Life / Can foreigners really understand Poles? [136]


No I don't, that's why I wrote: 'Law is law in Poland, the executioner of law - that is and was the point.'


If you doubt then you doubt.


Not true, you were writing about the law that people under the law weren't convinced that it's *their law* because it was given by communists, and that supposed to be why people had no respect for that law. You were talking about law system - how people relate to it accoriding to you, or according to I don't know, publications about communism you had read. Fragment I wrote about english sentence is entirely secondary in here, just an example to compare with polish system.

'You make it sound like there is no difference between communist times and now.' - what do you mean exactly? That there is no difference in which aspect?

Life / Can foreigners really understand Poles? [136]


well... :-)))))))))) what is your nationality? Reading about 'suppressing' I bet you are British... Anyway it's hard to understand why normal or natural reactions are perceived as unexpected :-) For example I laugh a lot, someone tells me an absurd, I will laugh - and that is So horribly unexpected for Brits. Worse - I do consider all people equal - this is absolutely unimaginable for most Brits. Discussion is not something a Brit would pursue in many many situations, they would shut up just because they would consider someone who they have conversation with The Authority. Shops, post offices, banks, surgery, hospitals, pharmacies, you name it - this kind of craziness is everywhere. Once I asked a guy whom I was having a chat with if this is because Brits consider themselves Better Than Others, he said no; ok perhaps they don't consider themselves better (as individuals), but they may consider that their *culture* is higher developed than other cultures - they used to inhibit other countries in the past and have imperial tendencies. I believe the guy said truly what he thought, an individual is different from a group or nation, British individual wouldn't dare to discriminate me, but a group - this is different, they do it without consideration :-) I bet groups of Poles do the same (for example Poles have serious issues with antisemitism). Sometimes I go to see what's on YouTube and Poles upload videos how they 'try' to teach Brits few words in Polish - what is horribly embarrassing they all laugh but comments from Poles are: 'what an idiot' (in Polish) - about Brits for example. Of course many Brits don't even understand what they said in Polish, most of it will be swearing.

Of course foreigners do understand Poles, and it doesn't matter Europeans or not, all this is about is how people communicate with each other, and if they are well educated, they will understand each other easily.


Ohohohoh I will not agree at all. Or otherwise, every distortion of any system (including monarchy) is damaging to people's minds. Such argument was brought here because it's just so obvious, so much different from British system for example. If you label a country post-communist as equal to a *very wrong and bad system* you won't see what is wrong with your own system, because *it is so good and righteous superfantastic system*.

'if you interpret communism as an invading force or occupation you can see that people don't respect the law so much as there seems to be a feeling that it is not their law.' - you are very wrong, because the codified law which constitutes Polish law stems from French system and has nothing to do with communism. The law wasn't just given by communists :-) this is much older 'tradition'. Legal system in Poland is entirely different than legal system in England and Scotland. Law is law in Poland, the executioner of law - that is and was the point. Of course no system is perfect, but codification is very very good - you can always check in the code what you can expect. This is good because gives you a reason (that is why you are punished for example), judges have to act within codes. And what I read here in England, a judge is giving a sentence to a mother who murdered 3 of her children: you are being sentenced for [...] because you didn't give us a good reason why you murdered your children. Excuse me, what would be a *good* reason for murdering your 3 children? Which system is better for a sentence, codified or entirely up to a judge's own decission? Polish system = not too much power for one person, for 1 judge for example.