Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]


Could we stick to the main topic of the discussion?

Sure, courts in England and Wales have their faults, but they are head and shoulders above Polish family courts which are notorious for corruption and shafting the daddy in the arse in whatever way possible, double that if daddy is a foreigner.

I DO NOT recommend getting a good, established, well-connected LOCAL ( underlined 3 times ) lawyer to every foreign bloke who has a family law case in Poland against a Polish chick WITHOUT a good reason for doing so.

Please read between the lines sometimes.

Law / how does the legal system work in poland? [25]


I don't know. Let's wait for the results of the Trayvon Martin trial ( no visual record of the incident ) and then we'll find out.


You are seriously comparing the courts of a country well-rooted within the rule of law ( UK ) with courts in Poland ( socialist tradition if any ) that often act like they are located in some banana republic?

Law / how does the legal system work in poland? [25]


Sure, it is not a perfect world.

Still:

A) United States - Rodney King. Dude gets badly beaten by cops ( who claim to have been acting properly in accordance with binding policy at the time ). Lives to tell the tale and sues, receives 3.8 million dollars:

articles.cnn.com/2012-06-17/us/us_rodney-king-timeline_1_wind-and-briseno-koon-and-powell-laurence-michael-powell?_s=PM:US

Proceeds to go cowabunga with the money and flushes it down the toilet with such projects as a failed rap recording label.

B) Poland - two teenage (19 y.o. ) kids driving a car get mistaken for evil organized crime figures. Because, let's face it, at 19 they really must look the part.

Polish Police in plain clothes decides the best way to stop a car is to run up on it on an intersection with drawn guns. The driver kid sees men with guns running at him and does what I'd also do in Poland - puts the pedal to the floor.

Polish Police in plain clothes decides then that they should just unload with live ammunition. Couple dozen shots fired ( someone really went full retard there ) because, obviously, the best way to stop the car from driving away is to shoot it full of lead until it stops.

One of the kids ends up dead, the other is lucky and is "only" crippled for life, spinal cord injury.

Police found not guilty by the court of appeals in Poland:

poznan.gazeta.pl/poznan/1,36037,6830064,Strzelanina_na_Baltyckiej__policjanci_niewinni.html

All in order says the court, officers feared for their lives so they just went into Rambo mode, no biggie, they're innocent. Expert witness asked to provide crucial testimony in the case is a graduate of the Polish Police School ( laughing so hard at this ).

Oh yeah, 250k usd for the kid who gets to drive around in a wheelchair. So basically won the ******* lottery there compared to good ol' Rodney.

Why am I posting this?

Because you're not gonna get far with a lawsuit aimed at any parts of the state apparatus in Central/Eastern Europe in general, unless it gets sent to Strasbourg ( good luck with that ) and pretty much everyone and their mother knows it.

Law / how does the legal system work in poland? [25]


Well, good thing you're hardly an authority then.


Lol, I'm MUCH more happy dealing with the Police in UK than in Poland and the same would probably apply to the US.

Why?

Because assuming these Police officers went that extra mile to stick one up your poop chute without a good reason in US you do a fairly simple thing:

a) lawyer up

b) sue

In all the former Eastern Bloc states on the other hand going up against the cops, "Prokuratura" or the state in courts is mostly a futile excercise.

Polish IRS routinely kills Polish companies often in a sneaky and underhanded fashion based on informants that were mentioned in the thread and it is a miracle if Poland ends up paying anything at all for it.

Law / how does the legal system work in poland? [25]

Says who?

How much business did you do in communist/socialist Poland then?

Law / how does the legal system work in poland? [25]


Napoleonic Code has little if anything to do with legions of smelly little ******* in Poland typing out letters late into the night which all begin with:

"Uprzejmie donosze/Uprzejmie powiadamiam (...)"

They are called "zyczliwi" in Polish and their abundance has everything to do with the ***** your neighbor in the arse" mentality hammered into Polish brains by 40 years of communism/socialism.

