Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi again Peter, yes, well keep watching................it may be a while yet though, am still battling with learning this site. I ordered that Book yesterday by the way...............all the best Bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi Pete! Yes got & read the Book, very good reading & info on the Polish Pilots & an insight into it all, I have many Books on it, this one however is excellent. No mention of either of my Pilots in here though. I do have a lot of information already, & the surviving Pilot that knew them,who I have contacted has more to tell me too. But as yet Ive heard no more....................patience is a virtue I'm told.................... But by our corresponence alone, this has kept this Post alive & with luck someone who is a relative may get to hear about it or see it & respond, fingers crossed ! atb Bernie

herewith a Photograph of these 2 Pilots,that I am seeking relatives or friends/colleauges of?

Sorry I couldnt upload the Photos that I have as they are bigger than allowed it seems.
I would like a photo of Bronislaw franciszec Wydrowki's Grave in Poland, he is remembered on the website: niebieska eskadra. They had no photos of him on their memorial, so I sent them one,which theyve added, & recently I sent them another too, which will soon be added. BUT neither I nor they have a Photo of his Grave either! , Can anyone help with a Photo please?

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi Pete, Yes I have loads of infromation, from many different sources in Poland & the UK too. Czternasteks grave is nearby to me & I have visited it & placed some red & white flowers there & shall go again on rememberance Sunday. I have a comprehensive amount of info, which ive filtered & sorted, as much was incorrect, but would like more before I write it all up. If I can speak with members of their families before I do so that will be perfect. But sadly many Pilots families were murdered or killed long before the Pilots returned to Poland, if they ever did that is, most Pilots did not & made new homes in the uk or worldwide. Many Pilots were killed on their return or interned by the communist regime. Wydrowski did return & survived,living until 1.1.94, but he may have laid a very low profile & anyone associated with him could or would be very tight lipped back then & maybe even more so now. Many poles want to forget the War, NOT remember it, they got a raw deal out of it from all sides didnt they!

I have supplied niebieska eskadra ( the memorial site for Polish Airmen of ww2) ( look it up) with 2 good photos of wydrowski when they didnt even have one photo of him. The Polish afa are on board with me together with other noted Poles, Polish & English authors & various raf people. I will get there, as many kind people have also looked & found bits & pieces which theyve relayed to me,Plus Ive a dozen or so Books on it all, Ive been researching this for 2 years. I am in contact with a Pilot who is nearly 97 & was at college with them & knew them both, though he flew in different squadrons to them both. They all left Poland together after the september collapse of the paf. he has things to tell me too, & I am patiently awaiting his further reply. a memorial close to where they crashed in a RC Church or little Chapel, is my plan. & maybe some more writings yet, I'll see how it goes, Ive always wanted to go to Poland & that would be my Goal if I found family members, to take a nice memorial for their families to keep. We only tread this path of life once & I feel that I will be happy if I can achieve this Goal. thanks for your input Pete all the best Bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hello Joanna ! That is fantastic thankyou very much, I will be in touch with you again very soon, & can tell you quite a lot & even more when I have finished, I have spoken to a surviving colleague of Bronislaw & Stanislaw.who when Ive seen him will also tell me more. I am planning a memorial too.

