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Sire Brenshar   
2 Oct 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

on the INTERNET forum, not likely.

I can only wonder why you put the emphasis on "internet"...

Either way, Socrates must back up his claims, otherwise what he says are just his utterly subjective opinion. And as such, useless to the debate.

Define the communist era.

The years around those leading up to the fifties (end of majority of Polish resistance), to 1989.

Are you sure it was Polish history that had been taught ?

Not solely, but yes. Polish history was taught.

Why you asking irrelevant question, Poles were murdered by the ten of thousands after the WWII by the Soviets.

Rather than tell me I'm saying irrelevant questions, which were not even addressed to you, answer them.

I repeat. Were there any mass murders of Poles after the Soviets had assumed control?

You notice my carefully worded sentence? No, its not because I'm trying to narrow the subject into a period of time that backs my point, but rather to show Socrates wrong: If the Soviets wanted to exterminate the Poles, why did they become so lethargic and lax about it when they had full control? Why is it that once they built their own nuclear weapons, meaning when the West no longer had any advantage over them, did they no longer feel the need to end, freely, polish existence?
Sire Brenshar   
1 Oct 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

Both were intent on ending Polish existence but in different ways,would you like to die from cholera or flu ?dead is dead

So... Can you show me a source that backs up these claims? How many Poles were killed by the Communist occupiers during the communist era? Why was Polish history still taught in schools, why was the Polish language not suppressed, why were there no mass murders of Poles after the Soviets had firm control?

Took on Japan???? They declared war on Japan three days before the surrender AFTER the US dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
"they took on Japan and slaughtered them " might be a bit of an overstatement.

Read about the invasion of Manchuria. Don't simply assume things, it'll just make you look stupid.

Also, please get your facts straight. They're absurdly wrong.
Sire Brenshar   
30 Sep 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

You seem to be pretty sure about anything that depicts Soviets as big heroes. What are you, a Soviet/Russian or just some kind of Soviets admirer?

Actually, it seems to be that you are unable of rational thought. Stop being so dogmatic, its possible to hate the Soviets and also accept that if it wasn't for them Poland would just be another dead, and ultimately forgotten country of history
Sire Brenshar   
30 Sep 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

Because the Red Army consisted in 88% of Russians and NKVD in 94% you troll:))))

Which period? Source?

What do you mean to convey by saying that? Of the Red Army, how many were Poles, do you know?

Gratitude is one of the most lacking traits here, I've discovered.

Very true.
Sire Brenshar   
28 Sep 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

yeah, only to be controlled by the Soviets. Just like the Soviets "liberated" the Nazi camps only to reopen (some) them right after the war and kept there their political opponents (mainly Poles).

Your running us in circles mate. Its been understood. The difference was that the Soviets weren't intent on ending Polish existence, or at the very least, didn't mean to do it by slaughtering them.

I can only say this, since there really isn't all that much to discuss here:

Poland would be better off after the Soviets drove the Germans out. That does not mean Poland was in a good state, but was simply that, better off. No longer in danger of becoming extinct, if you like. The situation had stabilized for Poles.
Sire Brenshar   
28 Sep 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

Poles don't have any reason to be grateful to the Soviets at all!!!

This has been said many times already.

not liberation, for winning the war.
Poland was never liberated by the Soviets, Poland was invaded and Poles were enslaved by the Soviets for over 4o years.

"Liberation" (I did use quotes previously mate) is a flexible word here: Poland was "liberated" from the Nazis, aye? That doesn't mean it was "liberated", as in "free of foreign control".
Sire Brenshar   
28 Sep 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

i mostly agree with what you commented, but honestly, do you think poles or anyone else in europe(all countries under us influence) are 'really free'?

i think that is a big lie. maybe it is not felt directly, but think about it. ;)

What, you mean in today's world?

No country is really "free", they all have obligations to their neighbors: treaties, alliances, common enemies, etc. A free country in this world is one that won't last long. You can't have no friends and expect the big neighbors to tear you apart.

I'd say we, as Europeans, should we create a real, complete EU, would be as free as we could get without endangering our individual nations. Of course, I find it hard to believe such a thing would ever happen.

Completely off topic by the way. Lets discuss the actual situation at hand.

I would rather live in a communist country than under Nazi occupation. Not ideal but it's like getting a really nasty painful slap and have someone prod you with a stick (Russia) or being shot in both legs and being dunked in Ice cold water and be urinated and shat on and spat on (Nazi Germany)

what would you perfer? I think I ill take the slap and a little prod with a stick and keep my legs.

