UK, Ireland / What is the ONE thing that Polish people in UK have MOST problem with? [15]

I actually know more than one Polish person who is claiming benefits for the unemployed whilst working full time, quite a few actually and others who are doing fraud by using other peoples names to claim benefits even one neighbour who has 8 people in a 1 bedroom flat subletting and all claiming housing benefits whilst working full time.

UK, Ireland / What is the ONE thing that Polish people in UK have MOST problem with? [15]

Were you replying to me, well yes the problem with the system is the ones who commit fraud are the ones who get a lot of money whilst good people on benefits get their money stopped or cut down as they are easy targets.

On the news it seems to be more Romanian gangs doing larger crimes so every country has its problems.

Genealogy / I don't know what my Polish birth name was as we were never given spelling [9]

Could be, I am not sure how you would pronounce it, my father is sure its said like dono chick, so you say dan is spoken like don, is there a accent to it that makes it sound like a O is there too?

Genealogy / I don't know what my Polish birth name was as we were never given spelling [9]

All we know about my grandfather was that he just wanted a one night stand with my grandmother, the stereotypical pilot as he was in the air force during the war though father wasnt born until 1950, our grandmother said it was a common Polish name but grandfather could of lied to her, we did try contacting local historical places that keep records and they couldnt find my grandfathers name.

It could be czuk and chick sound similar if spoken or my grandmother misheard it.

Genealogy / I don't know what my Polish birth name was as we were never given spelling [9]

czyk sounds like chick or chk to me so I assume that part is correct

Spoke to my parents again today and they said again its a common surname but its hard to find due to muliple spellings

UK, Ireland / Why can't unemployed Polish people on benefits just leave UK and go home please? [240]

My experiences are mixed though, I have not met many lazy Polish workers but I have met many of them who are arrogant and say comments like "all British people are lazy" and basically say its survival of the fittest and its ok for them to have 2 or 3 jobs whilst UK born people have no work.

I come from a family that was on benefits as father became seriously ill when I was a child so I learned you have to work hard for everything, in my home town area they fired ALL the UK staff and now hire exclusively Polish and the mangement themselves complained because the owners told them they had to learn Polish as none of the workers spoke English! Which I find disgusting that they came to UK and cant even speak basic English, I think that should be a requirement to live here, and despite many Polish builders and such being hard workers they do terrible quality of work as it feels like its more get the job done rather than put love and care into their work.

Where I live now has a large Polish population so I have gone into the Jobcentre and EVERY time I go in I hear MORE Polish names called out than British! And when they are sitting down its strange they speak in English to everybody but the staff how they are getting free money(maybe they are just doing that to troll)

It says a lot when I see more Polish unemployed in my local area than Asian when theres just about the same amount of Asian people here.

And almost every Polish person I know who runs a business is doing tax fraud or using friends addresses as a business.

Sorry if that sounds like an attack its not meant to be.

By the way why is it ok to attack British people on benefits? It's a small amount of a large amount of genuine claimants but the media likes to focus on them and the ones who are on drugs or drink are easily noticable, you wouldnt know who is on benefits otherwise without getting to know them.

I think the benefits argument for immigrants though is a tough one, if you let them claim all benefits then some will just take advantage, it seems to happen a lot in the South people come across and bring relatives across for free healthcare then go back home, I can understand someone wanting a better life but when you have people born and bred here that cannot get support so why should people born and raised here get nothing whilst immigrants get something, I myself am disabled and have had my benefits cut over the last 2 years so I no longer get a carer and they are trying to force me onto jobseekers (I am happy to work but need support when working)

In a ideal world everyone would be looked at seperate be they immigrant or born here but thats impossible.

My downstairs Polish neighbour whom I like and are the nicest people you would meet and nicer than many people born here have lived here under 5 years but have a 2 and a half year old child which they get benefits for(but they do work) That is a bit cheeky I think as they havent been living here long and other people have low incomes and no support.

UK, Ireland / Polish striking due to anti-Polish UK feeling [58]

To be fair it will cause the Polish community far more harm then good, one of the main reasons people hire Polish people is that they see them as harder workers and do not complain as much which people say is due to things like even a low wage here is a high wage for Poland, and British workers have more rights in the workplace and know when to complain.

If Polish workers striked then their main advantage over British workers would be negated.

