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random2099   
16 Jul 2013
News / Where would you have a higher purchasing in Poland or in Germany? [6]

Firstly I know this depends a lot on different factors, but I would appreciate your opinions

Assuming you will be paid the equivalent of 1100 euros net per month in Poland or 2000 euros net in Germany, in which place would you have a higher purchasing power? , also in which country would you be able to save more and live better with that salary?

I will try to answer myself also the question, thus see below some of my assumptions, on the most basic things, comparing both countries

Rent a flat in Poland (standard city) , 200 euros per month
Rent of an equivalent flat in Germany (standard city) 450 euros per month

Gas, Internet, Electricity bills in Poland = 50 euros
Gas, Internet, Electricity bills in Germany = 100 euros

Food expenses in Poland = 150 euros per month
Food expenses in Germany = 200 euros per month

Petrol in Poland = 100 euros per month
Petrol in Germany (since it would be required to travel longer distances) = 300 euros per month

That would leave you with 600 euros per month in Poland for saving, while in Germany you would have an estimate of 950 euros. Assuming also that your goal is to buy a flat, the price of it in Poland would be 30 000 euros while the price of a similar in Germany would be 110 000 euros, you would have to save during 4.1 years in Poland for buying it, while in Germany you would need to save 9.6 years

it seems to me that comparing both salaries, one could live better in Poland., what do you think? , where would you prefer to work on those conditions?
random2099   
26 Jul 2013
News / Interesting article about mess in Polish offices. [22]

The heritage of soviet bureaucracy, I hate polish bureaucracy so much. I just want to add one thing, the bureaucracy in Poland is a mess because it is meant to be so.
random2099   
23 Aug 2013
Law / What banks are people using in Poland? [50]

You cannot sorry, for Polish people only.

It depends from the person you are dealing with, Some of them want to avoid troubles 'out of procedure' by opening accounts to non poles. Go to the same bank in another location, you could find another person in charge at the bank who is willing to open an account for you.

I had the same issue once. They asked me for my PESEL , residence card, etc., and since I didn't have it, I couldn't open an account. I went to the same bank some days later and another person was in charge and I got an account opened in 5 minutes.
random2099   
1 Sep 2013
History / A potential war: Poland vs Lithuania. Who would win? [17]

The question is like asking, who would win a battle, Superman or Goku?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's start a war between Poland and Lithuania just for fun to see who wins. Some civilians will get killed, some cities will be destroyed, but let's just see who wins. Any of both countries fight for a real cause, nor their have a problem among them, but let's just see who wins, why not using nuclear weapons? we can see which country last longer ! (I hope you get the sarcasm)

theclasscall ☓ #

In a war Poland vs Lithuania who would win?

How old are you by the way? 11 ?
random2099   
1 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

I want to start this thread to tell briefly how incompetent the polish bureaucracy can get and how I was unable to get a work permit.

Firstly, I am not EU-citizen (No ! I am not Arab, Indian, Chinese etc.... I have to mention this because I have read lot of stereotypes against non-EU nationals here in PF ) , I come from a western country and I can come to Europe without need of a visa.

I have spent a lot of years in different western European countries as well as in Poland. I worked in country X, studied in country Y. Then I came to Poland due to an exchange agreement and stayed there for 2 years, then I move again to country X and worked there for another one year. During my time in Poland I found a girlfriend and learned polish as well. When I moved from Poland to country X, I was coming to Poland once per month to visit my girlfriend. I was basically unhappy about being far away and to have to travel all the time, so I left my job in country X and came to Poland to look for a job and to be with my girlfriend. I know well that it is hard to get a good paid job in Poland, but despite of that, I got a good job offer in Poland within a month of being there . It was at a western European company which has some offices in Poland and required my skills. Additionally my previous experience and career path were a perfect match for that particular job.

So far so good...

As I am not EU-national I need to get a work permit for Poland. The company tried to help me on this but after trying to collect all the required documents, dealing with the bureaucrats and having waited long time in order to even start the application for the karta pobytu, they gave up. It was a nightmare, they said first, I need a karta pobytu to start an application for the work permit, and in order to get a karta pobytu I should have a work permit. That is totally nonsense!!!!. . I know very well that If I would had married I could automatically work in Poland, but that is not in the plans yet.

I got in the waiting time a job offer in a multinational company in county Z which is also in another western European country.So I moved there and from time to time I come to Poland to visit my girlfriend.

If I had been able to start working in Poland, I would be making profit for the company in Poland, I would be paying taxes, consuming there, etc... and overall contribute to the country. However this was not possible due to the bureaucratic system.

So, that is my story. What is wrong with Poland? , Why am I able to get a work permits for countries X, Y, Z, which are western european countries but I am unable to get a work permit for Poland even though I had a job offer at an international company? I mean, no wonder why people are actually leaving the country.

If something is not done to change that pathetic non-sense bureaucracy Poland will never ever prosper. I don't mean it for my particular case but I mean it generally speaking in different situations on the daily life in Poland.
random2099   
1 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

how long do you have? the system makes no sense the people working there have no clue nobody really knows

It doesn't matter anymore. I already left Poland and I am working in country Z, so I am not planing anymore to settle down there.

