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marqoz   
16 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Szewczyk from Wara, Poland [6]

Jakob Szewczyk

Spellings: Jakub Szewczyk, Anna Zofia Kocyło, Józef Kocyło, Sally Milczanowska.

Try to find out something more in parish:
Dydnia, św. Michała Archanioła i św. Anny
Dydnia 145, 36-204 DYDNIA
tel. +48 13 430 35 70

Dydnia in Brzozów county in Subcarpathian voivodship
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dydnia

Dydnia parish covered also villages of: Jabłonica Ruska, Jabłonka, Krzywe, Końskie, Krzemienna, Obarzym, Temeszów, Witryłów i Wydrna.
marqoz   
14 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Bolak: My father was born in Lwow in 1914 - How can I trace his genealogy line? [3]

If your ancestor was a Roman Catholic, many parish records were saved and are in Warsaw in National Archives.
The most important is what was a parish of your great-grandparents. If you have any Church certificate (birth, marriage, death) - there must be a parish name on it.

If not try to google it or give the family name here and I try with google tricks.
marqoz   
13 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

but was Polish the main admistrational language of the Commonwealth?

Official language of the Crown (Kingdom of Poland) was Latin, while in Grand Duchy of Lithuania - Old White Ruthenian sometimes called ruski or even litewski. In fact administration language in Lithuania was changed to Polish in XVII ie. earlier than in the Crown. However Polish language was used extensively even earlier but acts and records were written in Latin. Royal Prussia and Courland were using German and Latin, small principalities of Oswiecim and Zator recorded in Czech until 1560. Until 1590 there were also the Tribunal in £uck in Volhynia, which used Ruthenian.

Later in XVIII usage of Polish was getting more universal. Even Uniate Church was using Polish in administration while Old Church Slavonic in liturgy.
marqoz   
12 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

The question is how much a local Polish accent/dialect at that time would have been removed from a Ukrainian one. Obviously, standard versions of the languages (plus the writing system) would have been very different, but what about 'on the ground'.

Poles and Ukrainians lived in one country for 500 hundreds years. They were neighbours in thousands of villages and cities. So they local idioms were convergent. Any educated person in the Commonwealth knew Polish (maybe with exception of some Germans) so many Ruthenians knew it. And all Poles who have some interest in communicating with Ruthenians knew Ruthenian as well. There were also many Polish speaking (especially Masovian) settlers deep in Ruthenia. So there were so many lines of bilateral linguistic contacts, that both languages have many borrowings from each other.

Poles from Podolia spoke dialect which used to incorporate many loan words and linguistic phenomena from Ruthenian. And the same with Ruthenian dialects of Podolia. However it was clearly visible (or better say audible) which dialect was spoken by your local interlocutor.

However literary languages Polish and Ukrainian tend to omit some evident features borrowed from neighbours - but fortunately not effectively enough.
marqoz   
11 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

which Ukrainians fought for centuries

How many centuries, Nathan?
Your national Ukrainian identity started in last decade of XVIII century and wasn't even completed as WW2 ended. With your anachronistic concepts of eternal Ukraine you never understand the past: Ukrainian past, Polish past and these part of the past which was common to both nations.

If Stalin was the Devil I wonder what was Hitler.The uber-Satan?

They were both the same - had completely NO scruples, but Stalin was mentally healthier, beheld further in future. Anyway they are both boiling in the same tar kettle in the Hell, I hope!
marqoz   
9 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Seeking information about the last name Lebida or Janus. [8]

My grandfather was from Lodz, Stanislaw Lebida. My grandmother, Agnuska Janus

You can start with ancestry.com and maybe some census databases. First you must ascertain when they entered USA.
There are 328 persons with Lebida family name in Poland today: [moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/lebida.html. It looks like their origins are from Lesser Poland - environs of Mielec, Busko and Sandomierz.

And Janus? Janus is very common in Poland: over 11 thousand bearers now:
marqoz   
9 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Searching for grandfathers relatives-Wilcensky or Wilczewsky [6]

Unfortunately, it could be difficult to find something more unless you find in immigration or census records you grandfather's place of birth. Have you tried with ancestry.com? They may misspelled it totally, so you probably should search with less strictly name pattern (mask).

In case it was Wilczeński, you have very few persons with such family name in Poland today: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/wilczeński.html

However with Wilczewski you can find quite a lot: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/wilczewski.html

But both names while are distant enough to be from quite another family - or these differences are production of an immigration officer. In this case information which form is closer to the original would be of great value.

Their names could be spelled in Poland as: Wilczeński, Wilczyński and Wilczewski
marqoz   
9 Mar 2010
Genealogy / Rebizanty village - looking for info [5]

It looks like your village is very famous.

You can find something there: roztocze.net/7dni.php/11337

It was the place where Marshall Józef Piłsudski crossed the border between Russian occupation zone and Austrian one, when he was escaping from Russian captivity in 1901. And his guide was who? Mikołaj Rebizant.