Law / how does the legal system work in poland? [25]


Apologies for being a bit of a bastard then.

And yes, in my opinion these three words explain nearly all the "traits".

I had a "firma polonijna" in Poland in the 1980's and I'm pretty sure my official file over at the "SB" or whatever they call themselves these days is fairly long. Has a lot to do with literally legions of informants, paid and unpaid, they kept at that time. Street money exchangers ( "cinkciarze" ), prozzers, pimps, taxi drives, hotel employees, anyone in a position that might come in contact with foreigners, you name it. Polish guys who helped us with the business back then were routinely harassed by SB and quite frankly those that didn't mention such an occurence to us came under suspicion immediately, usually for a good reason.



Never said it was. Although I personally believe many left-leaning people in Western Europe, U.S., UK and Scandinavia GREATLY underestimate the sheer scale of ugliness and invigilation that took place in the Eastern Bloc.


China hasn't been communist for decades and its socialism is questionable, look up a certain chap called Deng Xiaoping and his famous "cat quote". They've been teaching that stuff at universities since the late 1970's I think over in China.

Currently China is a... well, kleptocracy/oligarchy is probably the right word. With the oligarchs being "communist" party barons and their connections to the business world.


Sure, I need you of all people to tell me not to be excited by facist regimes. Because I simply love them, they are adorable.

Must have something to do with me being Jewish and my family lore mentioning the names of relatives that got "processed" after passing through the gate adorned with the "Arbeit Macht Frei" quote at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

I mean go adolf hitler, go fascists, everyone on board. <sarcasm>

Law / how does the legal system work in poland? [25]


Bravo sir, you must be a highly intelligent human being.

I suggest you look up "communism", "stalinism" and "socialism" while you're on your quest for discovery, it might help you to draw your conclusions.


Sure and we all know what happens to rats in Poland... They live happily ever after and get to keep their spoils, case in point Jaroslaw Sokolowski, otherwise known as "Masa".

Love / Why can't a guy from a foreign country marry a girl from Poland ? [44]


I think it might be a fairly safe bet that once the honeymoon ends he will be catching that Ryanair to UK with his bride or without her.


I didn't even comment on it, since that's almost normal in most conversations with Polish people. You mention Polish women participating in fake marriages or just generally whoring out for a rent-free London stay and the first usual response is about those wicked English slags with no decency and morals.

It is likely that if we start discussing these blokes from Poland who just killed an old geezer because he kept too much money in the house then the Polish will complain about Jack the Ripper.

Love / Why can't a guy from a foreign country marry a girl from Poland ? [44]


Sure you are confident you know it all, as with most people who don't know **** ;-)

Care to expand how you came up with the conclusion that a newspaper in a ( still predominantly Caucasian ) country is supposedly "racist" when it points out some Caucasians are engaging in sham marriages?

Love / Why can't a guy from a foreign country marry a girl from Poland ? [44]

@LordFab
Who died and made you the expert on who charges how much?

Your confidence in the mater holds little merit here.


Sure, if the newspaper points out Polish women sell what amounts to UK permanent residency for a few thousand bob the best course of action is to call it racist.

Love how you missed out on the fact that Poles and Anglo Saxons are classified as one race btw.

But carry on mate, don't let logic get in the way of your "IT'S RACIST!" blabber.

Love / Why can't a guy from a foreign country marry a girl from Poland ? [44]

I'm sorry that I don't follow the current trends regarding how much our dear Polish guests charge 3rd world immigrants for the right to stay in EU indefinitely these days :-)

It indeed seems that the current UK rate is somewhere in the vicinity of 2000+:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114819/Sham-marriage-Polish-woman-arrested-wedding-dress-said-vows-Pakistani-man.html

I'd like to see some numbers from Poland pertaining to that, I'm pretty sure Polish ladies in Poland charge 1/2 of what "Puchalska" charged in UK.

