PolishForums LIVE  /  Archives [3]    
   
Posts by HWPiel  

Joined: 10 Oct 2008 / Male ♂
Last Post: 15 Feb 2010
Threads: Total: 1 / In This Archive: 0
Posts: Total: 64 / In This Archive: 22
From: South Grafton, MA, USA
Speaks Polish?: Light Conversation
Interests: Katyn; I am working on my Master's in History with concentration in Polish History.

Displayed posts: 22
sort: Latest first   Oldest first   |
HWPiel   
25 Feb 2010
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

R J Rummel, who about 15 years ago coined the term "democide," which is kind of the political scientist's catch-all for anything death related. Under his definition, the Soviets committed democide against the Poles.

Since a few of you folks cite Wikipedia as a source... look it up there.

Henry.
HWPiel   
22 Feb 2010
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

It was a mass murder: You want to call it a 'war crime', OK, it was...

I agree... when compared to the purges committed by Stalin against his own people, or the NAZIs against the Jews. Sheer numbers, yes Katyń is very small and inconsequential, by sheer nuymbers only - certainly not the injustice or outcome of the act.

Again, some good comments on this thread. However, I am curious... and this question is directed to the Russians/ex-Soviets here.... do you acknowledge the purges committed by the Cheka, NKVD, and KGB under Lenin, Stalin and Kruschev (spelling)? Those ~32 million people who were murdered for the good of the CCCP's political gains, was it genocide or just an inconvenience for the Soviet government?

H
HWPiel   
15 Feb 2010
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

To quote Stalin himself on Katyń, "... a mistake was made."

Some good, interesting and off-the-wall points have been made on this thread. However I see too many modern "revisionists" trying to distort an event 70 years ago using their modern analytical and reasoning skills. This is the fundamental crime of historians... see Norman Davies.

Right or wrong, the Soviets perpetuated this act against Poland. Poles who were deemed incapable of conversion to whatever form of government Stalin offered his people were to be liquidated for the good of the CCCP. The course of action was a predetermined murder signed by the top echelon of USSR government.

Call it what you want, the Soviets did a very bad thing towards Poland at Katyń, which ruined relations for a long time. Germany had it all spelled out their racial hygiene in their theoretical documents, but the paranoia of the Soviet Union was a quiet killing of many via purge of enemies. Strong arm tactics that go back as far as the Cheka... ironically with the very same group of players.

Hearing some of the brazen comments here about: anti-Jewish, Polish, German and Russian/Soviet, or any combination thereof really makes me shake my head... that even after Russian Revolutions and World Wars my Slav cousins o'er seas still cannot get it together.

I agree with one other comment, the few thousand deaths of Polish officers compared to the horrific crimes Stalin committed against his own people is just incredible to fathom.

I still assert that Katyń was, in fact, classifiable as a genocidal act according to Lemkin. I am just glad that I grew up in America... where my biggest problem was figuring out which pair of Levi jeans to wear (an attempt at humor).
HWPiel   
25 Sep 2009
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

As some of you know I am at Harvard working on my Master's in History; my thesis is on Katyń. Though I do not profess to know-it-all.

In historical context, yes, Katyń was genocide in 1948; any Ph.D. will say that and substantiate it as I will. The very term "genocide" was created by a Pole (Raphael Lemkin) during the Nuremberg Trials explicitly to be applied to this crime. Poles say yes, hard-line ex-Soviets say no. Is all really fair in war?

However, nowadays, in this revisionist historical world we live in many government/political academics and historians consider Katyń to be a "democide".

A.D. = C.E.
B.C. = B.C.E.
Genocide = Democide

Philosophically, what is the difference between the NAZI party's purge of Poles and Jews compared to the purges committed by Lenin/Stalin? Less sheer numbers?! Both fulfill the legal definition of "genocide", as accepted by the UN.

As time moves forward, historical contexts become changed; for many reasons and political gains and losses.

I have read a lot of opinion here, I'd suggest people read the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact of August 1939 from an unbiased analytical view. The truth is often simple, but brutal and easily ignored or supressed: Germany wanted the Poles gone so his master race could move to move Germania eastward, and the Soviet leadership believed the Poles were to hard-headed in an nationalistic sense to become communist and wanted to move westward.

Katyń is a Polish national cry, rightly so. It is an admitted mistake, by Stalin himself. A white-wash in political discussion of the Big Three Conferences from 1944 to the Nuremberg Trials. It should not be ignored or forgotten, but it cannot be the rule of life either. Trust me on the later, I have been studying Katyń for two years and sometimes I feel completely overwhelmed and in disbelief.

Henry.
HWPiel   
31 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Henry thank you soo much for the medals!

