ShelleyS
22 Oct 2007
ShelleyS
2 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
Yawn, can we try calling out of work people in England something else!
What about Polish people working in the UK and buying property in Poland are they not contributing to this?? Foreign investors are a minority!
I would say that this is not the norm, so a slight exaggeration on your part I would say, also reading takeabreak doesnt count for 'news'!
Nobody is denying this, the problem that people seem to have is the vast numbers of Polish people coming to England the size of the country
England 80,823 sq miles or 209,331 sq. km - Polulation 60,772,238 estimates July 07
Poland 120,726 sq miles or 312,680 sq. km - Population 38,518,241 estimated July 07
you work it out why people are getting a little bit concerned that our tiney island is getting a tad over crowded, the Polish are only getting the brunt of it because of the sheer numbers that have arrived.
but what about the jobs the lazy on the dole/benefits Brits don't want to do ??
Yawn, can we try calling out of work people in England something else!
and what about foreign investors buying Polish property/land and pushing prices up ... is it a surprise Poles will come to UK to take jobs with better wages ?
What about Polish people working in the UK and buying property in Poland are they not contributing to this?? Foreign investors are a minority!
There are many articles about UK families happy to have 8-10 kids and live off the system ..... one recent such article stated the mother was hoping her child would be diagnosed with a 'disability' so they would get more benefits !
I would say that this is not the norm, so a slight exaggeration on your part I would say, also reading takeabreak doesnt count for 'news'!
In general I believe the Poles who are over here in UK are hardworking and an asset to society :o)
Nobody is denying this, the problem that people seem to have is the vast numbers of Polish people coming to England the size of the country
England 80,823 sq miles or 209,331 sq. km - Polulation 60,772,238 estimates July 07
Poland 120,726 sq miles or 312,680 sq. km - Population 38,518,241 estimated July 07
you work it out why people are getting a little bit concerned that our tiney island is getting a tad over crowded, the Polish are only getting the brunt of it because of the sheer numbers that have arrived.
ShelleyS
2 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
I said this last year, tensions are rising in the UK amongst the masses, its not just your low life cant work wont work chav thats grumbling and having a downer on Poles its a lot wider than that....and with the possibilty (strong possibility) of a massive down turn in the property market and an estiimated 45,000 reposessions next year, things are going to get more tense! Because if history hs taught us anything in this country, its the housing market that has caused recessions.
i really believe it is inevitable frank - its just a matter of time - i dont get any satisfaction from this
I said this last year, tensions are rising in the UK amongst the masses, its not just your low life cant work wont work chav thats grumbling and having a downer on Poles its a lot wider than that....and with the possibilty (strong possibility) of a massive down turn in the property market and an estiimated 45,000 reposessions next year, things are going to get more tense! Because if history hs taught us anything in this country, its the housing market that has caused recessions.
ShelleyS
4 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
and what buying property abroad got to do with the mass exodus from poland to england.? I think it must be quite difficult to see the world clearly with those rose tinted glasses on liza
and what buying property abroad got to do with the mass exodus from poland to england.? I think it must be quite difficult to see the world clearly with those rose tinted glasses on liza
ShelleyS
5 Nov 2007
ShelleyS
5 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
Hmm, think you will find that Polish nationals working overseas are pushing up prices with the money they are investing back in Poland. Foreign investment is only a small proportion - its not that easy to purchase property in Poland for a none national.
Can you give the number of English that are benefiting - I mean the every day commnogarden bloke on the street, I don't mean those high up in industry - please state your source of information and figures.
Liza, Im not sure how old you are, but the English don't really have the same work ethic / loyalty to their employers these days because, lets face it, there is no "job for life" and its easier for employers to take on agency staff and pay £5.00 per hour easy come easy go!
My glasses are quite clean thanks and the fact my eyes are wide open helps - maybe you should actually take those blinkers off - it's quite hard not to have a broad view with them on.
I understand that you are totally pro-polish, that's fine, but you must remember that you are English too - Ive chatted to some lovely people off this forum and I'm not about to start back-stabbing but there is a reason the Polish are being singled out and that is like I have already said before but I will reiterate just in case you missed it - it's because of the sheer volume of people coming over, the fact that our schools can't cope, our hospitals, GP's etc. and that's a fact! - Im not against the free movement of people in the EU but there has be a change somewhere along the line because Im old enough to remember the Brixton riots and the not so long ago the Oldham riots...tensions cause problems within communities and its happening already and the news papers dont help....