I had a lot of trouble getting answers to questions about how to resolve the situation in the end i threw money at it and it worked 1000pln and the work permit and residency card where issued within 10 minutes

Yes, that is how the things work in Poland unfortunately.
random2099   
1 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

If you care so much about Poland and her, why not marry? That means you are not serious and just use her for s*x or something. Poland is doing better than your poor country that is why you came looking for job here. Don't like it, GET OUT!!!

I knew there will be a moron like you answering here. There are a lot like you in PF.

No, I am not using her, she will be moving with me to country Z. To use her, would actually mean to get married just to get the work permit.

and about Poland doing it better than my 'poor' country? lol, that's a good one. When I finished my first degree at my home country I got intermediately 3 job offers without having sent a single application. Furthermore, the salaries there are much higher and the infrastructure is much better than in Poland. Despite of that, my initial idea was to stay and work in Poland so that in the future I could rise my future children in a catholic country, which is something very hard to do in western Europe nowadays.

Just one advice, do not generalize if you don't know the person, that only makes you look like a moron.

If they found a suitable Polish/EU candidate for the job, then they must be given priority. It - no doubt - is the same in your country.

No, in my country the things are different. Sometimes people from other nationalities get preference.

I wonder which countries those were - many Western countries make it very difficult for non-EU applicants.

I didn't want to mention the countries, but here I go.... Austria, Denmark and Germany

delphiandomine: I wonder which countries those were - many Western countries make it very difficult for non-EU applicants.

and yes it is difficult, but if you have the right skills and the right education/degrees everything is fine
random2099   
1 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

so you simply aren't needed

Excuse me. Then why the company wanted to hire me? At my current employer, I am in charge of several projects at different locations all around the world. Your argument simply does not apply.

I am not assuming there should be massive immigration into Europe but for people with the right skills and willing to integrate it should be easier. Which is indeed the case in the right european countries, that does not include Poland.

Ah, you didn't try France or the UK then. Those countries are all but closed to non-EU citizens with no links to their country.

Why then France and the UK have so many immigrants compared to those countries I previously mentioned? . Immigration into those countries is much harder, specially for Denmark and Austria. In Denmark for instance, spouses of Danes can be denied the right to stay and live in Denmark if it is proven they have no good connections to the country. Those couples have to move to neighboring Malmö or northern Germany.

It simply p**sses me off I couldn't get a work permit for Poland, eventhough I got a job offer, speak polish and my ancestors were Europeans themselves (long time ago and there is no way to claim a EU citizenship now anyway). I can get a work permit for Denmark, Germany and Austria...but for Poland, no way! it is laughably ridiculous
random2099   
1 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

The company may have thought that you were needed, but the country knows better.

No. the country doesn't know it better. If it would, then why are so many young People in Poland just leaving the country? .Poland has many people just surviving with an extremely low wage. Why is the bureaucracy so inefficient in all ways, that it scares foreign investors and companies? I know about several western European companies which simply try to avoid to perform any project in Poland due to that.
random2099   
2 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

Thats the right attitude to have that will really help our country change its outdated unworkable system of red tape, bravo

Thrumbs up! Finally someone got it

So you are implying none should ever be able to come to Poland and live there? I am going to get a polish work permit anyway in the future since I will soon or later marry my polish girlfriend. However that does not chance the fact that the bureaucratic system in Poland is extremely incompetent. In the country where I work now, I get a much higher wage than I would be able to get in Poland (well, the cost of living is also high) but summarizing it all, I have a much better career path here and a lot of professional development opportunities in a company which has operations world wide.

No, they avoid Poland because of cultural reasons.

Yes, for instance german companies (or danish or austrian ones) produce products which are sold worldwide and are quite successful. Unfortunately I cannot say the same about 'slavic' companies or companies from the former soviet bloc. I am sure this is not due to the lack of talent in those countries but to the incompetent bureaucratic nonsense which prevails there until now.

That's exactly why it's harder to get a job in Poland than in Germany. There is less good payed jobs in Poland.

Exactly!!! It is hard to immigrate to western Europe, no doubt about that! However when you have a job offer at an international company, have the right skills, degrees, language proficiency, the doors are open. This is not the case for Poland, where you would have to deal with jealous post-communist bureaucrats which will be glad to make your life unhappier .
random2099   
2 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

Poles for instance are allowed to work in the European country where my ancestors and native language come from despite the fact they have no connection into that country whatsoever. So, if they look to every single 500 million people entitled to work (I am sure they didn't) , then why can I get a work permit for Austria, Germany and Denmark ? In those countries they have to check as well that no local nor EU-citizen can take the job. Despite that, I can get a work permit. For Poland that is simply not the case.

So stay there. Pretty simple, really.

Right. I am staying here. I don't see any reason to deal with that post-communist bureaucratic nonsense now.

No, they aren't. France and the UK make it very difficult for such people regardless of offers.