best regards Bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi Pete Thanks mate, yes its great to hear from Bronislaws grand daughter & I hope to fill in a lot of gaps in my information & hopefully clarify things for her too.I shall be speaking to her soon I hope. It will be even better if a member of Stanislaws family appears, but he wasnt married as far as I know, so probably had no children & his parents may have perished too, but we shall see........ I will let you know how it goes.................my Goal is getting closer now! all the best mate Bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi again everybody! Its been almost 1 year since I joined this site, to try to fin relatives of 2 Polish Pilots who crashed near my Home in Kent UK, on 5/12/1941. I have been contacted by the Grand daughter of Bronislwaw Wydrowski who has given me lots of information about Bronislaw (Bruno) But so far no one who is a relative of Stanislaw Czternastek has appeared? can any one help? best regards Bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi Paulina ! Many thanks for your kind reply! I do have lots of information that is on the internet from the Polish & british war records etc & am in contact with Wojtec matusiac too! I have all czternasteksraf & Polish air force records/photos from the Polish september campaign also. I have several photos of him & have been in contact with all the sources that you mention. But cannot find any surviving relatives. I have even been in touch with a Polish ex Pilot, who remembers both Pilots from deblin who lives in the Uk & is 98 this year! the other Pilot Bruno Wydrowski has a surviving sister of 100 yrs old & a son,daughter & grandchildren who I am in touch with. But as it was czternastek who was killed in the collision, I really would like to find direct relatives of him, before we do the memorial...............Its very kind of you to offer to search for me with a thread, that would be great. Perhaps it would be good if you could state that I do have lots of info about czternastek, but its just relatives or information that isnt already held that I need, to save lots of people sending what is widely available on the internet. I dont want people to waste their time you see. best wishes & thanks again, Bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi thanks for that! I'd heard '14' mentioned when reading about Czternastek & wondered what it meant, now I know great! I dont suppose you know any family of his do you?

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hello Paulina! I have just seen a reply from someone also called Stanislaw czternastek age: 37,on that website that you made enquiries on!! who has a relation in France who may know something, who is the eldest member of the czternastek family, he is writing to her for information. his reply was 20th january (20/1/15) I dont know whether you have seen it & would like to ask him some more for me? best wishes & thankyou again for your great help with this. you can give him my email address if you like b.boulding@mypostoffice.co.uk Bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi paulina, thats great many thanks to you,whenevr you have time will be just fine, then maybe I will at last find some relatives of SC , or more info at least. I will take a look at that site now, best regards Bernie

Hi Paulina! I have just today seen a NEW reply on the website saying about a Brother & or a Son, but the translation is bad, + I cant login to the website as there is a problem. would you be able to speak with the persons & tell me what it says......................I am so close now I think, but cannot do it without help! best wishes Bernie

Hi Joanna, I have sent you an email, but thought Id message you from here too, there has been some recent contact about czternastek & mention of a brother/son too, can you contact me I need help now please if you can, all the best bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi Paulina thats great thank you. gap (Gapa) is a polish Pilots historical magazine,I gave them a little more info a couple of years back, since then I have found out much more. the article they have written hasn't got all the information that I have here. also the location of the accident I have too & loads more info. they promised to send me a copy of the Magazine but never did.I need to speak with these people, the writer who spoke to andrzewski, andrzejeweski himself too, perhaps you could put a request that they contact me via email if they speak English, as the translator programme is no use for these matters........................If I have email contact details for them that will be a great help. So is it Czternasteks brothers son or Czternasteks son who is still alive, what is his name, what was his brother who has died's name etc etc? a lot to ask I know, but Wydrowskis sister is 101 yrs old now & i want to get the story done while she is alive to read it so it is important I get to know all this. I will ask Wydrowskys grand daughter to help but I think she may be away at this time, as I have heard nothing yet from her. thanks again for you kind help here, best wishes Bernie

I have just seen on dws.org.pl website, that a Nephew of Stanislaw Czternastek the Polish RAF Pilot (1916-1941) is alive somwhere. I would like his name & contact details please if anyone can help? also the name of his brother who sadly died a few years ago & any further details of ANY family of Stanislaw Czternastek

Czternasteks Brother died in 2006, but his brothers Son (Nephew) is alive I have heard

I have just sent an email to Zenon Andrzejewski, hope I have got the correct email, but if anyone has the email for him please post it here many thanks...........getting closer to my quest by the hour now!

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi again Paulina, Thank you so much for that. I cant recall how I tried to contact him before, but I only found an eamil address for him a few days ago, but as you say that may well be wrong. But now there is a known living Nephew (Brothers Son) it does sound promising. I will be around should you have anything more to tell & be watching that website too. Best regards to you & thanks again Bernie

Hi Paulina, I see the moderator has answered. he spoke warmly to him a few days ago, now says its not possible to give us an email? I am very dissappointed with what he says. I have found all the correct information about czternastek & wydrowski where others have failed or not bothered with czternastek & wydrowski being written many wrong things about the incident, it seems they want to use my knowedge but tell me none of their knowledge.

