scorpio
26 Nov 2007
Travel / Hometown / Vacation pictures Poland [201]
My farm in the Carpathian foothills near Zakliczyn n/Dunajec, 32 km south of Tarnow.
My farm in the Carpathian foothills near Zakliczyn n/Dunajec, 32 km south of Tarnow.
scorpio
5 May 2008
History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
It seems either intentional, or some people just never learn. A recent article in "Ynet News from Israel" entitled "Sderot pupils in Auschwitz: We are proud to be Jews" contains the following quote:
"Among hundreds of Israeli schoolchildren visiting Poland's concentration camp were 24 students from Sderot."
"Poland's concentration camp"? How nice. I always thought it was Nazi Germany's Concentration camp constructed in wartime occupied Poland. I'm surprised that the Jewish people, who know what revision and propaganda are very well from when Hitler was in power and discriminated against them, themselves spew out progaganda against the Polish people and nation. This is insane, especially when the press / media repeat it over and over again.
Another thing I notice is that the media, for some strange reason, avoids at any cost using the phrase "German" to describe anything to do with the holocaust. Instead, the phrase "Nazi" is used. It must be part of some deal to slowly dilute responsbility of the German people for WWII, the murder of Jews, and the construction and operation of the concentration camps located on occupied lands.
This is propaganda on par with the Nazi-German era.
It seems either intentional, or some people just never learn. A recent article in "Ynet News from Israel" entitled "Sderot pupils in Auschwitz: We are proud to be Jews" contains the following quote:
"Among hundreds of Israeli schoolchildren visiting Poland's concentration camp were 24 students from Sderot."
"Poland's concentration camp"? How nice. I always thought it was Nazi Germany's Concentration camp constructed in wartime occupied Poland. I'm surprised that the Jewish people, who know what revision and propaganda are very well from when Hitler was in power and discriminated against them, themselves spew out progaganda against the Polish people and nation. This is insane, especially when the press / media repeat it over and over again.
Another thing I notice is that the media, for some strange reason, avoids at any cost using the phrase "German" to describe anything to do with the holocaust. Instead, the phrase "Nazi" is used. It must be part of some deal to slowly dilute responsbility of the German people for WWII, the murder of Jews, and the construction and operation of the concentration camps located on occupied lands.
This is propaganda on par with the Nazi-German era.
scorpio
5 May 2008
History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
This is absolutely incorrect. Just last year, the Polish government demanded that the media stop using the term "Polish Concentration Camps' and even submitted to UNESCO the official name to be used, "Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, near Oświęcim". This is the official name, and yet, the media still refers to it as either the "Nazi Concentration Camp", or "Poland's Concentration Camps", or "Polish Concentration Camps".
Poland, nor the Poles never wanted to or did claim fame to any of those camps. Your statement is way off track. They are camps built and run by the Germans, in German occupied Poland.
...but the Poles seem to only want to call the place by the name of the town its located, Oswiecim.
This is absolutely incorrect. Just last year, the Polish government demanded that the media stop using the term "Polish Concentration Camps' and even submitted to UNESCO the official name to be used, "Former Nazi German Concentration Camp Auschwitz-Birkenau, near Oświęcim". This is the official name, and yet, the media still refers to it as either the "Nazi Concentration Camp", or "Poland's Concentration Camps", or "Polish Concentration Camps".
Poland, nor the Poles never wanted to or did claim fame to any of those camps. Your statement is way off track. They are camps built and run by the Germans, in German occupied Poland.
scorpio
6 May 2008
History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
plk123, please click on the link provided in the first post on this thread. The extract "Poland's concentration camp" is there in the very beginning of the article:
"Among hundreds of Israeli schoolchildren visiting Poland’s concentration camp were 24 students from Sderot. ‘With all due respect to our problems at home, this visit puts things in perspective,’ one student says."
Poles never operated any of the German concentration camps in occupied Poland. You are revising historical fact and truth. Do yourself a favor and learn history. An official statement from the "American Jewish Committee":
piasa.org/news14.html
scorpio:
"Poland's concentration camp"?