Hmm, think you will find that Polish nationals working overseas are pushing up prices with the money they are investing back in Poland. Foreign investment is only a small proportion - its not that easy to purchase property in Poland for a none national.
There are some members of the British public who would like to believe that the Britain/Poland relationship is all one way traffic; however there are plenty of British people who are benefitting from the Poles
Can you give the number of English that are benefiting - I mean the every day commnogarden bloke on the street, I don't mean those high up in industry - please state your source of information and figures.
Like most things in life, there are winners and losers, but the biggest losers are those who just sit on their backsides and moan rather than getting up and doing their best to improve their lives (like the majority of the Poles).
Liza, Im not sure how old you are, but the English don't really have the same work ethic / loyalty to their employers these days because, lets face it, there is no "job for life" and its easier for employers to take on agency staff and pay £5.00 per hour easy come easy go!
Personally I think you need to clean your glasses Shelley..
My glasses are quite clean thanks and the fact my eyes are wide open helps - maybe you should actually take those blinkers off - it's quite hard not to have a broad view with them on.
I understand that you are totally pro-polish, that's fine, but you must remember that you are English too - Ive chatted to some lovely people off this forum and I'm not about to start back-stabbing but there is a reason the Polish are being singled out and that is like I have already said before but I will reiterate just in case you missed it - it's because of the sheer volume of people coming over, the fact that our schools can't cope, our hospitals, GP's etc. and that's a fact! - Im not against the free movement of people in the EU but there has be a change somewhere along the line because Im old enough to remember the Brixton riots and the not so long ago the Oldham riots...tensions cause problems within communities and its happening already and the news papers dont help....
ShelleyS
6 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
So why the hell do you think you have a right to have such a strong opinion about the English, now I understand why you are so negative, here's an idea, why don't you go back to where you come from - Im sure it wont be too long because Im sure you dont want to over stay your visa!
The British actually work longer hours than anyone else in Europe - so again you are wrong - but being a foreigner it's quite believable that you haven't got all the facts.
And if the average hourly rate in Pakistan is practically the same as the UK then why the hell are there so many of them over here same as the rest of them - figures can say what you want them to, fudging figures is a favourite of those in power, so I will take the above with a pinch of salt.
Postie, I saw an agency near to where I work in the city centre of Manchester advertising for warehouse staff for £5.00 an hour - two years ago the same job would have been circa. £7.00, whilst inflation rises along with everything else - salaries seem to have reduced.....it doesnt take a genius to work out the reasons behind this.
Im not anti polish and the few Polish people on this board will tell you this, but I am concerned about the state of my country.
Actually, I'm not English.
So why the hell do you think you have a right to have such a strong opinion about the English, now I understand why you are so negative, here's an idea, why don't you go back to where you come from - Im sure it wont be too long because Im sure you dont want to over stay your visa!
Lets face it Shelley, given that English workers have developed a reputation for laziness
The British actually work longer hours than anyone else in Europe - so again you are wrong - but being a foreigner it's quite believable that you haven't got all the facts.
And if the average hourly rate in Pakistan is practically the same as the UK then why the hell are there so many of them over here same as the rest of them - figures can say what you want them to, fudging figures is a favourite of those in power, so I will take the above with a pinch of salt.
(which is £5.52.. minimum wage)
Postie, I saw an agency near to where I work in the city centre of Manchester advertising for warehouse staff for £5.00 an hour - two years ago the same job would have been circa. £7.00, whilst inflation rises along with everything else - salaries seem to have reduced.....it doesnt take a genius to work out the reasons behind this.
Im not anti polish and the few Polish people on this board will tell you this, but I am concerned about the state of my country.
ShelleyS
6 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
thats what they keep telling us, fact of the matter is property is no longer selling and an estimated 45,000 properties will be repossed in the next 12 months....hmmm not what I call a booming economy! I've seen some write about how we have credit cards and debt in the UK, but thats how a lot of families survive each month because there isnt really an alternative because life is so expensive in this country and property prices are only obtainable for most if they do juggle their credit cards!
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The fact is the British economy is far stronger since the large immigration of Polish people to the Uk and unemployment has actually went down.
thats what they keep telling us, fact of the matter is property is no longer selling and an estimated 45,000 properties will be repossed in the next 12 months....hmmm not what I call a booming economy! I've seen some write about how we have credit cards and debt in the UK, but thats how a lot of families survive each month because there isnt really an alternative because life is so expensive in this country and property prices are only obtainable for most if they do juggle their credit cards!