PL: Na drugim brzegu Tanwi, na terenie prywatnej posesji, znajduje się głaz upamiętniający przekroczenie w tym miejscu w 1901 r. granicy zaborów przez J. Piłsudskiego. Można go obejrzeć po uzyskaniu zgody właściciela posesji - dojście od płd. strony rzeki. Przekroczenie granicy przez Piłsudskiego nastąpiło po jego ucieczce ze szpitala więziennego w Petersburgu. Pomocą służył włościanin Mikołaj Rebizant. Na tablicy przymocowanej do pomnika widnieje napis: "Tu w r. 1901 J. Piłsudski przekroczył granicę rosyjsko-austriacką stwierdzając, że niczem jest wraży kordon wobec potęgi ducha narodu polskiego". Głaz został ufundowany przez Państwowe Gimnazjum Męskie w Zamościu w 1936 r.
marqoz   
9 Mar 2010
History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]

Segestes this ********

Don't be so angry. It was all Arminius's fault. It was him who kidnapped Segestes's daughter, Thusnelda and married her by force. Segestes had no options left. I don't like very deeply his style, but I can feel his emotions.

And Arminius... His emotions drove him to betray Romans, his friends, and to fight Segestes, which had better relations with them. Fighting Romans he was - in fact - striking his father-in-law.

One more melodrama with a woman in centre, which later was lifted up to the level of nation-liberating struggle.

marqoz: and it would be Slavonic people who crushed the Empire.
Heh:)

I understand you irony. OK. Slavonic tribes not alone but under very instructive leadership of Huns and Avars. ;-)
marqoz   
8 Mar 2010
History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]

I would prefer to count Arminius to my ancestors but I'm more proably some germanic/slavic/celtic mongrel as most Europeans

I'd prefer Segestes. If only Varus had believed him, Germania would be a Roman province ending on Albis or even Viadrus and it would be Slavonic people who crushed the Empire.
marqoz   
8 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

Daniel Passent was a prominent communist journalist.
show me where his comment was communist? I actually predicted your reaction to it to be honest.

I haven't written his comment was communist. I've written he WAS a prominent communist journalist. So, in fact, I have no willingness to read him today. I can recall some of his deceitful comments from 80s. I have enough of him. I don't read him - the biggest revenge I want (and can) execute upon him.

If you actually predicted your reaction, so what is your post for? To expose my mental weakness? ;-)

My remark about Passent's cradle in Stanisławów was just a digression - in case you didn't know. Maybe you can consider, if he has some motives or sensitivities in his journalism common with Ukrainian journalists or opinion makers.
marqoz   
8 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

Daniel Passent

Daniel Passent was a prominent communist journalist. He continues to be red and describes all from left wing perspective. His opinions aren't representative.

However he's your homey - as a Jewish survivor from Stanisławów - now Ukrainian Ivano-Frankiwsk.
marqoz   
6 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

Major forces that UPA fought were NKWD and Nazis, not Poles. So by trying to keep Ukraine shut about her army and its heros won't lead to any fruitful resolutions.

Yes, because Polish villagers had no forces, only lives. And how many Germans and Soviets UPA eliminated comparing to the number of defenseless Polish peasants killed. I'm sure that the latter number was greater.

It is equal to saying: "you didn't defend your land against Nazis and NKWD and you didn't have an army, because Poles in Wolyn were killed by UPA or Ukrainian peasants".

Yes, you did. Very effectively. You have your western regions almost totally wiped out of Poles. But we are talking about the methods. It cost your nation very much but you have your frontiers wider - almost 100% of your prewar nationalist plans. But it cost Poles living there few times more.

I hope relations and their reasons, which our nations had to go through in Cossack era

I think you should also try to look at your Cossack hero Chmelnickij (artful and outstanding but ruthless political player in his historical context) from the other perspective. His rebellion killed probably more Ruthenians than Polish forces did in response.

But - in any case - Poles are trying to choose your heros. There were many valuable figures which probably could qualify. Some even of Polish descent like Antonowycz, Hruszewśkij or even £ypynśkij and Szeptyckij. But it is, of course you choice. Poles know it, so don't try to say they don't. Poles are just angry when you build monuments for and make hero of guys who should be first denazified before putting them in school books.
marqoz   
6 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

We got the evil (Muslims) we all seem to agree on.

Far reaching parallel. I think there is some difference between free people movements or even colonization which lasts few hundred years and 50 years old accident at work.

However in 50 years the difference will weaken.
marqoz   
5 Mar 2010
Polonia / Polonia in Brazil? [14]

Hi, Zgrabne_Kopyto, sexy nick. If nobody of your target finds your post. Try, please, with:

dar-polska.org/polonia.htm
polonesesnobrasil.com.br

...and maybe invite them here.

Good luck
marqoz   
5 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

Why, according to you, UPA started murdering Poles in February/March 1943?

