying to convince us that only people marching in parades vote in elections? LOL :)
Did all these million voting last time ever do that? I can hardly believe it.
Millions of Poles in the streets?

That is what I call your MANIPULATION, mate.
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

pakol: And even with 20 k it's still a huge number.

Not really. Turnouts in Polish elections are around 50% of the vote, so around 15 million voters. You need 5% of them to get into the Sejm - so around 750,000. 20,000 is well short of that number.

You're manipulating the numbers which are not the same.
Shame on you !
Is this your tactics? A man who has just accused me of lying ....

***** patriotism" could be a good idea for Ruch Palikota. They love such things and that's why the majority of the Poles laugh at them. Palikto himself is one of the top unliked politicians.
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

Why do you call all other media than BBC liars?
And even with 20 k it's still a huge number.
Still much more young people than anyone managed to gather before.

Well, if taking care of dog's waste is patriotism - then I'm the first to start laughing. Now.
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

Yeah, have you noticed that Palikot is losing in polls now and the latest election were much earlier than National Movement began to act?
It was formed on 11.11.2012 during The Independence March organised by them - with 50 to 100 thousands people taking part. No party ever before has succeeded that much in gathering their fans. Thousands of young, proud patriots came to the capital to show their love for their country and the Movement ... exploded.

warszawa.gosc.pl/gal/spis/1356212.Marsz-Niepodleglosci-11-11-2012?page=1
This is a nice gallery - do they look dangerous? No, they are normal young Polish people like anyone else.

Now the Movement are present in all medias. I;m sure they will easily get to the PArliament
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

"They" weren't such near as they never existed in such form. They are a movement of predominantly younge people, with educated young leaders.

This is noticed and liked by many people.
They are seen as the only hope for the young generation.
pakol   
23 Jun 2013
News / Poland's Nationalists hold congress [132]

According to Millard Brown's polls over 30 % young Poles can vote for National Movement. Also over 10 % of all voters.
Not bad. There's still hope for this country :)