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ShelleyS
6 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
Maybe they were looking for someone under 22, so it was quite a generous rate ;-)
I always find that people who big themselves up are rarely what they seem - but I'm sure your job is desirable by some :)
Im surprised you wanted to stay in such a country for so long, since the men are all drunkards that go to stag parties abroad, apparently the women are all so ugly British men have had to start taking Polish lessons...and we are lazy scroungers....
Oh and you keep banging on about retraining, which is a nice thought, but its not realistic for most since they have families to support, so its the old catch 22 - and where do you suggest these people go to retrain and who do you suggest pays for it?
Hmmm - your figures are out of date by 3 years, sugguest you find some new ones!
anyway Liza I would love to stop and chat all day but I'm far too busy in my highly desirable job :)
Maybe the advert you saw was for someone on the lesser rates????
Maybe they were looking for someone under 22, so it was quite a generous rate ;-)
Sorry to disappoint you Shelley, but I have a five year work permit issued by the Home Office as I’m a Highly Skilled Migrant possessing skills identified by the British Government as being ‘highly desirable’. The right for an opinion is given by the fact I pay high levels of taxes and NI contributions. I'm also entitled to vote in the UK.
I always find that people who big themselves up are rarely what they seem - but I'm sure your job is desirable by some :)
Im surprised you wanted to stay in such a country for so long, since the men are all drunkards that go to stag parties abroad, apparently the women are all so ugly British men have had to start taking Polish lessons...and we are lazy scroungers....
Oh and you keep banging on about retraining, which is a nice thought, but its not realistic for most since they have families to support, so its the old catch 22 - and where do you suggest these people go to retrain and who do you suggest pays for it?
Hmmm - your figures are out of date by 3 years, sugguest you find some new ones!
anyway Liza I would love to stop and chat all day but I'm far too busy in my highly desirable job :)
ShelleyS
6 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
So why did you?
Foxy for a first time in a long time people are actually staying on topic, I would say that quite an achievement.
Without giving you a hard luck story
So why did you?
can people please stop looking up useless stats. and get on with the jobs they are being paid to do instead of wasting time at work discussing immigration issues.
Foxy for a first time in a long time people are actually staying on topic, I would say that quite an achievement.
ShelleyS
6 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
Honey, there is no way that guy is going to give you a straight answer :(
what nationality are you ZEZE? just curious..
Honey, there is no way that guy is going to give you a straight answer :(
ShelleyS
6 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
yes they do, it ranges depending a persons age I think the maximum is circa. £5.60 - when you consider the average house costs circa. £250,000 its not that good and not really that easy for a person to have a family, because despite what would we like in an ideal world where everyone had a profession - thats not realistic - so you see, people living under the poverty line is high in the UK, but of course that's their fault because they were destined to be lazy poor brits!.....arrrh well.......
doesnt the govt set the minimum wage?
yes they do, it ranges depending a persons age I think the maximum is circa. £5.60 - when you consider the average house costs circa. £250,000 its not that good and not really that easy for a person to have a family, because despite what would we like in an ideal world where everyone had a profession - thats not realistic - so you see, people living under the poverty line is high in the UK, but of course that's their fault because they were destined to be lazy poor brits!.....arrrh well.......
ShelleyS
6 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
thats exactly what Im doing, thats why I have my concerns about my country, doesnt mean I have a a "little Islander" attitude.
And Yes Z it was an interesting read, thanks.
I am not against what you are saying but please look at the big picture.
thats exactly what Im doing, thats why I have my concerns about my country, doesnt mean I have a a "little Islander" attitude.
And Yes Z it was an interesting read, thanks.
ShelleyS
8 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / What do you hate about England and English people? [142]
So you would rather take the chance of the train derailing due to mulch on the line? They have reasons for cancelling trains, trust me Network Rail would rather they didnt have to.
why? all the males in my family are very nice and they're English :)
And AvJ English don’t all have bad teeth, trust me I have seen worse on my travels around the world.
Okay here are my pet hates about my country
Indian call centres
The amount of takeaways we have here
Traffic
Government
Asylum seekers
The fact you have to be a partially blind one legged lesbian who is fleeing persecution to get a job with the council!
People that complain that its expensive to eat healthily (lets face it - its an excuse to eat frozen pizza)
I like pan pie said - the cost of train fares
Oh just one more - doctors receptionists - they are always rude
Stupid excuses on the tube.. including leaves on the line,
So you would rather take the chance of the train derailing due to mulch on the line? They have reasons for cancelling trains, trust me Network Rail would rather they didnt have to.
i hate english men
why? all the males in my family are very nice and they're English :)
And AvJ English don’t all have bad teeth, trust me I have seen worse on my travels around the world.