Naturally. But it wasn't a matter of choice for the Poles. Its simply how things turned out. What is important is today's reactions to it, and I say Poles should not spit on Russians for what happened, but just accept it as an unfortunate consequence (or even better, the price) of liberation.

Oh yeah, Poles have many reasons to be grateful, Katyn is one of them.

This is something entirely else. The thread is about should Poles be grateful for the Soviet "liberation". Katyn didn't happen during that.
Sire Brenshar   
28 Sep 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

Is that kinda like saying that Poles should have been grateful to Imperial Russia because the Russians didn't let the Prussians and Austrians have all of Poland in the partitions?

They didn't "let" anyone have anything. Russia could hardly have taken it all for herself. She did what she needed too.

But super-accuracy aside, the gist of your comment is completely correct. Russians, or rather Soviet apologists, (I doubt most Russians even care) should not demand Poles to be grateful. It simply doesn't work that way. You don't save somebody from murder just to rob them.

Not calling anybody a Soviet apologist or even stating that somebody is demanding Poles be grateful, but just putting my points and thoughts up on the forum's wall.
Sire Brenshar   
28 Sep 2011
History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

I'm not sure Uncle Sam would have won the war either( Britain would defiantly not have won alone.), had Hitler not invaded Russia, than a stalemate would have ensued, Rommel may well have won in the desert if he had all the Eastern Front troops at his disposal.

The general opinion (by historians at least) is that it took all of the big three to win the war. Each individually (Well, except Britain) had the resources, man power, and industry to be able to defeat Nazi Germany, only none/neither of them were in the right strategic position to do it, so they required the aid of one another. America was on the other side of the Atlantic and the Soviet Union made some crucial mistakes at Barbarossa's start, mostly due to the unique politicization of their army, that almost cost them the war, and negated them of some of their greatest benefits.

Even if there was no Eastern front, Rommel would not have any more troops coming his way; His logistics were pretty much already stretched to their max as things were. Unless they managed to somehow end Britain's naval dominance in the Mediterranean. Even if he could pull off a victory, it gained nothing for Germany, really. The goal was simply to cut British supplies from their colonies. Certainly a huge nightmare for the Brits, but Germany would be no better off.

Stalingrad is what broke them so yes I am grateful to the Russian war contribution. They could just have easily signed a truce with the Germans like Lenin did with the Treaty of Brest-Litvorsk in 1917 and given away a chunk of their territory

Stalingrad wasn't actually that much of a loss for Germany, rather it was more of a moral boost for their enemies. Even after Stalingrad Germany was able, and indeed still carrying out massive offensives. It was Kursk that lost the war for Germany, as they would be forced on the defensive, and we all know what that means on the steppes.

Germany would never have signed a treaty, remember they were there for Lebensraum. It was life or death for both sides.

To the topic itself, my opinion is that those Poles who actually know their history or care about it, would tend to be ungrateful. Only a few wouldn't. Its stupid to blame the Russians however, (First of the Soviet Union was hardly composed solely of Russians) as Stalin was its complete ruler. He was obeyed or people died.

I do not think Poles should be grateful, really, but being Anti-Russian because of it is simply stupid. Of course Poles would rather not be dead, but having their freedom taken away again afterwards is barely a substitute.
Sire Brenshar   
26 Sep 2010
News / Poland could emerge as new European and world power. If? [116]

The Vatican has been a world power since 400AD, the Roman Empire never went away it just changed its name to the Holy Roman Catholic Church with a larger Empire.

No, that is completely wrong.
"Neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire"

The Holy Roman Empire was only really formed in 955, after the battle of Lechfeld; The big push was caused by the Magyars: they would drive the German Princes to unite togeather, and after Otto I's victory to accept him as Emperor.

Charlemagne's regime actually had very little impact on HRE's formation, contrary to many histories.
Sire Brenshar   
19 Aug 2010
History / Colonel Mikolaj Sciborski - unknown Polish leader of OUN [20]

Good for Mikolaj! Very unfortunate he was killed; he could have been a great example for helping Ukrainian-Polish relations during and after the war.

Please ignore Sokrates. He does not represent the majority of Poles, in fact he only represents an isolated, depraved, hate-mongering, and a very tiny minority of us.
Sire Brenshar   
17 Aug 2010
History / Norman Davies - the Brit who loves Poland and becomes one of Us [250]

The completely unprofessional labelling of Poland as "The First Ally", and the insistence on refering to the country by that moniker, immediately marked him out as biased.

