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arelis   
11 Apr 2016
Genealogy / Surname Szarałło/Szarało? [3]

Does anyone know something about the origin of the surname Szarałło (also spelled Szarało)? One of my great-grandparents had this name and I'm curious because it is quite unusual. My family is part of the Belarusian speaking minority in east Podlasie but that name doesn't sound Belarusian to me.

I did some quick looking on google and it looks like, along with villages in Bielsk County, there are people who also have this surname in Białystok and in some villages in Warmia-Masuria.

Is it possible this name is maybe from Jotvingians or Lithuanians? The double "łł" spelling seems to be used in Polish translations of Baltic names (for example Jogailo becomes Jagiełło and Radvila becomes Radziwiłł) and the ending "o" seems more common with Baltic than Slavic names. We know Jotvingians lived in Podlasie and part of Warmia-Masuria and some assimilated with Belarusians and Poles, so that was one possibility I thought of.

Any information would be helpful. :)
arelis   
29 May 2016
Genealogy / Surname Szarałło/Szarało? [3]

Thanks. That's interesting about your friend. I agree the 'Sz' could be Polonisation, it's somewhat similar to Lithuanian sound 'Š', and like you said some non-Polish people from the Commonwealth did take Polish sounding versions of their names. That side of my family mostly speaks Belarusian (or rather mixed Polish-Belarusian dialect) so that might be the case that the surname just took a Polish spelling because of living next to the Polish speaking territories.
arelis   
19 Dec 2016
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

Hi all, I'd really appreciate it if anyone had some info on what life was like for the Polish community in Manchuria (Manchukuo) during the Second World War, as well as what happened to them after 1945.

I know that during the war Poland and Japan had some good relations (despite declaration of war in 1941 from Polish govt. in exile) and that some Polish spies cooperated with Japanese, even under Manchukuo passports. I also found this website (ipgs.us/iwonad/artdirectory/polcolmanchuria.html) but it's mostly about pre-WW2. I saw another site (scienceinpoland.pap.pl/en/news/news,16635,poles-and-the-history-of-manchurian-harbin.html) which says that the Henryk Sienkiewicz school remained open until 1944, so that leads me to believe there were still Poles living there at the time and that Japanese allowed them to go about their lives without imprisoning or deporting them, so I suspect Poles were not considered enemy aliens by Japan?

But I'd really like to learn some solid info, such as how were Poles viewed and treated by Japanese authorities (for example were they seen as neutrals? or stateless after German/Soviet invasion?). Also, what happened to Poles still in Manchuria after the Second World War? The website I linked said they were there until 1949 (when Communist Chinese victory in the civil war forced them to leave) but did they mostly go back to Poland, or were there any that didn't want to live under Communism and instead managed to go to other countries?
arelis   
19 Dec 2016
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

Do you mean the Oyama Inn in Kumamoto? (seen near the bottom of this page) mansell.com/pow_resources/camplists/fukuoka/fuk_01_fukuoka/fukuoka_01/CivCamps.html

There were Poles there (a total of 48 from that source I linked, and labeled as mostly clergy/nuns). I'm not sure if the Oyama Inn was meant as a permanent internment place or a deportation point like for example the Manpei Hotel in Nagano which held Axis and neutral citizens (for example the Oyama Inn where Poles were held also had citizens of Axis nations, like Germans and Italians, and neutral citizens like Spaniards). In any case, I've definitely never read of Poles being placed in any kind of prisoner camps like enemy citizens (e.g. Brits, Americans, Dutch, etc.) during the war.

As for wikipedia as a source, I haven't yet been able to verify from a book or such, but it claims in its list of declarations of war ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarations_of_war_during_World_War_II ) that Japan rejected Poland's declaration in 1941, which would seem to mean (if it's true) that they did not regard Poles as enemies, unless they were holding some citizenship of another nation which was considered an enemy of Japan...
arelis   
19 Dec 2016
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

Ah, well I haven't seen anything like that. It would be helpful if you could provide a source for it. Regarding Poles outside the home islands, this source (ipgs.us/iwonad/artdirectory/polcolmanchuria.html) says that in 1942 there was a registration taken by a Polish organisation in Manchukuo to see who wanted to leave for Poland, and that 80% of Poles there elected to do so (however they were unable to until after the Chinese civil war). I haven't seen much evidence that Poles were interned in Manchukuo though, unless it was right near the end of the war. For example the wikipedia page about the Henryk Sienkiewicz gymnazium in Harbin says that the Japanese only closed it in 1944, so the Polish community had been allowed to operate it up to that point:

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimnazjum_im._Henryka_Sienkiewicza_w_Harbinie
arelis   
19 Dec 2016
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

I have been trying to find info, that's why I started this topic. :)
So far, I haven't seen any Poles listed as interned by Japan, either in Japan itself or other parts of the empire, with the exception of those held at the Oyama Inn. I'd be thankful if anyone knew otherwise, though, and had some sources on the topic. All sources I've found so far (such as the ones on Manchukuo I mentioned above) seem to indicate that for most of the war Polish communities still existed in Japanese territory and ran their schools and whatnot as before, albeit with some wartime restrictions on things like rationing and freedom of travel.