Okay here are my pet hates about my country
Indian call centres
The amount of takeaways we have here
Traffic
Government
Asylum seekers
The fact you have to be a partially blind one legged lesbian who is fleeing persecution to get a job with the council!
People that complain that its expensive to eat healthily (lets face it - its an excuse to eat frozen pizza)
I like pan pie said - the cost of train fares
Oh just one more - doctors receptionists - they are always rude
ShelleyS
8 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / What do you hate about England and English people? [142]
You'll have excuse my ignorace, I only worked for 12 months as a consultant on the WCRM project in the Ops Div....!
You'll have excuse my ignorace, I only worked for 12 months as a consultant on the WCRM project in the Ops Div....!
ShelleyS
8 Nov 2007
ShelleyS
8 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / What do you hate about England and English people? [142]
No, went back in house didnt fancy travelling to Birmingham from Manchester everyday (Crewe for 3 months was enough!)
Light rail goes overground, I can only offer the explaination that these trains cover the tracks underground with mulch when they travel underground.
Ask the TOCs they're the ones who employ the staff who man the trains
Are you still current? If so, then you may be working with my brother.
No, went back in house didnt fancy travelling to Birmingham from Manchester everyday (Crewe for 3 months was enough!)
any explanation why they offer the leaves on the line excuse for an underground line
Light rail goes overground, I can only offer the explaination that these trains cover the tracks underground with mulch when they travel underground.
Or state staff shortages when its a safety concern?
Ask the TOCs they're the ones who employ the staff who man the trains
ShelleyS
8 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / What do you hate about England and English people? [142]
I have no problem with call centres in the UK Im always satisfied with the customer service provided, unlike that offered by our colonial cousins!
I would agree with the call centres in Indian but having worked in a UK based one i feel no shame in saying i have ..
I have no problem with call centres in the UK Im always satisfied with the customer service provided, unlike that offered by our colonial cousins!
ShelleyS
8 Nov 2007
ShelleyS
8 Nov 2007
ShelleyS
9 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
Before the annexation of New Zealand, British citizens were arriving in large numbers, settling in a country which by all accounts was a no man’s land. There was no law and order, and as time went by Great Britain recognized that there was a need to control its people who were settling in this country. A form of formal sovereignty was necessary to overview the British populated areas of New Zealand.
The use of Imperial Troops to achieve this however, was never considered an option. Instead, the preparation of a Treaty with Māori was planned, by which it could be stated that New Zealand had become a member of the British Empire of her own accord. The British promised equal rights for both Māori and British, promising also to honour Māori ownership of land, including Māori fishing rights.
So Liza unlesss you are part Maori, you are just another 3rd / 4th generation immigrant
Great Britain got more than its pound of flesh from New Zealand
Before the annexation of New Zealand, British citizens were arriving in large numbers, settling in a country which by all accounts was a no man’s land. There was no law and order, and as time went by Great Britain recognized that there was a need to control its people who were settling in this country. A form of formal sovereignty was necessary to overview the British populated areas of New Zealand.
The use of Imperial Troops to achieve this however, was never considered an option. Instead, the preparation of a Treaty with Māori was planned, by which it could be stated that New Zealand had become a member of the British Empire of her own accord. The British promised equal rights for both Māori and British, promising also to honour Māori ownership of land, including Māori fishing rights.
So Liza unlesss you are part Maori, you are just another 3rd / 4th generation immigrant
ShelleyS
9 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
missed that one...oh well...makes me think why she slags England and the English off so much if thats where her family came from...
missed that one...oh well...makes me think why she slags England and the English off so much if thats where her family came from...
ShelleyS
9 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
You forgot the Irish, which would be a little bit more recent :) You do remember the potato famine?
We have big head to fit our big brains in :) - you love us really doggie :)
Almost everyone in the world is an immigrant, including the British; the UK has been repeatedly settled by immigrants including the Romans, the Celtics, the Saxons and the Jutes.
You forgot the Irish, which would be a little bit more recent :) You do remember the potato famine?
Screw them and their big UFO-like heads.