That was confusing on Davies part, along with all the Anglicization of Polish names. I feel I can't name any Polish WW2 hero by their real name or not confusing it with someone elses anymore.
Sire Brenshar   
17 Aug 2010
Life / A FILM ABOUT POLISH LIFE...with me as a star in it... [60]

polish - british co-production ...bigger, harder, longer ... wildrovers new movies coming soon to the cinemas all around the europe ...

Believe it or not, there are quite a few under-aged people on PF forums... Just putting that out there.

EDIT: I'm quoting McCoy btw... I'm not to sure why MareGaea is in there...
Sire Brenshar   
4 Aug 2010
News / New cross war in Warsaw [530]

Andd they survived Stalin by collaborating

All the babcias were collaborating?!

Why exactly is this thread called "new" cross war? Was there a previous one too?
Sire Brenshar   
3 Aug 2010
History / WWII - who really was the first to help Poland? [900]

what did the Poles do to help Polsish Jews?

Check the Yad Vashem ...

Despite all their shortcomings (many which were not their fault at all) Britain and France were the first to help Poland, if only by declaring war.

Also to say that "Churchill" sold Poland... you must remember that CH did an incredible amount to try and prevent that, and was quite unhappy by the ways things turned out.

He is not unlike Pilsudski in this regard, when Pilsudski was forced (by many factors, and especially by political opposition from home) to abandon Ukraine to the Bolsheviks.
Sire Brenshar   
17 Jul 2010
News / Why are Czechs more effective than Poles and Poland? [116]

Like i told you they only got Prague, and some small citys.

Brno Second largest city.
lala

Ostrava Third largest city.
lala

Most 14'th largest city.
lala

Now those are some nice places, I should visit one day.
Anyways how does anyone know is Czechs "whine" less than Poles? They didn't go through as much fortunately, and they are entitled to say or whine as much as they want if they feel so inclined. As can we (Poles).
Sire Brenshar   
17 Jul 2010
News / Why are Czechs more effective than Poles and Poland? [116]

They are an athiest country so the don't have loony priest on the radio preaching hate.

That is not a good thing. You mind telling me what religion the most murderous regimes in human history were?
Sire Brenshar   
16 Jul 2010
Life / How Polish are you? [74]

51% on the first one, and 100% on the second (even though I wasn't sure about two of the answers)
Sire Brenshar   
5 Jul 2010
History / Poles in the Napoleonic era [224]

There are 2 of uhlans but they don' seem to be Polish unfortunately:

No, they are both Polish lancers, though maybe the men wearing the uniform aren't.
Sire Brenshar   
12 Jun 2010
Life / Anyone else suffering from mosquito bites in Poland? [52]

For the love of God, do NOT use sprays or other chemicals, they are harmful to EVERYTHING, what is a few minutes of discomfort compared to a few years more of life (actually it's not as bad as that).

There is plenty of natural repellents, I use them all the time when I go to Kaszuby for Harcerstwo (the one in Canada, by the way. And Mosquitos there are HELL {I won't even get started on how bad it is})

EDIT: Also is it true that leg hairs are protection against nasty bugs? Seems to work for me, and I'm not even in full manhood yet.
Sire Brenshar   
11 Jun 2010
News / Next 100 years - Poland as great power? [35]

"the boundary between Europe and Russia is Poland"
But of course, no wonder it will become a world power!

-How can he expect himself to be taken seriously?

(Though it would be rather nice)
Sire Brenshar   
11 Jun 2010
History / The Pogrom on Jews at Eishyshok (Ejszyszki) in Poland [68]

And Jolanda, please stop pretending you are Polish. It just sounds stupid. It's like I would say I am Polish because I am married to one. You better don't use "us", "our(s)" and "we" ... it's pathetic.

Careful there, Copernicus considered himself Polish but I don't see you scolding him for having considered that, even though he was technically an ethnic German.

I consider myself polish, even if I was brought up 100% in Canada, simply because I speak polish (perhaps not as well as I would want) and know it's history very well (probably better than most Poles), and because I'm proud of being Polish, and there is nothing you can say or write that could change the way i feel or the what I consider myself to be.

(nothing personal, this actually goes to all other PF posters who say what you have just said)
Sire Brenshar   
3 Jun 2010
History / 'Poland: A Knight Among Nations' - Book about Poland by an American Author, dated 1907 [51]

This is a very good book, thanks very much Madparasol.
I started reading it an hour ago (I'm on page 58 now) and it's really got a hold on me, even if reading off the internet is rather uncomfortable.

It is incredible: you are hearing facts and opinions on Poland from 103 years back, even when we didn't have our own country, and about what if Poland was to regain independence!

All PF members who are intrested should really get around to reading it, I think a must have for those studying Polish history.

Thanks a lot again, this is a golden find!