Genealogy / How many Jews lived in Poland and did they ever convert to catholicism, if so when? [62]

I'm curious about some distant family relatives named Lippmann. They emigrated on the Queen Mary to the USA. Their record lists them as American born citizens and their 3yr. old child also born in America. They emigrated in 1947 in their 30's. They had pronounced German accents as adults. Somehow this doesn't all add up. I have Polish Great-Grandparents who emigrated to the USA from Prussia who had to learn English, work very hard, and become naturalized citizens. Their "papers" didn't say they were "American citizens" when they arrived. What is going on here? I'm tired of "being in the dark" so-to-speak.

Genealogy / How many Jews lived in Poland and did they ever convert to catholicism, if so when? [62]

gregy741



Yes: They immigrated/not born in the USA. I believe they lived somewhere in Poland or Germany before WW2: Hence the heavy German accent. No "mistake" on the paperwork: I'm thinking it was some "special concession" via some diplomatic channels? Hence my inquiry if anyone has seen such a measure before? The had/have relatives in the UK.

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To Lyzko & Ironside; re. the notion of " 'beggars' can't be choosers...(as emigrees)": (From archives of PF)


Back to my distant relatives & their mystery Queen Mary manifest details: They were definitely NOT farmers. Once settled in TX, they had servants doing their household cooking and chores. [I wonder if THEIR parents emigrated to the US to claim free land in TX between 1890-1905 which would have allowed them to have been naturalized and/or born themselves in the USA.] I was told they had lived somewhere in Poland before WW2... ...many missing details.

Regarding the topic of this thread, I've read many reports of both forced and voluntary "conversions" of Jews to Catholicism. The Donmeh of Turkey represent another variation of this phenomenon, having "converted to" and "publicly practicing Islam" though remaining crypto-Jews privately (cf. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh). Throughout history, true Catholics have routinely become martyrs for the Faith rather than to deny it before forced conversion. In fact, Canon 1325 REQUIRES such martyrdom of Catholics. I know of no such chutzpad practice among Jews facing forced conversion. Does anyone? I sometimes wonder if Mohammed learned kitman and taqiyya from encountering crypto-Jews?

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I'm not sure what conclusion, Lyzko, you're trying to draw by your last statement (Spain)? My last comment was addressing imposture-of-conversion vs. martyrdom--a distinctly DIFFERENT set of realities. Personally, as a practicing Catholic, I do NOT consider crypto-Jews, crypto-Muslims, crypto-Masons, etc. as being CATHOLICS under any circumstances. Christ Himself says he will "spit out the lukewarm"! One does not "pretend" Catholicism before a God who reads men's hearts! Apparently, Stalin, Mao, Castro, etc.--other Luciferians had the same view whereas they simply murdered those who confessed Christianity--knowing they could not "re-educate" such persons. Among Jews who "converted" to Catholicism--I would ask: Did they ever publicly RENOUNCE Judaism? Unlike the imposture popes since the 1958 coup: There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christianity". You're one or the other. Not some chimera of the two.

Genealogy / How many Jews lived in Poland and did they ever convert to catholicism, if so when? [62]

All true Catholics are bound to believe/profess what the Church teaches through Her approved Commentaries. Regarding your assertions, here is what She teaches:

"But thou wilt say, "The Jews then did no sin in killing Christ, because they merely fulfilled the Scriptures." S. Athanasius (de Cruce) denies the inference. "For they did sin thus boldly against Christ, as fulfilling the words of prophecy, but merely of their own accord, so that the Prophet was not the cause of their acts, but their own free will." See on Acts 2:23. 24.

CORNELIUS À LAPIDE, The Great Commentary of Cornelius à Lapide.

Only those Jews who became Christians are considered "Catholic", such as St. Paul. God sent St. John the Baptist to prepare Jews for Christ, but most Jews rejected his preaching as well as that of Christ in His human Person. The New Covenant replaced the Old One effectively with Christ's Passion/Death/Resurrection. Jews who "convert" either become fuly Catholics or remain Jews--regardless of what they call themselves. Again: There is no such chimera as a "Jew-Catholic"--Polish or otherwise. Hence: "Judeo-Christianity" is an oxymoronic term--admittedly used widely, but incorrect.

Genealogy / How many Jews lived in Poland and did they ever convert to catholicism, if so when? [62]

Well Lysko...you really shouldn't tred where you don't know what you're talking about.
I won't guess as to your own beliefs, but they exhibit traces of indifferentism and free-thought. Both are considered heretical by Catholicism.
Thankfully, we don't need to debate the matter.
The established and verified dogmas of Catholicism are presented in DENZINGER, H. - RAHNER, K. (ed.), The sources of Catholic dogma (St. Louis, MO 1954). Therein you will find EVERYONE's true Catholicism. [Regarding your statements, I'll save you some time. cf. DS 1630-1633, and DS 2113-2114.]

web.archive.org/web/20110724134019/http://www.catecheticsonline.com/SourcesofDogma.php
Feel free to indulge yourself (for free). (...There's your "loving outreach".)

Genealogy / How many Jews lived in Poland and did they ever convert to catholicism, if so when? [62]


...so let me understand your point. You're saying that I should call myself a "fetus-adult" since I "hailed from being a fetus in the first place"? (I find the term demeaning since I try to use my adult capabilities.)

BTW: "dude" - 3. a person reared in a large city. How did you know I was raised in a large city?

Genealogy / How many Jews lived in Poland and did they ever convert to catholicism, if so when? [62]

Lyzko et al: THIS thread is titled to deal with Polish Jews who converted to Catholicism (that's with a Capital "C"). I addressed your smears against the Faith regarding private interpretation of Scripture by referring you to an approved source of Commentary on an approved Catholic version of Holy Scripture. I further directed you to the Source of Catholic dogma (a.k.a. Denzinger). Now you're continuing to try to speak indifferentism and posit your own views of what is anti-Semitism, Creationism, including defining Catholicism itself. This is my last post in this thread as it's clear that you choose to IGNORE the accepted and approved UNIVERSAL guides of Catholicism. I am not interested in and am censured from debate about that precious Faith which my Polish heritage has proven valuable and which my grandparents carried to this indifferentist, free-thinking, North American continent.

Lyzko: It is clear that it is YOU who HATE Catholicism and desire not to know it by its published doctrines. Why you would linger at a Polish Forum where it is likely for Catholics to gather is beyond my patience when you ignore any meaningful exchange of ideas. I wish you well with your meanderings...may you "meander into the One, True, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church of Christ". [The post-Coup/1958 Simulacrum is NOT Catholic anymore. cf. the Third Secret of Fatima and Our Lady of Good Success' prophecies. "Yes": That INCLUDES Wojtyla too.]