Nick Mon
18 Jan 2011
History / Climate, weather event and Polish history [23]
I think people on this thread can be forgiven for having to guess just what it is you do believe.
I think we can all agree that climate changes, that times of bad climate (usually cold in Europe) historically did create hardship and that hungry people riot etc. You have a theory that although all historians include climate as a factor they have, for some reason (you don't mention) not given it enough weight.
OK, good luck with your history theory, but for some reason you started the thread by labelling the climate change lobby poor demented fools and even calling for them to be shot for inflicting nuclear power on us.
Who are the climate change lobby? I presume you mean anyone who believes that current climate change might be man made.
Who is getting the nuclear power inflicted on them? China, India, South Korea, Russia? These are the places building significant numbers of nuclear reactors. Hardly the countries most likely to be pandering to a 'climate change lobby'?
The US creates the most nuclear power and France has over 50 reactors, I think, all built before any significant 'climate change lobby' existed.
You're probably talking about Poland, but again Poland has long had plans to build nuclear power not instigated by climate change. It wants to secure its energy independent of Russia.
Nuclear power is unpopular and and any politician is now going to say they are doing it to reduce Co2 emissions blah, blah, blah. But I just don't believe any government has yet been that green to do it for environmental reasons. In the UK environmentalists and the Lib Dems have only just come around to the idea of nuclear in the past year so where was this pressure to build nuclear coming from? I think it is just plain wrong to think that some climate change lobby has achieved this. The cold hard fact is that we really are going to need some energy from nuclear, and more besides.
Varsovian
I think people on this thread can be forgiven for having to guess just what it is you do believe.
I think we can all agree that climate changes, that times of bad climate (usually cold in Europe) historically did create hardship and that hungry people riot etc. You have a theory that although all historians include climate as a factor they have, for some reason (you don't mention) not given it enough weight.
OK, good luck with your history theory, but for some reason you started the thread by labelling the climate change lobby poor demented fools and even calling for them to be shot for inflicting nuclear power on us.
Who are the climate change lobby? I presume you mean anyone who believes that current climate change might be man made.
Who is getting the nuclear power inflicted on them? China, India, South Korea, Russia? These are the places building significant numbers of nuclear reactors. Hardly the countries most likely to be pandering to a 'climate change lobby'?
The US creates the most nuclear power and France has over 50 reactors, I think, all built before any significant 'climate change lobby' existed.
You're probably talking about Poland, but again Poland has long had plans to build nuclear power not instigated by climate change. It wants to secure its energy independent of Russia.
Nuclear power is unpopular and and any politician is now going to say they are doing it to reduce Co2 emissions blah, blah, blah. But I just don't believe any government has yet been that green to do it for environmental reasons. In the UK environmentalists and the Lib Dems have only just come around to the idea of nuclear in the past year so where was this pressure to build nuclear coming from? I think it is just plain wrong to think that some climate change lobby has achieved this. The cold hard fact is that we really are going to need some energy from nuclear, and more besides.