In the book Między Warszawą A Tokio. Polsko-Japońska Współpraca Wywiadowcza 1904-1944 by Kuromiya Hiroaki and Andrzej Pepłoński and the book From Information to Intrigue. Studies in Secret Service Based on the Swedish Experience, 1939-1945 by C.G McKay, it seems that despite Poland's declaration of war, Polish and Japanese intelligence agents continued to cooperate in Europe, and that Japanese authorities actually protected Polish agents from falling in to German hands (e.g. Michał Rybikowski was allowed out to operate out of the Japanese intelligence station in Stockholm.) Some agents (like Rybikowski) were even issued with Manchukuo passes under aliases to disguise them from German authorities.

I don't know though how any of that cooperation in Europe translated over to Japanese treatment of Poles in Asia. That's what I'm trying to figure out, and again from what I've read so far I've been seeing mixed views (on the one hand, Poles being allowed to operate schools and community organisations in Manchukuo until 1944, and on the other hand Poles interned at an inn in Japan alongside neutral and Axis citizens).
arelis   
20 Dec 2016
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

I found this link about internees in the Philippines. It has a few Polish names (e.g. Czeslaw J. Wolf or Willy J. Wawrzkiewicz) but they appear to be merely American citizens of Polish descent or Poles who took Filipino citizenship, rather than just Polish citizens. We need to be careful when checking lists of internees, because many Americans (who would definitely be considered enemy citizens by Japan) can have Polish names.

click on 'civilians' at the bottom:
battlingbastardsbataan.com/bob1.htm
arelis   
20 Dec 2016
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

Also, one thing I just noticed about the Poles interned at Oyama Inn is that they (along with the Germans, Italians, etc.) are only listed as being interned right at the end of the war, sometime between January to August 1945. There is no mention of Poles being interned there earlier. I know that Axis citizens (as well as stateless or neutrals like Jewish refugees) were allowed to reside in Japan for most of the war, so the fact that there were still at least 48 Polish nationals in Japan by 1945 to be interned (and the fact that they were held alongside former Axis and neutrals) leads me to suspect that, prior to this date, they had also been allowed to live in Japan without imprisonment.
arelis   
17 Feb 2017
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

Thanks Leliwa, that's very interesting information you've shared!
Can I ask, did your family stay in Manchukuo up to 1945? If so, would you mind sharing what happened to them after the Japanese left? I heard that when Soviets invaded it was a dangerous time for people like Poles still living there, so I was wondering, if your family was still there, how did they get out of Manchuria and did they go to Poland or somewhere else?
arelis   
24 Feb 2017
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

Thanks again Leliwa. It's a very interesting and perhaps not widely known history I think, definitely full of hardship but also a tale of survival and perseverance from those Poles.

I've been wondering, were there any Poles from Manchuria who were left stateless after the war ended? For example those who never got passports from the Second Polish Republic before 1945 and then didn't go back to Communist Poland to get citizenship? I thought I heard that some were offered citizenship in places like Canada or America if they went there, but I can't verify that. I don't know if any Poles during the 1930s or 1940s got nationality papers of Manchukuo? But if they did I guess they obviously would have been useless after 1945.
arelis   
3 Mar 2017
History / Looking for info on wartime Polish community in Manchuria [22]

Interesting, thanks again. So ethnic Poles could get passports from the Polish consul while living abroad in places like Manchuria? I didn't know that, I thought at that time the Polish nationality law required people to be resident on the territory of Second Polish Republic to apply for citizenship.
arelis   
18 Mar 2017
History / Question about the Polish exiles in Siberia 19th century? [3]

I've a couple questions concerning the Poles that were exiled to Siberia during the various failed uprisings against Russia in the 19th century and was wondering if anyone could help me?

1) Does anyone know the proportion of women compared to men who were exiled after the January Uprising, and whether there were any cases of family members who were not exiled themselves following an exiled relative/spouse/etc to Siberia?

I know that some wives of the Russian Decembrists followed their husbands in to exile, so it made me curious whether the same kind of thing is known to have happened among Poles, particularly after the January Uprising?

2) Does anyone know if there were any Polish exiles who escaped Siberia via an Asia-Pacific route to America or Europe? The reason I ask is I noticed Wikipedia claims in this article (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_Polish_political_exiles_in_Siberia) that some Poles planned to travel via Mongolia to China where they could board European ships, and I'm wondering if anyone knows whether this kind of thing was ever successful among Polish exiles?

I know the story of the Polish orphans who left Siberia via Japan in the 1920s, but I'm looking for examples from the 19th century.

Thanks.