Easy_Terran:
'Polish concentration camp'
hmm.. neither of these quotes actually appear in the linked article. so why spread hatred?
"Poland's concentration camp"?
Easy_Terran:
'Polish concentration camp'
hmm.. neither of these quotes actually appear in the linked article. so why spread hatred?
plk123, please click on the link provided in the first post on this thread. The extract "Poland's concentration camp" is there in the very beginning of the article:
"Among hundreds of Israeli schoolchildren visiting Poland’s concentration camp were 24 students from Sderot. ‘With all due respect to our problems at home, this visit puts things in perspective,’ one student says."
Why might it be called a Polish concentration camp? Could it be because it was last operated by Poles? The Germans left the concentration camp in January 1945 but it was still in operation in April of 1947. And if we include the subcamps, Germans ran the site for four years and eight months, while Poles ran the site for eleven years.
Funny how these things get forgotten.
Funny how these things get forgotten.
Poles never operated any of the German concentration camps in occupied Poland. You are revising historical fact and truth. Do yourself a favor and learn history. An official statement from the "American Jewish Committee":
piasa.org/news14.html
scorpio
7 May 2008
History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
All individiuals in any given nation have a national "citizenship", "ethnicity", and "religion". In a unique case, most individuals who follow the Jewish faith consider their religion an ethnic group as well.
In the USA for examle, all legal residents are considered "Americans". Then, for each American, it can be broken down into: Italian American, Polish American, Jewish American, etc. The same goes for Poland. All legal resident of Poland are "Polish". Then you have German Pole, Catholic Pole, Jewish Pole, Lutheran Pole, Musliim Pole. Not complicated at all.
That said, Solomon Morel is a Jewish Pole or Pole of Jewish descent. I have a friend whose father is a Russian of the Russian Orthodox religion, and his mother is a Catholic Pole. He lives in Bialystok. When asked his nationality, he states: I am a Catholic-Orthodox-Russian-Pole. Konstanty Gerbert and Adam Michnik for example are Jewish Poles. Where I live, the region has numerous Gypsy Poles. And what about the recent Brazilian football player that got Polish citizenship? Well, he is simply a Brazilian Pole, or a Pole of Brazilian descent. Of course, he might also state it like this: "I am a Polish citizen of Brazilian descent", if he wishes to reflect the fact that his roots aren't ethnically from the region where Poland is geographically located. To break it down further, Polish belongs to the Slavic category, just like Germans belong to the Germanic and Swedes to the Nordic. Simple, right?
A "Jewish Pole" or "Polish Jew", IMO, the same, meaning: a Polish citizen with Jewish roots, or a person with mixed ethnic Polish slavic and Jewish roots.
did anyone actually clarify the difference between a jewish pole and a polish jew?
All individiuals in any given nation have a national "citizenship", "ethnicity", and "religion". In a unique case, most individuals who follow the Jewish faith consider their religion an ethnic group as well.
In the USA for examle, all legal residents are considered "Americans". Then, for each American, it can be broken down into: Italian American, Polish American, Jewish American, etc. The same goes for Poland. All legal resident of Poland are "Polish". Then you have German Pole, Catholic Pole, Jewish Pole, Lutheran Pole, Musliim Pole. Not complicated at all.
That said, Solomon Morel is a Jewish Pole or Pole of Jewish descent. I have a friend whose father is a Russian of the Russian Orthodox religion, and his mother is a Catholic Pole. He lives in Bialystok. When asked his nationality, he states: I am a Catholic-Orthodox-Russian-Pole. Konstanty Gerbert and Adam Michnik for example are Jewish Poles. Where I live, the region has numerous Gypsy Poles. And what about the recent Brazilian football player that got Polish citizenship? Well, he is simply a Brazilian Pole, or a Pole of Brazilian descent. Of course, he might also state it like this: "I am a Polish citizen of Brazilian descent", if he wishes to reflect the fact that his roots aren't ethnically from the region where Poland is geographically located. To break it down further, Polish belongs to the Slavic category, just like Germans belong to the Germanic and Swedes to the Nordic. Simple, right?