Love / Why can't a guy from a foreign country marry a girl from Poland ? [44]

Who says you can't marry?

You can marry and many people do, it is just that some countries in the more civilized parts of Europe ( Poland's not there yet ) are sick to their gills with people from Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Somalia or other third world countries coming over, abusing our welfare system and not contributing much to our societies in general. I mean you know things are bad when the Swedes in Malmo start complaining, lol.

Fake marriage is one of the tricks people from such places use to obtain permanent residency, there are numerous others, but that's the very reason why people are "wary" of such marriages.

So we're making it a bit more difficult for you boys to come over for your cousin's wedding and stay for a bloody eternity or fall in love the moment your student visa is about to expire, that's all.

But don't be alarmed, Poland is still a good 10 years behind and Polish women value an EU citizenship around a thousand bob, or so I heard, so you're not in a hopeless spot.

News / 70% of Poles like Komorowski. Do you? [120]

If I understand correctly "Komorowscy" are a proper Polish noble family with a crest and all that.

Other than that, I believe Komorowski did get in trouble with the commies in the 1980's so regardless of how one views his current activities that in itself is a bright spot on his bio.

Real Estate / MNE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY , LOFTS, U SCHEIBLERA, LODZ [36]


Of course they aren't, everyone and their uncle knows they're Jews who originally made bank in Australia.

Even the local press in Lodz knows it.

News / 70% of Poles like Komorowski. Do you? [120]


Because he's trying hard not to make a single public statement which would upset anyone? At times it makes him seem like the invisible man, but with Poland being a flawed democracy it is doing wonders for his ratings.

Plus he's got the whole I'm nobility, look at my moustache thing going for him, that's probably worth a few % in the ratings with Poland being Poland and all.

I personally don't consider him a particularly good politician and the way he went after that poor kiddo that ran a libellous site about him ( Polish equivalent of MI6 knocked down the kid's door at 6 am in the morning, according to the press ) was simply low.

Donald Tusk, that bright young lad who pretty much runs Poland these days considered the Presidency as something unworthy of his political skill and Sikorski would have grown too much if he got to be President at such a young age, hence you got Komorowski in office.

Life / I met Polish girl, she is 15. Moving to Poland to start new life - is it a safe place? [30]

He's muslim, his religion is perfectly ok with a 40 y.o. "starting a new life" by marrying a 15 y.o. cousin.

Law / Largest Corp In Poland :Polski Koncern Naftowy S.A. [8]

There is a number of good companies in Poland.

Most are some form of a well-transformed former state-owned company that was privatised and sold to investors.

Some of the blue chips on the Polish GPW include:

KGHM ( metals ) and PKN Orlen ( gas&oil ), which were already mentioned, TPSA ( telecom, owned by the French these days ), PKOBP ( bank ), PZU SA ( insurance ).

GPW - the Polish stockmarket, based in Warsaw, is generally considered the busiest in Eastern Europe and beats most of its neighbours by far.

Good place to invest if you like the thrills.

Life / I met Polish girl, she is 15. Moving to Poland to start new life - is it a safe place? [30]

Good luck with the visa application, boy.

Love / Polish girls call themselves sensitive and easily to be hurt, but how if they hurt others [35]

ShawnH - You sir are a genius. Grade A stuff. I for one am enlightened and finally caught a glimpse of the delicate inner balance of the mind of wasif.

Your marvellous grasp of English language is probably lost on both the threadstarter and wasif , but we can't have everything, huh? :-)

On a related sidenote, do consider publishing fiction if you haven't already done so, I'm absolutely serious.


1. If I were a family member in a position of even remote responsibility for your upbringing I'd probably have to kill myself for failing at life, due to some of the stuff you posted here. So "uncle" is out of place.

2. Yes, this whole European culture is a tragedy. I mean every time a woman gets drunk and commits some terrible affront to Allah, some blind mullah in a mud hut in Kandahar or even any random man on the street it should be customary to burn her face off with acid, like you boys do in Pakistan, right?