A factory in my home town area now hires ALL Polish and dropped the wages in regards to this, another factory originally closed down as it was cheaper to have foreign factories, when the Polish people started moving here they reopened the factories and gave minimum wage when it used to be over £9 and all overtime and weekends used to be double wages, and again they only hire Polish, discrimination is meant to be illegal but it happens.

Not getting at Polish workers by the way just saying they get work easier then British people due to postive discrimination/stereotypes.

UK, Ireland / Polish striking due to anti-Polish UK feeling [58]

Again to be fair I would say the majority of Polish workers are in the lower paid jobs such as factory work, cleaners, shop workers etc not in specialist jobs hence they do the lower paid jobs.

And I am quite serious when I say employers hire the Polish more, I can even link to an article from my home town which mentions that the owners made management do courses to learn Polish so they could speak to the staff!, but will be harder to get the proof you only get from living in area i.e instead of hiring locals they run a free bus service 15 miles away to a different town and a housing estate where all the local Polish live, now that is bad, as before they hired Polish workers they had such a surplus of applicants you needed to get a test in things like maths skills(since you were working in factory and had to work out how many of each item to use and when to change stickers etc) and timekeeping, even then they were turning people down for failing the basic test now they hire Polish who dont even speak English!

I am not attacking the local Polish community saying that though, just saying its relevant because the employers hire them as they have lowered the wages.

And this is a interesting thing, I was turned down for the company (despite having applied and been accepted in the past more than once) as was my friend, we reapplied at same time using foreign surnames and were offered the job without even coming to interview! The applications were identical in every other way, and also some friends of ours who had years of factory experience were rejected and we had none.

I dont mind immigration but we have gotten to a point where people are taking advantage now, I grew up in a area which had people from around the world and had no issues, had Japanese friend, Hungarian friend, French friend, German etc and never once did where they come from come up in a negative light, even had a local Lithuanian society and not once did the locals complain in fact locals used to drink with them and things would not be anywhere near as bad if people spoke English and mixed with locals instead of isolating themselves.

Sorry that might sound like a argument but its not its just some things I have noticed.

UK, Ireland / Polish striking due to anti-Polish UK feeling [58]

I am a little offended by you, and by the way I at no point did I say I was rejected for EVERY job I applied for, that is just you making assumptions, why are your assumptions somehow valid and mine not? I by then had found other work and work now but it is a fact that all my past employers(the ones that havent gone out of business) now hire majority Polish workers, the main one is holiday parks, I am of the mind that the BEST person should get the job, I do not mind where that person comes from but being Polish does not automatically make the best, I grew up in a very poor family to the point we had to wear about 4 layers of clothes at winter and we only had heating on 1 day a year, at most other times it was under a hour a day, I owned 1 pair of trousers and shoes, my diet was home made lentil soup and we lived in a house with mice, and damp so bad that a few years ago an inspector broke his leg testing the wood by stamping on it and it broke, because I grew up in a poor family I have a good work ethic, EVERY job except one where the boss bullied me I used to get letters from the bosses saying I was the number 1 or top 5 employee out of HUNDREDS! I was even BEGGED to stay at multiple jobs only AFTER we had a large Polish community that I struggled to find work, and by the way I have a degree in computer programming and until recently worked for a large company that did work around the world.

Here is a link but its a old one, since then the company now hires ONLY Polish but the article is so old, newsandstar.co.uk/news/bosses-are-polishing-up-on-their-polish-1.331653.

The very first paragraph even mentions about how they are learning to speak to the migrant workers, lets see you wriggle out of that one.

The reason I am offended as it seems to be that you think that unless something can be proven it is wrong, and then quick to go on the offensive accusing me of being unable to get a job.

By the way it was the same employer that the management had to learn Polish that turned me down till I used my Polish birth surname (since you know, I am of mixed Polish and Maltese heritage)

I suppose you will assume the fact the same factory runs free buses to a Polish housing estate as a lie too despite it being well known in different towns in the region.

Not everything is an attack on Polish people, to argue with it is actually more offensive since you are making judgements on people, from your other comments on this thread it does seem you are basically saying you do well and since you are a one of a few people with a high skill set that means no one is allowed to have any issue with the other 99.9% of people.