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi paulina ! sorry I got a bit worried there! well..........basically this. I have spent nearly 4 years now on this & have found out the truth of what happened. I have documents of the people who tended the crashed planes.I have reports on the Mission, I have found wyrowsky's family & got more of the story about him . I have everything I need to write the true story correctly. The details that mr Andrzejewski had got wrong, I can give him, so he can correct his story published on the internet. I am in contact with someone who lives near me who actually saw the Accident happen ! I also have the report from the air crash/Police?ambulance/Fire people who attended the crash & found Czternastek .also I shall inform all the other websites & the paf of the correct details when I have finished too. I want to arrange a memorial locally here, but as it was Czternastek who was killed I need to contact a family member out of pure courtesy before I do it. when I have done this, I will write the full story & make sure that the records are set straight with everyone. I need to know the name,age, of czternasteks brother who died in 2006 & any other siblings too, even if now dead. & anything else possible about him. & also the same, name approx age?of his Nephew too[/b]. also, I cannot register with the dws website,part of the registration process is missing (where you copy a word?) If I can join the website it will save you too much work paulina, you have been so good helping me, I am really grateful. My grandfather was of Polish parents, so it is personal to me & because I met many Poles who stayed here after the war, & have great respect for the Poles & want to see the records of these 2 Brave young men put down correctly for all to see. so what do you think? Its a lot to ask you I know, but it is for a good cause ! (;-) best regards bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi Paulina ! brilliant, I will try to register soon .................well if he speaks english, yes his phone number will be good, if he doesnt I would still like it & if you are too busy maybe I can ask Wydrowskis granddaughter to ring, or another polish person I can telephone at weekends for 1 hour for FREE..................His address for corresponebce too please will be great or someone who can print off & pass him emails maybe yes the nephews name/age any other details about him, also anything about the dead brother, then If they dont know any more I have something to help me start a big search for/about them both until tthe nephew is found........what dyu think? (;-) bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Paulina you are a STAR That is fantastic thankyou so much, we will watch this space now! (:-) Bernie

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi Paulina! I'm glad I chose the right words then (;-) ...........I have joined dws website ok,.................BUT cannot post??? I write a post after converting the page to english with the translator programme, but when I try to post it, the message dissappears, then says there are too few characters in this message!, I ve tried re-writing the message, (half a page) the same happens......possibly because I'm writing in english I think, I dont know whether I can get this to work, do you know if its possible? maybe you can ask. But it doesnt matter too much, if You can keep posting for me, but I know you are busy & dont want to give you too much work. Still maybe if any more news comes you can let me know.................so for now we will watch space...............& S t a r s * * * * (;-))

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

brilliant, Ive sent you a pm.

Hi paulina the maximum no of messages is stored in your system, so the pm hasnt been sent, I think you need to clear some old messages maybe? thanks bernie

Hello to everyone, I have now located a Nephew of (his Brothers Son) Stanislaw Czternastek,1916-1941, Polish Air Force & RAF Pilot, killed in action near my Home in Kent UK on 5/02/1941. He is Leszec Czternastek,who lives in Leblin. I am writing him a message soon.

Thanks to Paulina who has worked very hard helping me & translating for me too. If anyone knows of any other relatives (rodziny) of Stanislaw, please let us know on here. or send a message to Paulina Thanks again to you all.............. Bernie (PolishPilotinfo)

Genealogy / Stanislaw (Jan) Czternastek & Bronislaw Wydrowski - searching info on Polish War Pilots [45]

Hi , thats good news, thankyou ok I will email you shortly, best regards Bernie

hello to everybody, at long last I have been contated by a living relative of Czternastek,a Grandson of Czternasteks cousin, living here in England. He in turn is contacting his Uncle in Poland, who is a closer Relative from near Przemysl. Also I am awaiting a reply from another Relative (Czternasteks Nephew) so if there is anyone else who would like to contact me that would be great, as I am soon to organise the Memorial & service here in the UK. best regards from Bernie in the UK................(PolishPilotinfo)