That would set these awful women straight real quick, too bad these dumb Euro types don't get that, it is up to you muslim lads to show them what's right, eh?

Seriously - you are in no position to criticize European culture, you are a guest in our house ( at the moment in our - Europe's - poor guest quarters also known as Poland ) and if you don't like our rules, customs, approach to women's rights and so forth you are by all means invited to pack your bags and go back to wherever you came from.

I'm sure the lucrative goatherding industry in the Ghazni province of Afghanistan will welcome such a resourceful gent as yourself with open arms and you'll make millions there in no time.

Love / Polish girls call themselves sensitive and easily to be hurt, but how if they hurt others [35]


Indeed. Shawn, your traslation skills and literary panache are badly needed yet again, please make this make sense.


THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!

A woman hugging and kissing boys while drunk. Allah's punishment must fall upon her.

I don't know why Polish people don't just stone them. I mean, that would be ok, right? I also heard the Polish don't burn widows on their dead husband's funeral pyres... Another outrage! How barbaric.

Seriously, you're a guest in Poland, boy, you're in no position to criticize your hosts, adjust to the local mentality.

Love / Polish girls call themselves sensitive and easily to be hurt, but how if they hurt others [35]

I'm with Hipis on this one.

Warsaw is the capital and the most "socially advanced", so to speak, place in Poland.

Girls in Warsaw are a bit less likely to fall for the usual 3rd world bullshit lines ( you have beautiful eyes ) which certain gents use in hope of finding a girl that will help "extend" their stay in Europe.

Toughsky shitsky, threadstarter.

Real Estate / Foreign investor, properties in Poland, walk away from mortgages? [209]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda...

I was labouring under the impression that we were actually taking into account how the currently binding Polish civil law works regarding debts, obligations, mortgage-secured credit and so forth and not talking how things should be.

Under the currently binding Polish legal statutes a credit obligation is still a personal obligation regardless of the mortgage. Thus the bank can ( and frequently - will ) pursue all available forms of recover, which often means wage garnishment, going after other property of the debtor and so forth.

Love / Polish girls call themselves sensitive and easily to be hurt, but how if they hurt others [35]


Shh, grown-ups talking, you go to bed, it is past curfew.


Splendid, well done :-).

Though I must say the threadstarter strikes me more as a strong, silent type. The ever-talkative Johnny Depp might not be the best fit - he's a tad too flashy, a bit too eager to please the audience.

Daniel Craig... he'd play the role of the threadstarter magnificently. Wonder if he's available?

Love / Polish girls call themselves sensitive and easily to be hurt, but how if they hurt others [35]

david_t - Buy a bloody dictionary, sign up for classes at an English language school come back when you're semi-understandable.

Work / Brazilian in Poland needing help - ideas to find a job? [22]


Can't speak about Spanish bud, however in terms of English you're quite far away from being able to truthfully describe it as "advanced".

Real Estate / MNE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY , LOFTS, U SCHEIBLERA, LODZ [36]


Guilty.

Real Estate / MNE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY , LOFTS, U SCHEIBLERA, LODZ [36]


You jest, right?

Companies in Poland can go out of business ( stan upadłosci ) for ages. The court appointed syndyk makes more money the longer the whole thing takes, so he's in no hurry.

Real Estate / MNE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY , LOFTS, U SCHEIBLERA, LODZ [36]

You do what you need to do, the lawyers I listed are from Lodz and I'm sure they can all help you.

Real Estate / MNE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY , LOFTS, U SCHEIBLERA, LODZ [36]


TUP S.A. is not a subsidiary of Opal or MNE:

tup.com.pl/strona.php?grupa=tupsa_akcjonariat

And they ( TUP S.A. ) haven't filed for bankruptcy, not to mention having one declared.

What they did is they basically stated the co-project they had with Opal in Poland ( Modena in Poznań ) is down the tubes.

So I don't really know where you get your intel, if it can be called such.