To make all Poles fled, of course. To have new 'clean' Ukraine, maybe a little devastated, but clean from 'alien' elements: Poles, Jews, Czechs, Armenian. It was inspired by Nazi ideology. It's indeed aggravating German guilt, but in no case mitigating responsibility of Ukrainian individuals steering nationalist organizations.

Germans wanted to exploit Polish-Ukrainian conflict to eliminate risk of effective resistance from local population by making all cooperation between Polish & Ukrainian underground organizations impossible.

If only Germans wanted to stop the massacre they could do something in this direction. But Ukrainians went to far in ethnic cleansing what jeopardized the balance. Germans tried some efforts to limit Ukrainian actions but it was too late - they started to lose the war and haven't enough soldiers.

And the ethnic cleansing in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia unfortunately succeeded.
marqoz   
4 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

They were said to be worse than some Nazis

No, they weren't worse than Nazi. They were just inspired. All started with Nazis and Soviets. Demoralization they spread was total. And many of these awful acts were stimulated and some also supervised by these totalitarian regimes.
marqoz   
4 Mar 2010
History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

Wouldn't it be interesting for a Polish poster to say, just once, that Nathan has a point and may be right?! It's always like a battle and you can see this in shops and on the streets. Why must it be this way?
Learning Ukrainian shouldn't be too hard.

I know Ukrainian, Seanus. My family is from Eastern Galicia and fled out from there because their life was in danger. So honestly speaking it's difficult to be patient. But I try. I suppose I'm reasonably enough to divide emotions from facts. I know history of the Borderland quite a little, maybe starting from Polish point of view, but I'm able to switch and evaluate it from Ukrainian side.

I can feel Ukrainian point of view about discrimination of Ukrainians in prewar Poland. Statistics (Polish) support many of their claims.

All my calm weakens when I heard that Klaczkiwśkij is a real hero for Ukrainian youth, while he was responsible for the UPA actions in Volhnynia.

All my calm weakens even more, when I see a writing sprayed on 12.05.2009 on the memorial plate to memorize Polish professors of Lwów Technical University killed by Germans. The writing is "Smert' Laham" ie. "Death to Poles". It was exactly the same war cry used by UPA formations during the ethnic cleansing in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.

You can see on the lower part of the plate: Tadeusz Boy-Żeleński - the greatest Polish translator of French literature, and on the very bottom Kazimierz Bartel - 5 times Prime Minister of Polish Republic.

I'd prefer a discussion but it needs two parts.
marqoz   
4 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

He's describing the habit some Poles have of not looking at what really happened in the past.

No. He's only showing how the Western powers don't care about how some facts in history look from Polish and EE perspective. However it's not a whining. It's a fact. Not even so sad, rather making discussion more difficult.
marqoz   
4 Mar 2010
Life / You are Polish if... [433]

So, please cut the crap and start lightening up

Sorry, Seanus. You're right have a fun ;-)
marqoz   
4 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Of course; would you deny the Soviets their spoils of war

Spoils at German expense I wouldn't.
But I would deny spoils at the expense of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia.
If I my co-patriots had some tanks and artilleries they would deny more effectively.
Britons and Americans had all these weaponry and a nuke - and granted these 'spoils' for free. And it cost them much in effect during the cold war period. But it cost EE hundred times more.
marqoz   
4 Mar 2010
History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]

Well, that is the third time you tell me I don't understand...stop that! :(

Where? I told you don't read carefully. It doesn't mean you are stupid, does it? In fact you look from your posts quite the opposite. Happy? ;-)

All blue eyed people have the same ancestor I've read!

And I've read that we the people all have the same Forefather and Foremother: Adaś and Ewka.
marqoz   
4 Mar 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

The war for them started in 1940. The partition of Poland was something they wouldn't see as a war, and indeed they didn't have to fight to do

That's a point of view presented in their deceitful propaganda. We're not bound to see the same.
Yes, Soviets did have to fight. You haven't read about it? Not all Polish units fought because its commanders were deceived by Soviet propaganda and incoherent commands from the Chief Staff. However many did fight for example in: Border battle with KOP units, Battle of Szack, Kock, Defence of Grodno. It was big war operation, Soviet crossed Polish frontiers with 500 thousands soldiers.
marqoz   
4 Mar 2010
History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]

marqoz:
And this is what I think as meaningless and obscure: reaching unreachable and making history from prehistory.
Well, this history happened, didn't it?

No, it didn't. What I'm talking about is prehistory, which you like so much. Prehistory isn't history. And nobody is sure how to interpret what happened.

Believe me, you don't read carefully. I DO deeply respect whole Polish history. But I'm ONLY interested - without emotional twist - of all these tribes wandering to and fro. What the hell you may know for sure about Germanic tribes and I about Slavonic, before they let Roman or Greek describe them.

And what were the genes of these smart guys.
By the way which tribe do you prefer to consider as you ancestors?