A "Jewish Pole" or "Polish Jew", IMO, the same, meaning: a Polish citizen with Jewish roots, or a person with mixed ethnic Polish slavic and Jewish roots.
scorpio
8 May 2008
History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
Here is an excellent example on just how confused even "Israel National News" is when it comes to defining an individual who has Jewish roots and lives, was born, and raised outside of Israel in another country (Brazil). The article entitled, "Arab Terror Attack on Brazilian Jewish Youth in Warsaw" israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126073, states:
- "At least one Arab terrorist entered a sixth-floor hotel room and briefly took three Jewish youths hostage in central Warsaw on Monday."
- "The three teens who arrived last week from Brazil to participate in the March of the Living were unharmed."
First, it appears the three youths are native citizens of Brazil, born and raised there, speaking the native language, Portuguese. So, they were born as "Brazilians", correct? So, what nationality are they? Let's further diagnose what the Israel National News says.
Well, according to the INN, notice the author Hana Levi Julian states (1) "Brazilian Jewish Youth", (2)"Jewish youths", (3) "...who arrived last week from Brazil", all in one article. Well, if they were born and raised in Brazil, are they "Brazilan", "Brazilian Jews", "Jewish Brazilians", or "Jewish" youths? As you can see, it is not that gentiles have difficulty categorizing citizens of Jewish extraction in the country they both live in together, but the Jewish media, government, Jewish organizations, and Jews themselves are confused as to how to categorize someone with Jewish roots not born, rasised, or living in Israel - "Jewish" or a "native" citizen of the country they reside in.
Until Israel, the chief Rabbi, or a major Jewish body decides exactly whether (1) Jewish is a religion, nationality, or both, and (2) Whether someone of Jewish extraction living in a country outside if Israel is a "Jew" or 'national' from that given country, nobody will know exactly how to define this particular nationality/religion and there will only be further confusion and finger pointing.
Here is an excellent example on just how confused even "Israel National News" is when it comes to defining an individual who has Jewish roots and lives, was born, and raised outside of Israel in another country (Brazil). The article entitled, "Arab Terror Attack on Brazilian Jewish Youth in Warsaw" israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126073, states:
- "At least one Arab terrorist entered a sixth-floor hotel room and briefly took three Jewish youths hostage in central Warsaw on Monday."
- "The three teens who arrived last week from Brazil to participate in the March of the Living were unharmed."
First, it appears the three youths are native citizens of Brazil, born and raised there, speaking the native language, Portuguese. So, they were born as "Brazilians", correct? So, what nationality are they? Let's further diagnose what the Israel National News says.
Well, according to the INN, notice the author Hana Levi Julian states (1) "Brazilian Jewish Youth", (2)"Jewish youths", (3) "...who arrived last week from Brazil", all in one article. Well, if they were born and raised in Brazil, are they "Brazilan", "Brazilian Jews", "Jewish Brazilians", or "Jewish" youths? As you can see, it is not that gentiles have difficulty categorizing citizens of Jewish extraction in the country they both live in together, but the Jewish media, government, Jewish organizations, and Jews themselves are confused as to how to categorize someone with Jewish roots not born, rasised, or living in Israel - "Jewish" or a "native" citizen of the country they reside in.
Until Israel, the chief Rabbi, or a major Jewish body decides exactly whether (1) Jewish is a religion, nationality, or both, and (2) Whether someone of Jewish extraction living in a country outside if Israel is a "Jew" or 'national' from that given country, nobody will know exactly how to define this particular nationality/religion and there will only be further confusion and finger pointing.
scorpio
8 May 2008
History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
More confusion on whether an individual of Jewish extraction born outside of Israel is "Jewish", "country_abc Jewish", "Jewish country_abc", "Israeli" ... from the Jerusalem Post. This is pertinent to the current discussion because many (especially Harry) question which term is correct: "Polish Jew", "Jewish Pole", "Jew" ? Read on:
- "A 23-year-old heavily intoxicated Arab man from Kuwait who claimed he had a bomb briefly held three Jewish teenagers captive in their Polish hotel room on Monday, police and officials said."