I did spend some time in France as well (without a residence permit since I was living at that time in another EU country). From my experience, I felt I could freely go to France and stay there if I had wished to. For the UK, I have no experience so I won't comment.

I do blame the bureaucracy as well as those post-communist bureaucrats. Poland has a geopolitical position which could turn the country into a economic power. However if the red outdated post-communist bureaucratic nonsense remains, this simply would never happen.
random2099   
3 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

Despite not having any experience with Polish bureaucracy?

I do have experience with it. I mentioned that I lived 2 years in Poland previously due to an international agreement, Thus I got the respective Karta Pobytu for every year. During that time I had several weird situations dealing with incompetent bureaucratic people.

Yes, and it's going that way. The country has only been truly democratic for 22 years - patience wouldn't go amiss.

Concerning that, it really would take maaaaaaaaany years still until the things chance.

You wouldn't have had a chance of getting a work permit in France, I can tell you that for free

When I tell you, that I wouldn't have any problems in France, you have to believe me. I am actually from the french speaking part of Canada, thus I don't see any problem if I would like to move to France.

They hired you and for whatever reason decided to let you go. They blamed the state bureaucracy to make you feel better about them and yourself: it was not the company fault, not your fault, but the state fault. Most likely the company needed to use you (your skill) for a short period of time or they didn't find your work good enough or needed any longer. Blame the company

I didn't even have the chance to start. And no, the position I was supposed to take was a position which needs some skills which are rare to find in Poland and are given in universities in western countries.

Common story in New York restaurants too. They hire an expensive chef, learn new dishes, new ideas, from him, and after a couple weeks they fire him. New hires are eager to share everything they know to impress the employer.

As I mentioned it before, the position needs some specific knowledge which is applied in an international environment, I don't think the situation matches anything at what you are describing
random2099   
3 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

How remarkably naive. France has some notoriously tricky immigration rules for non-EU citizens regardless of language skills.

naive? My ancestors were french, my native language is french, why shouldn't I be allowed to live in France? . You were the one implying that none should ever be allowed to come to live to Europe specially to Poland if they are not EU citizens.

Now that you mention it, I know non-EU citizens who have immigrated recently to France and the UK for working, having at least a master degree, they got their respective work permits without issues.

I have my doubts that your knowledge is somehow unique, given the huge presence of multinationals here. Perhaps they simply found a suitable internal candidate?

It could be they found a cheaper one. Poles work for low wages. However that doesn't mean their work is better or at least the same. Pay peanuts, get monkeys !

By the way, it seems you always want to have the last word and have a certain point of view and automatically repel everything which does not match your particular view.

I am from a non-eu country, living in Krakow already for quiet a few years.

from which country are you from? and can you say more about your situation? are you married to an EU citizen? did you have a permanent resident permit from another EU country? which qualifications do you have? Those things can immensely impact on the application process.
random2099   
3 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

Because you are not French

Amazing. A Pole who does not speak any french, tells to a french Canadian, he should not be allowed to work and live in France. It totally makes sense!!!! Wow!!. In the other EU countries where I lived and worked I made all the paperwork and there was no issue on that. But for Poland, the outdated red bureaucracy does not make it possible.

If you don't think Canadians should need to get any paperwork done in order to live and work in Poland, I'd suggest that you convince your government to stop requiring Poles to have such paperwork.

No, I am not implying that. I am only suggesting that it should be an efficient system to deal with it.

But I realize Poles do not accept any criticism to their red system. They know inside them the system s*cks but they deny it if a non-Pole says so and take the critic as a personal attack to them. You are quite funny guys! It is rare to find people with that attitude in other places.
random2099   
3 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

i'm from a latin american country, single and with a master degree in a Germany university.

Which latin american country? , say it loudly to the Poles in here and you will get attacks to you based on your background!

No. I have both a master and a phd. Both obtained in western Europe, so what you say is nonsense.

I did post something concerning the purchasing power in a previous thread. However that is not related to the job offer. That thread was posted long after I left Poland, as a result of a conversation with some friends comparing purchasing powers and living conditions in different countries. One polish guy told me that if he would be able to earn 1100 euros in Poland, he wouldn't emigrate.

The fact that you seem to think that you have a God-given right to stay in Poland is another question.

Ok, please tell that to the hordes of poles who have emigrated

If you don't think Canadians should need to get any paperwork done in order to live and work in Poland.

Poles can emigrate to Canada without problems as long as they have a certain education, language skills, job offer, etc. So don't play the 'US Card -Visa Requirements for Poles' on me
random2099   
3 Sep 2013
Law / Unable to get a work permit for Poland (not EU-citizen) [40]

I would expect a French speaking Canadian to have priority over a non French speaking for instance Pole (or Greek...) in the French labor market.

Thumbs up! It makes even more sense that those countries (Britain, France, Spain, Portugal) accept people from their former colonies who are descendants of those who left Europe.

However, even though a person from a former colony gets a job in the country where their ancestors and language come from (Britain, France, Spain, Portugal), another EU-citizen with no connection to that country whatsoever has preference over the non-EU citizen.