I am proud to have Polish blood in me, in fact many times I am more proud of that than English blood, I see the good in all people, but that doesnt mean I cannot also see the problems.

And for your information the reason in the past when I have been out of work is due to disability.

UK, Ireland / Polish striking due to anti-Polish UK feeling [58]

If it was offensive then it would be unintentional unlike your comments.

What would be offensive would be to say that 99.9% of Polish people have no skills, me saying 99.9% was simply a comment that the majority of Polish people here are doing work such as factory, cleaning, shop, or a little more skilled like builders(but not a job where theres a shortage of people already skilled)

Its not literally 99.9% but its the majority or do you deny that theres more Polish people in most working class fields?

Literally the only jobs I have seen Polish people do outside of the things like factory or builders is a single building where all the dentists were Polish, and they went back to Poland after a few years anyway.

I am not the sort of person that lets say I am in the workplace and have to work with a Polish person am going to refuse, if anything I would probably enjoy it because I would talk about where they come from and what brought them here over a British person, I will not be raising the pitchforks just like though the vast majority of my Polish neighbours over the years have been a nightmare I still get on well with the few ones I have had no problems with.

Still you were the one quick to make certain comments thats why you want to bring up other peoples faults, I do not know if its because you feel like you are the victim or just not a friendly person either way if you never made such comments in the first place it would never of come to this.

UK, Ireland / Polish striking due to anti-Polish UK feeling [58]

Either you are a troll or just not intelligent enough to look at things outside of how you want to look at them.

I never said 99.9% of Polish people as a whole for example but that seems to be what you assume I said, because I would guess theres a lot of people in Poland who have high skill sets but they do not come across here as they do not need to.

Are you really that petty or nasty to really twist something around to your own bias.

You never denied that the majority were in certain jobs yet you take offense when I make a comment that basically says that, how would you propose we get the real figure then, lets say it was 84.69 would you want the exact amount? Either way it shows the majority would be of certain work groups.

And in reality how many high skilled Polish workers do you think are across here? Bear in mind that Polish people overall make up a minority of the UK population.

UK, Ireland / Polish striking due to anti-Polish UK feeling [58]

Its quite funny how Wulkan is basically attacking British people every chance they can get such as calling people subhuman, yet quick to mention how they have such a great life yet if anyone gets annoyed they turn round and act like the victim.

Its a shame as I have no issue with Polish people but they seem to just want to cause an argument, I suppose its easier to play a victim card and say everyone else is evil than admit their own personal faults.

UK, Ireland / What do you hate about England and English people? [142]

Well you get bad people in Scotland too but its in a different way, As a Scotsman with Polish grandparents I have had more hate for purely being Scottish in England than anything else I remember at university being in the halls and another student giving me nasty looks, yet he was friends with everyone he started shouting at me saying his taxes pay for Scottish students and Scotland steals money from England (he was 18, never worked a day in his life and from middle class family)

It was a similar story elsewhere, its the chicken or the egg scenario as during the World Cup the media reports how English people are the victims of racist abuse and attacks from Scottish people and its lies or twisted and never on how Scottish people are attacked in England, I had a friend attacked with bricks by a group of teenagers and scarred for life that barely made the local English paper which even said "he must of started it" had a friend threatened with a knife in a bar for being Scottish.

And some English people complaining during a world cup when they walked into a SCOTTISH bar wearing England football uniform and swearing about the "racist Scots" as they walked through the door despite the locals offering them free drinks and wanting to shake their hands and be friends with them and telling them its just done in fun and they like the English, but they refused the hospitality and then tried complaining more like "how dare they offer us a free drink"

UK, Ireland / What do you hate about England and English people? [142]

My mother is English and she notices the anti Scottish things over the years, I have a English accent despite being Scottish (more the fact I dont use slang apart from "aye") I have never had a problem in Scotland outside of people who are scum and would have a problem with anyone regardless

Some of the things that annoy her is that in Southern Scotland their local news is from Newcastle and covers parts of Yorkshire in fact only a few minutes a week if lucky on Scotland, how if England does well in a sporting event(or anything) its a success for England,if they fail its a BRITISH loss, if Scotland or Wales does well its a BRITISH victory, if Scotland fails its a SCOTTISH loss they are glory hogs.

My dad told me when he first met my mother (in Portsmouth) a drunken navy guy came in, turned to him and said "I hate all Scottish, you are scum" and tried hitting my dad but was so drunk he fell over.