- "The three Brazilian teens, who were in Poland for the annual March of the Living Holocaust commemoration ceremonies, were accosted by the drunken man in their room at central Warsaw's Holiday Inn as they were getting ready to leave the hotel, said Aharon Tamir, deputy chairman of the March of the Living."
- "Although no Israelis were involved in the incident, security was briefly heightened for a separate group of 450 Israeli high school students currently in Poland, an Education Ministry spokeswoman said."
- "Around 10,000 people from around the world, mostly Jewish, took part in the 20th March of the Living on Thursday, an annual event at the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau that honors the memory of the six million Jews who perished in the Holocaust."
From the above (all in on article), we gather the following:
(1) "three Jewish teenagers", (2) "three Brazilian teens", (3) "no Israelis were involved" [Israeli Jews, Jewish Israeli's ?], (4) "mostly Jewish".
It seems from the above, that the Jersualem Post doesn't know the exact nationality of those 3 teens as well. Harry, any answers?
More confusion on whether an individual of Jewish extraction born outside of Israel is "Jewish", "country_abc Jewish", "Jewish country_abc", "Israeli" ... from the Jerusalem Post. This is pertinent to the current discussion because many (especially Harry) question which term is correct: "Polish Jew", "Jewish Pole", "Jew" ? Read on:
- "A 23-year-old heavily intoxicated Arab man from Kuwait who claimed he had a bomb briefly held three Jewish teenagers captive in their Polish hotel room on Monday, police and officials said."
- "The three Brazilian teens, who were in Poland for the annual March of the Living Holocaust commemoration ceremonies, were accosted by the drunken man in their room at central Warsaw's Holiday Inn as they were getting ready to leave the hotel, said Aharon Tamir, deputy chairman of the March of the Living."
- "Although no Israelis were involved in the incident, security was briefly heightened for a separate group of 450 Israeli high school students currently in Poland, an Education Ministry spokeswoman said."
- "Around 10,000 people from around the world, mostly Jewish, took part in the 20th March of the Living on Thursday, an annual event at the former Nazi death camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau that honors the memory of the six million Jews who perished in the Holocaust."
From the above (all in on article), we gather the following:
(1) "three Jewish teenagers", (2) "three Brazilian teens", (3) "no Israelis were involved" [Israeli Jews, Jewish Israeli's ?], (4) "mostly Jewish".
It seems from the above, that the Jersualem Post doesn't know the exact nationality of those 3 teens as well. Harry, any answers?
scorpio
17 May 2008
History / "Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
Hehe! :-) Well hey...I am an American / Polish citizen of 67% Polish and 33% Ukrainian ethnic roots, born in the USA, whose father (Polish and Ukrainian roots) is Greek Catholic and mother (100% Polish) Roman Catholic. I usually say I'm a Catholic for all intensive purposes, one and the same with slightly different traditions, since both adhere to the Vatican, currently living in Poland, and a very proud Pole, but my heart and soul also love "Kresy" (former Eastern Polish lands) and the rich history of Poland. Is this a sufficient enough definition of one's nationality? Places like Tarnopol, Lwów, Rohatyn, Brzeżany, Skałat, Krzemieniec, Tręmbowla are simply an integral and amazing piece of Polish history and culture. Talking about a mix of King Sobieski and Taras Bulba!!!