Emil,

My pleasure - if they are not the ones your Grandfather earned... at least you a little piece of Polonia at home. Again, sorry it took a while to get them in the mail and I think you for the paper money, it is a nice addition to my collection of Polish money.

If you ever need anything, drop me an e-mail. Good luck with all of the research on your family.

Henry.
HWPiel   
27 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

I think Polish is already in process of being produced (or would you prefer English?) I will ask.

English... my Polish language skills are rough at best.

Thank you!

H
HWPiel   
26 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

There is a new Katyn book authored here in UK which contains newly researched archival documents. I cannot tell you too much right now as the author is still negotiating with a publisher (I know the author personally a Polish lady living in London). When the deal has been concluded I will let you know as I read this is an area of interest to you?

Sjam,

Yes! This is exactly my area... much appreicated. When it comes about, please feel free to e-mail me directly through my profile on Polish Forums.

Dziekje!

Henry
HWPiel   
26 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Sjam,

Could you please send to me via e-mail, or post it here, the citation information on Zamoyski's text? Year, Publisher, etc.?

Thanks!

Henry
HWPiel   
24 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

I had the medals in storage, and then I bought one from ebay because my grandfather lost one years ago... I had the frame done at a local framing chain store... they should be able to do it rather easily.

Let me know how you make out.

H
HWPiel   
24 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Sjam,

Norman Davies wrote a fantastic book capturing the war, "White Eagle Red Star: The Polish-Soviet War 1919-1920 (and the Miracle on the Vistula)" I highly recommend this book; it is not an easy read, but it is very well written, factual and captures political winds 10+ years prior and a few post the war.

Emil,

The medals are in the mail this morning.

H
HWPiel   
23 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Emil,

Col. Wesolowski probably has the ribbon if you want to replace it... send him an email... describe the medal and let him know you need the ribbon... he'll charge ~12 USD.

H
HWPiel   
22 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Polska man! Emil, I recieved the bills yesterday, quite beaufitul, thank you! I still need to get to the post office and drop those medals in the mail. Sorry for the delay, brother.

Henry
HWPiel   
11 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Here is a picture of my Grandfather's WW1 and PSW medals framed.

H

OK... I did. The file is too big to post here - dang shame, as I think it came out nice, ehh, PolskaMan? It cost about 150 USD to get done, but it is a nice heirloom now.

Wroclaw, just for clarification (and thanks for covering my back) the medals I am offering have no value to me, not family related, etc. So if anyone wants them, please take them off my hands, as I do not collect medals and they are just taking up space. I will trade for Polish money, paper money, any type. Your option.

H
HWPiel   
10 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Thanks - my dziadek was a good man. Really, if you want the medals - e-mail your address and I will drop them off in the mail to you. I got them for nothing, and I have what I need.

Henry
HWPiel   
9 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Sorry to hear that Polska man. I have a couple of medals from the 1960's you are more than welcome to have them, oh and I have a WW1 victory medal too. Polish defense 1960s and RPL Merit Medal. Ehh, you can have'em.

The colonel is a very "interesting" character - he is an amateur military historian, and I am at Harvard for my Master's in history... and well, e-mail me if you want the rest of the story! ;)

H
HWPiel   
9 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

Try this website: polishmilitaria.com

Col. Wesolowski is in Florida, USA, and I've had some correspondence with him. His prices are over the edge on ebay, but if you know what your Grandfather was awarded and have the money to spend - he is a good and reliable source. He is a bit stingy with information with the knowledge/information sharing, but once you beyond his abrasive exterior - he is OK.

Henry
HWPiel   
8 Jan 2009
History / Polish weapons and militaria - got any? [153]

FYI...

I have my grandfather's medals; he was in the Polish Army in WW1 and then in the Polish-Soviet War. His medals are: Pilsudski 10th Year Anniversary, Polish-Russo Service Medal 1918-1921, Haller's Swords for Americans, WW1 Victory Medal, Cross of Valour, and Lithuanian Campaign Badge 1919-1921; I also have his Polish Eagle Hat Badge. There is a picture of him in my profile, between WW1 and the PSW. I recently had the medals mounted and put in a frame - looks great in the office alongside family photographs. IF anyone wants to see a picture of it, e-mail me as I am not sure how to post a photo on here.

Henryk
HWPiel   
11 Oct 2008
Food / What's your favorite Polish beer? [870]

Thread attached on merging:
What is your favorite Polish piwo?

Many people make the mistake of thinking that Poland is just another vodka nation, in fact, Poland ranks 10th in beer consumption... according to BeerAdvocate.com. So I am curious, if you have one, what is your favorite Polish beer? Mine is Piast lager, followed by Zyweic.

H