We have big head to fit our big brains in :) - you love us really doggie :)
ShelleyS
9 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
Keep away from teh subject of property at least two of those have issues with the English buying it in their parts of the world :) (its a joke btw)
I dont think he is M, Ive already done the same today - I really must take time out to read before posting :)
Tonight will be two Irish, two South Africans, two Polish, an Australian, three English, two Scots and a Welshman
Keep away from teh subject of property at least two of those have issues with the English buying it in their parts of the world :) (its a joke btw)
stop being patronizing Bub
I dont think he is M, Ive already done the same today - I really must take time out to read before posting :)
ShelleyS
12 Nov 2007
Food / Mother of all hangovers....Polish Beer! [71]
personally I find that you get less of a handover since there is less rubbish added to the beer...
Why does Polish beer give you the worst hangover imaginable and leaves a very bad chemical taste in the mouth? A friend told me it's because Poland is the only European country to add raw alcohol to the process, does anyone know if that is actually true
personally I find that you get less of a handover since there is less rubbish added to the beer...
ShelleyS
13 Nov 2007
Food / Mother of all hangovers....Polish Beer! [71]
How can you say that, Czech beer is the best in the world :) - I have never had a hangover off any of their beers :) Amercian beer kills me so I dont go near it :(
I cannot drink any of the Czech pilsners
How can you say that, Czech beer is the best in the world :) - I have never had a hangover off any of their beers :) Amercian beer kills me so I dont go near it :(
ShelleyS
14 Nov 2007
Love / Why do Polish women prefer foreigners for boyfriends and husbands? [418]
Buy him some nice smelly stuff, thats about the biggest hint you can give
Failing the above, tell him you have a shower fettish and love doing it in there - that should solve the problem :)
as for the clothes aspect - say "hey lets go shopping" and guide him towards the mens stores - and pic up things you think will suit him :)
Buy him some nice smelly stuff, thats about the biggest hint you can give
Failing the above, tell him you have a shower fettish and love doing it in there - that should solve the problem :)
as for the clothes aspect - say "hey lets go shopping" and guide him towards the mens stores - and pic up things you think will suit him :)
ShelleyS
14 Nov 2007
Love / Why do Polish women prefer foreigners for boyfriends and husbands? [418]
I meant some shower gell type stuff, not aftershave - but agreed it is a bit too soon to be buying him personal things like that - its a bit of a no brainer because he might just be one of those people who doesnt really care about his appearance - if you really like him as you say, stick with it and in time you can tell him he's a bit of a stinker :)
Hmm I know where you are coming from my b/f brought a pair of white jeans up one weekend - I offered to iron then and accidently got a rather large black mark on them, they havent seen the light of day again!
Then again it's not the right time to buy a perfume , and actually that won't solve the problem, I don't want him to be covered by perfume, I want him to shower everyday!!!
I meant some shower gell type stuff, not aftershave - but agreed it is a bit too soon to be buying him personal things like that - its a bit of a no brainer because he might just be one of those people who doesnt really care about his appearance - if you really like him as you say, stick with it and in time you can tell him he's a bit of a stinker :)
I do remember my bf having a pair of jeans that were horrible
Hmm I know where you are coming from my b/f brought a pair of white jeans up one weekend - I offered to iron then and accidently got a rather large black mark on them, they havent seen the light of day again!
ShelleyS
14 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
We know this, these figures have been set out for all to see many many times....What we should do it offer no assitance and whatsoever and most of the Somalis, Turkish, Kurds, Bangladeshis, Pakis etc are all here claiming asylum.....can you get me the figures for the following
Czech
Slovakia
Hungarian
Lets see how they compare with the Polish, that might give it a bit of an even slant...Because I dont know any Spanish or Italians or French or Germans that live in the UK that are claiming.....or live in social housing or are claiming for kids back home ....
The top five drains on the UK by ethnic group are; Somalia, Turkey, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Iran.
We know this, these figures have been set out for all to see many many times....What we should do it offer no assitance and whatsoever and most of the Somalis, Turkish, Kurds, Bangladeshis, Pakis etc are all here claiming asylum.....can you get me the figures for the following
Czech
Slovakia
Hungarian
Lets see how they compare with the Polish, that might give it a bit of an even slant...Because I dont know any Spanish or Italians or French or Germans that live in the UK that are claiming.....or live in social housing or are claiming for kids back home ....
ShelleyS
14 Nov 2007
UK, Ireland / Polish immigration in UK [491]
No, people who dont have kids cant claim it...Brits living in Spain dont claim it :)
No, people who dont have kids cant claim it...Brits living in Spain dont claim it :)