Cheers,
Scorpio
nah you are interesting as well ;) because when you talk about Jews and Yidish you talk like Russians on this forum "we have Russian Germans in our country" ;)
Hehe! :-) Well hey...I am an American / Polish citizen of 67% Polish and 33% Ukrainian ethnic roots, born in the USA, whose father (Polish and Ukrainian roots) is Greek Catholic and mother (100% Polish) Roman Catholic. I usually say I'm a Catholic for all intensive purposes, one and the same with slightly different traditions, since both adhere to the Vatican, currently living in Poland, and a very proud Pole, but my heart and soul also love "Kresy" (former Eastern Polish lands) and the rich history of Poland. Is this a sufficient enough definition of one's nationality? Places like Tarnopol, Lwów, Rohatyn, Brzeżany, Skałat, Krzemieniec, Tręmbowla are simply an integral and amazing piece of Polish history and culture. Talking about a mix of King Sobieski and Taras Bulba!!!
Cheers,
Scorpio
scorpio
24 May 2008
Law / How do you set up a company in Poland? [46]
Please go to the 2 links listed below. They contain excellent information from "PAIZ" in English.
1) Polish Business Law
2) Which Business form to Choose?
Good luck!
Please go to the 2 links listed below. They contain excellent information from "PAIZ" in English.
1) Polish Business Law
2) Which Business form to Choose?
Good luck!
scorpio
1 Jun 2008
scorpio
1 Nov 2008
Life / Reasons for moving to Poland [291]
"Reason for moving to Poland":
I came here to Poland to escape the boredom and the declining moral and cultural values of the USA. :) It's great here, especially the village life.
"Reason for moving to Poland":
I came here to Poland to escape the boredom and the declining moral and cultural values of the USA. :) It's great here, especially the village life.
scorpio
6 Mar 2009
Life / Good place to live in Poland (if you want to move on)? [66]
In the Carpathian foothills in south-east Poland, south of Tarnów. :-)
please where is the best place to live in the Poland
In the Carpathian foothills in south-east Poland, south of Tarnów. :-)
scorpio
7 Mar 2009
Love / Woman 23, man 47 years old. What do you think about ? [162]
I think it's great. I'm 45 and my girlfriend is 25. Things are fine between us and marriage may be in the horizon.
I think it's great. I'm 45 and my girlfriend is 25. Things are fine between us and marriage may be in the horizon.
scorpio
12 Apr 2009
Love / Top 5 Cities with most beautiful/ugly girls in whole Poland [65]
Agreed! How can one possibly attribute a trait such as 'beauty' to a city they are living in? There is no correlation between the beauty of a women and the city they live in. Absolute nonsense.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What is beautiful to one set of eyes may be average looking to another, and vice versa.
Think we have a candidate for most rediculous thread of the month award.
Agreed! How can one possibly attribute a trait such as 'beauty' to a city they are living in? There is no correlation between the beauty of a women and the city they live in. Absolute nonsense.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What is beautiful to one set of eyes may be average looking to another, and vice versa.
scorpio
13 Apr 2009
Love / Top 5 Cities with most beautiful/ugly girls in whole Poland [65]
Precisely. Every country, city, town, and village in the world has its variations of population appearances.
of course there is good and bad in every city/country.
Precisely. Every country, city, town, and village in the world has its variations of population appearances.
scorpio
3 May 2009
Real Estate / Foreigners can now buy houses in Poland [55]
Important for all foreigners wishing to purchase a house in Poland, please read this news item carefully.
Title: Foreigners can buy houses in Poland
Source: Polska Agencja Prasowa (PAP)
Warsaw, Poland - May 1, 2009
As of May 1, this year, European Union citizens can buy houses in Poland without any special permits, no matter whether they live or have ever lived in Poland.
Legal limitations on the purchase of agricultural and forest land by all foreigners will still be in force till May, 2017.
The above results from the foreign purchase of real estate law from May 1, 2004, which says that EU citizens cannot buy agricultural and forest land in Poland for 12 years, and houses for five years, after the EU accession.
Hope this helps as there have been numerous inquiries on these forums regarding the purchase of real estate by a foreigner.
Important for all foreigners wishing to purchase a house in Poland, please read this news item carefully.
Title: Foreigners can buy houses in Poland
Source: Polska Agencja Prasowa (PAP)
Warsaw, Poland - May 1, 2009
As of May 1, this year, European Union citizens can buy houses in Poland without any special permits, no matter whether they live or have ever lived in Poland.
