History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

I for one am grateful to the Soviets for their effort in the war. I do also feel ppl try to minimize their role in winning the war. One person here claimed there were allies who had helped with that. Yes, but not to the degree that the Soviets did. And those allies at the beginning of the war were actually sympathetic to the Nazi's and saw their crusade against Communism a just action.

Katyn, a lot - no - most Poles always throw that out there. What happened to those officers and elites is of course terrible but until 1953 everyone accepted that Katyn was a Nazi crime. Has anyone here actually heard the Russian arguments claiming it was a Nazi crime?

Katyn aside, and agreeing it was a terrible crime, how do most Poles still use Katyn and retaking kresy as an argument to still have a dislike towards Russia BUT at the same time be able to forgive and forget all Germany has done? It's incredible how much Russophilia exists in Poland. Lech Wałęsa once even suggested that Poland and Germany should unite! This was recent in an article from Onet. If we're going to use history as a pretext for dealing with our neighbors presently then if one was consistent we would not have very many friends around us.

History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]


This is a prime example of Polish russophobia, blame Russians for what happened to Warsaw in '44; not the Nazi's that actually murdered about 200,000 of the civilians and destroyed 80% of the city, never mind the confiscated or stolen works of art. No let's blame the Russians.

The airplane that was shot down by the Russians, use some logic, if not the lack of evidence that show Russians had nothing to do with it. Russians showed their satellite pictures and dared NATO and the US to do the same, did they? No. The Russians also questioned Kiev why they had even allowed for a civilian aircraft pass through a war zone, Kiev still hasn't answered. Also there was a deleted BBC footage showing a lady interviewing some civilians about the crash that claimed it was an aircraft that shot it down. It was never aired on BBC, only YouTube. A slow clap for your arguments sir, you represent Poles well especially when you wish for the death of a people who you consider sub human... I guess you learned something from the Nazi's.

History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

You seem to not have any need for intellectual debate. You dismissed any arguement I presented and went right into russophobe mode.
Why would you call me a Nazi when it's you who are preaching Nazi doctrine?

History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

I must admit I'm finding it hard to follow what you are talking about. Shooting down innocent civilians? You're blaming Russians but then you say you don't care who did it? From what I can see and I can post many video sources for you it's the new Kiev government bombing Donbas. Much like Tudjman bombed the Serbs out what he considered Croat territory. All events in East Ukraine have very many similarities with Yugoslav wars. So I do agree with you innocent are being killed however I think you're pointing the finger in the wrong direction. That's besides the point, this was supposed to be a discussion about WWII. We left off when you ignored Nazi atrocities and can't help but blame Russians for their crimes. If you wish to discuss that further please do. Also, it's in very poor taste to assume I'm Russian; and throwing allegations that I have a missile to my neighbor? Your comments reveal that you have low intellect and poor etiquette.

History / Are Poles grateful to the Russians for winning the war? [120]

Not exactly. While the Soviets were indeed cruel and did persecute Poles that were part of the western gov't (AK rebels) they did not create a ghetto pot concentration camps to the general public. The Nazi's had a plan to systematically liquidate the Polish population; germanise those who would be able to and destroy anyone who wouldn't be able to be "rehabilitated". Yes, the Soviets destroyed any challenge to foreign influence coming from the outside. But they did not persecute the civilian population. Do any of you here have contact with relatives from Poland? Grandparents? I know that from my side of the family that not one of our family members were ever persecuted during Soviet rule.