When I studied in Carlisle my flatmates said Scotland was inferior to England at sports, education, even acting, in shops I would hear people talk about Scottish people being idots and scum etc.

In my experience most Scots (outside the stereotype chav/criminals) are more willing to be friendly to the English until they get a racist comment back at which point they give as good as they get, whilst in England its hate hidden as "jokes" or they believe the biased media.

Over the years the English comments I hear is that every Scottish person has watched and worships the film "Braveheart" we are drunk every night on Buckfast, we all eat junk food, that it is always raining in Scotland even just over the border, that every Scottish person hates England.

Hey during the referendum last year we couldnt win, Yes voters were called names such as hating England, or being uneducated, No voters were told they were only voting no as they know how good they have it from English taxes and either way it was used as an attack on Scotland

People in Scotland hate how people in England even more so the youth talk about 1966 as if they are gods because of it when it is 50 years ago.

So basically we feel like England sees itself first and Scotland as the poor uneducated ones.

I have a English mother, Scottish father, Polish grandfather so I am a mix of people

Traditonally Scottish people got on better with Northerners especially from Newcastle but I notice in recent years people from Newcastle have gone the opposite way hating Scotland maybe more than southerners.

Love / Do Polish men think that Polish girls are materialistic and demanding ? [37]

British women arent much better its just done in different ways, they want to be independant but have a man for backup or a safety net.

Its like a saying we have here, but I may have to simplify it so you understand, "what belongs to me is mine, what belongs to you is mine also" is how many womens minds work here, if a woman does well in a job its her money not for the family, if a man does well its for the whole family and if she wants money you have to give it to her. A smaller example is women still want the men to bring them presents whilst never buying them back even if the man is in a low paid job and the woman earning a lot she still buys none for him and expects him to buy ones for her.

One of my exes was so bad when I lost my job I was living off bread for a month and she was eating in cafes every day and complained I did not buy her food, and when I had not eaten for 2 days I asked her for her leftover food and was told "dont be greedy its my food, women are not meant to support men" making out how weak I was for even asking.

Its just due to changes in the perception of women over the decades, being equal means some old things that benefitted women are ignored its why British women like to date a man who treats them badly and they want to change him, they like the power to control him and make him good enough for them not thinking about his needs (even the nice guys they want to change)

I have in the past been approached by women in bars and during the conversation they ask what job you have, if you mention a low paid job they walk off, on a lesser way you get women approaching men in bars all the time demanding free alcohol "because men buy women drinks" and if you buy one then after a few drinks run out of money they walk away to next guy to get more free drinks I have multiple times been approached by women saying "if you buy me a drink I will talk to you" if you say no they get agressive and even tell you are not good enough to speak to them unless you buy them a drink.

I even saw an article in a womans magazine I was reading at my doctors surgery telling women how to go on a Saturday night with £5 emergency cash, get taxis to the city, free drinks all night, free food on way back and free taxi home and still have the £5 by describing things like look for the guy who is the most drunk and flirt with him, if he refuses to buy you a drink walk to another drunk guy and ask him, if you go to the bar pretend you have lost your purse or cry to the staff to get sympathy drinks.

It was all teaching women to use men just for money.

Essentially British women are more manipulative and play the victim.

Love / Do Polish men think that Polish girls are materialistic and demanding ? [37]

Of course it happened but how was I meant to know in advance she was like that, she seemed very sweet when we met and friends who knew her said she was a nice girl.

She was just spoiled by her parents that she was the only important person, in her twenties she never left home, got her parents to cook and clean for her.

It is about nationality in the sense that I was meaning girls from any country can be that way.

Love / Do Polish men think that Polish girls are materialistic and demanding ? [37]

I think you misunderstand what I mean, there is a basic similarity in women from different countries, women in the UK like to change a man to what they want and choose a loud man who is confident as they see him as strong and they "tame" him a guy who is naturally less confident and/or more relaxed is seen as dull theres a saying about "thinking with your head not your heart" they like the idea of having the power to change him.