Legal limitations on the purchase of agricultural and forest land by all foreigners will still be in force till May, 2017.
The above results from the foreign purchase of real estate law from May 1, 2004, which says that EU citizens cannot buy agricultural and forest land in Poland for 12 years, and houses for five years, after the EU accession.
Hope this helps as there have been numerous inquiries on these forums regarding the purchase of real estate by a foreigner.
scorpio
4 May 2009
Real Estate / Foreigners can now buy houses in Poland [55]
I know. That is why I included the line "...European Union citizens can buy houses in Poland without any special permits...".
I know. That is why I included the line "...European Union citizens can buy houses in Poland without any special permits...".
scorpio
31 May 2009
Language / Free and accurate Online Polish-English / English-Polish translator? [49]
An excellent Polish-English online dictionary can be found at: dict.pl
An excellent Polish-English online dictionary can be found at: dict.pl
scorpio
27 Jun 2009
News / Flood situation worsens in southern Poland [119]
My home and property is located on top of a mountain, between Zakliczyn and Gromnik, and I am lucky due to the slope of the land and how I have the drainage set up. The rain did not flood my house or property at all, so I am very lucky. My large basement is completely dry, not one drop of water. The only casualty on my land is one large apple tree which collapsed from the saturated water in the soil.
My home and property is located on top of a mountain, between Zakliczyn and Gromnik, and I am lucky due to the slope of the land and how I have the drainage set up. The rain did not flood my house or property at all, so I am very lucky. My large basement is completely dry, not one drop of water. The only casualty on my land is one large apple tree which collapsed from the saturated water in the soil.
scorpio
25 Aug 2009
Genealogy / LISIA GORA - village in Poland [16]
I live only 44 kilometers directly south of Lisia Góra in the Carpathian foothills near Gromnik. My family actually comes from Dąbrowa Tarnowska, which is only about 12 kilometers north of Lisia Góra.
The main road going from Tarnów to Warszawa (via Szczucin over the Wisła river) passes directly through Lisia Góra. The village has a beautiful church and a few other historical sites.
Is anyone out there who comes from that village?
I live only 44 kilometers directly south of Lisia Góra in the Carpathian foothills near Gromnik. My family actually comes from Dąbrowa Tarnowska, which is only about 12 kilometers north of Lisia Góra.
The main road going from Tarnów to Warszawa (via Szczucin over the Wisła river) passes directly through Lisia Góra. The village has a beautiful church and a few other historical sites.
scorpio
15 Dec 2010
Travel / In Poland, Can I cash an American Check? [14]
Hi,
I would like to write an American check to draw money from my U.S. based bank account, is this possible? There is a Citibank in a city near me, however, I don't have an account there. Would they cash a check for me anyway, and if so, what type of fee would they charge me for a $1,000 check? Thanks for any opinion.
Hi,
I would like to write an American check to draw money from my U.S. based bank account, is this possible? There is a Citibank in a city near me, however, I don't have an account there. Would they cash a check for me anyway, and if so, what type of fee would they charge me for a $1,000 check? Thanks for any opinion.
scorpio
30 May 2011
Travel / Most beautiful small towns / villages of Poland [49]
There are a plethora of beautiful small towns in Poland. Some of them are:
- Reszel
- Zakliczyn
- Lipnica Murowana
- Żabno
- Tyczyn
- Stary Sącz
- Leżajsk
- Bisztynek
- Głogów Małopolska
- Szydłów
- Klimontów
- Lubliniec
...and a few hundred more, too many to name.
Which town [small] in Poland, do you consider to be the most beautiful, and why?
There are a plethora of beautiful small towns in Poland. Some of them are:
- Reszel
- Zakliczyn
- Lipnica Murowana
- Żabno
- Tyczyn
- Stary Sącz
- Leżajsk
- Bisztynek
- Głogów Małopolska
- Szydłów
- Klimontów
- Lubliniec
...and a few hundred more, too many to name.