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Poland -- Europe's only counterweight to Russia [271]
He's another Russian paid-for Troll.
Don't be ridiculous. I'm French-Polish. I have no connection whatsoever with Russia. Now back on topic.
Actually, mess in Afghanistan was started by Russia
The 1979 mess? The Americans did everything to provoke a Russian intervention (Brzezinski). They wanted the Russians to have their own "Vietnam war".
"free world" is a negative factor over there but Russia is no better
It seems that without Russia, the US-led coalition would have bombed Syria a long time ago. Not sure this would have helped the situation. And I'm not even talking about the thousands of dead such a brutal intervention would have caused.
Of course, I won't tell you that there are the
bad Westerners on one side and the
good Russians on the other. It's always more complex than that. Of course, Russia has its own interests in Syria. But these interests make them [the Russians] defend stability in the area, while our Western governments just want another
regime change, at all costs. No matter how unsuccessful and tragic the previous
regime change attempts have been.
Otherwise they feel "threatened" and "provoked".
I hear what you're saying, but could you prove me that that's actually what Russia thinks/feels?
Since over a decade Russians have been on the offensive and if the other side does nothing, they will keep it going.
The other side is too busy attacking sovereign countries ;)
Ever heard "If you want peace, prepare for war" ?
Si vis pacem, para bellum. Yeah, I don't like it. That's good for the people who actually want war. If you want peace, work for it. Fixing problems doesn't always requires the use of lethal means.
to drag them here and force them to react if shyt hits the fan
This would actually turn Poland into a buffer zone in case of a war with Russia. Poland would be seriously damaged, but Germany (and most American/European important investments) would be safe.
Anyway, since I don't believe that Russia has any interest in attacking Poland, NATO is indeed useless. It just adds fuel to the fire. NATO needs conflicts to survive. Peace is not good.
Hence I doubt very much that USA regards Russia as a biggest threat to the US interests rather regards them as a nuisance.
I know, it sounds ridiculous. Still, that's what they pretend. Russia is an even bigger threat than ISIS.
Poland is not 'Russophobic' that is BS.
The Polish government and Polish medias generally are.
Poland didn't annex no lands that didn't belong to Poland before.
You mean even territories in what is now Eastern Ukraine?
Really? so why they would set their national holiday or some such День народного единства on the 4rd October commemorating "liberation" of Moscow from Poles in 1612. Eh?
Because they consider it important for their national identity?
I'm talking about today's Poland. Poland is just an economic (possibly cultural) partner. Nothing else. I don't see how Poland threatens Russia today.
It has nothing to do with our debate. We are talking Poland - Russia.
It is important. Because America plays with Polish people's fears about Russia in order to achieve its own interest, and many Poles still believe America is their good friend.
So the right answer is they are afraid that the world will see them for what their are at the moment weakened and vulnerable.
Russia was weak 20 years ago. Right after the collapse of the USSR. Things have changed. Russia is slowly regaining its position as a global power. And we'll have to deal with it. As long as they don't invade Poland (or the Baltic States)... ;)
No, they see Poland as a board piece to be played not as an opponent or a possible partner and here is the crux of t he problem. Is that is not obvious to you.
No, clearly, this is not obvious to me. Any evidence of this?
Syria basically invited Russia to stop ISIS and probably NATO.
Yes.
And yes. Russia's intervention in Syria is legal. No matter what the White House says.