The only thing I would say specifically is based on what was said about Polish women, it seems Polish women are colder and more direct about what they want, British women play games(and women from other countries too but only going by the 2 listed) like pretending to cry to make you feel sorry for them or act the victim by saying they are women therefore weaker so a man has to help them, it even happens in the workplace women refusing to lift heavy boxes then demanding men do them as they are stronger, its all about making a man feel guilty and sorry for a woman so he looks after her even if shes a stranger rather than them being rude to get their way.

In a non relationship way I have spoken to many young women who talk about how they are victims for just being women and "men have it easy" it doesnt matter if they are from middle class or wealthy homes and had a easy life they say just being female means they have it harder than men it was the same mentality my ex had, one of my female flatmates once tried hiting me and chucking stuff at me so I grabbed her by her hands and she threatened to get spread rumours about me being the one to attack her if I didnt let go and have her attack me,

So from what is said Polish women are more upfront about their intentions, British woman want you to feel sorry for them whilst providing for them.

And British (as well as American women as well and more just these few are what I heard) like to keep the best of the old with the best of the new i.e claim to want equality but can get away with things like violence or criminal acts and say they cant of done it as they are women therefore weak.

There has been a few documentaries on the BBC recently that cover things like female violence, one had a guy who was stabbed by his violent wife and beaten before that many times and people didnt believe him, there was online articles where a man was a victim of domestic violence himself for years and again a woman tried to stab him but this one failed and the comments were talking about how he was a wimp, how a woman cant hurt a man, and how he cant be all innocent and they reckon he must of been bad to her for her to abuse him!

Its a social problem, women are seen as weaker and gentle so get away with a lot and know this so manipulate men in the UK.

I had a friend who was the victim of a manic depressive/bi polar girlfriend she was so violent she was banned from working, could not get buses, banned from doctors and in public attacked him regularly such as choke him or punch him, she calmed own when pregnant until the baby was born (maybe hormones?) then became more violent than ever, me and some friends vistied one day and she punched him knocking his tooth out, hit him with a lager can, then lifted up a chair.

Shortly after he left her and she was granted custody of the baby as the government could not believe a woman was violent.

UK, Ireland / What are these ex tenants from Poland doing? Crammed into apartments - scams? [18]

When you are tired in the morning and dont see the name on it clearly or the handwriting makes name hard to read then yes.

Plus I have disabilities and its not that its illegal, you can open letters under certain circumstances and its not as bad if its opened when arrived its before arrival.

They have moved back to Poland? Thats why they are applying for jobs in Britain soon.

Here in the UK the reasoning they dont understand is not an excuse,

"oh I dont understand English so didnt realise I dont have to pay my taxes and tell the authorities where I am" Um that wouldnt hold up in court.

And Ironside when you have had police at the door looking for ex tenants you will understand,

And the rent in my flat is £50 per week, I hardly think thats a lot if 2 people are here and there is even apartments locally that are as little as £30 per week for 2 bedrooms as they are in a poor area.

UK, Ireland / What are these ex tenants from Poland doing? Crammed into apartments - scams? [18]

Just stop trolling will ya?

UK, Ireland / What are these ex tenants from Poland doing? Crammed into apartments - scams? [18]

No I am speaking the truth so either you are a troll an idiot or both.

By the way I have had problems with neighbours from different countries, had British drug dealer neighbour before, had places where British neighbours have stolen things but its never been consistent, where the Polish neighbours I have had have all done the same sort of things.

And even then I know not all Polish people are the same It could be a specific type of Polish person which is the whole point, its like how people on benefits in the UK can do scams(as can anyone else) so I was trying to work out if it was a specific scam SOME Polish young males did rather than accuse Polish people.

Or are you just a racist?

UK, Ireland / What are these ex tenants from Poland doing? Crammed into apartments - scams? [18]

That confuses me, as technically no one has the money to spend without working or claiming benefits.

And no idea how that relates to what I said too much as many people in the UK are on minimum wage too.

I cant say much about the ones who lived in my flat before me but at 2 of the previous properties they had money for beer and luxuries one even got drunk every night and he was the one subletting his apartment.

UK, Ireland / What are these ex tenants from Poland doing? Crammed into apartments - scams? [18]

To be clear again what I meant was I am trying to work out if this is a specific part of a certain culture amongst certain young Polish poor males just as in the UK we have bad people on benefits or if it was just a strange coincidence as it seems to common to be a coincidence but I doubt its widespread but trying to get to the bottom of it.