Law / Lviv born. Can Polish ancestry be claimed? [34]

Hello, Martin!
"Mother and Father Ukrainian. Grandmother Ukrainian". Wouldn't you like to obtain Ukrainian citizenship?
Greetings from Lviv.

Law / Lviv born. Can Polish ancestry be claimed? [34]

Martin (or Martyn) is a name of an average popularity (or even lower - I knew only some 10 persons having the name) in UA, the corresponding female name - Marta - is much more popular.

Language / Polish/Ukrainian words similarities [209]


I know two words: two for "language": "mowa" and "język" and one for tongue (an organ of the digestive system + organ of speech+ language): "język".


It's because the Russian word-stock includes many words of non-Slavic origin like "loshad'" for Slavic words "koń/kin/kun", "glaz" for Slavic "oko" etc. (an additinal barrier for a Slavic non-Russian person) and constructions of the type "u menya jest" for Slavic "ya mam/mayu" (although Ukrainian has both the constructions).

Language / Polish/Ukrainian words similarities [209]


Is this pattern used all over the country (Poland)? Wasn't it borrowed from Russian and namely in the Russian zone (Warsaw/Lodz)? One Polish person has told me there are still language differences (peculiarities) in different areas due to the partition of the country (Warsaw vs Kracow). In Ukraine, one felt enormous differences which have been gradually disappearing all the time. One person from the Eastern UA told me he had had great difficulties in reading Ivan Franko's literary works at school which e.g. I did not experience.

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Poles came to Ukraine (the principality of Halychyna-Vilhynia in the mid 14th century), stayed there for centuries, built buildings and were expelled in the end??? How unjust!!! Awful!!!!

But why? Maybe had no stay permits? Obtained no building permits?

Come again!!! This time we, with much Russian blood in veins of many of us, will treat you properly!!!!

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Tragic person, suffered much (was not at first admitted at a higher school due to the natinal discrimination, then in prison, then in the concentration camp, then killed - personification of Ukraine's tragedy) + sometimes softie, sometimes too naive + some mistakes, but in general our prominent fighter for sweet freedom. Lessons learnt, no more mistakes in the future.


Mostly churches and cathedrals. Places of interest for tourists. Most residential and administrative buildings had been built during the Austrian time (roughly 1770 - 1918) including the City Hall, the Franko University Main Building, the Opera House, the House of Scientists. (all in the historical Down Town).

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Vlad, Bandera was Soviet (his idea of the future Ukrainian state was based on council principles, in Russian: государственное устройство на основе советов) whereas Stalin was anti-Soviet, as soviets (councils) had no power in the "Soviet Union" - all power was usurped by the Communist Party and the country was run by it.

And Bandera was not anti-Russian: in UPA units, partially controlled by Bandera's OUN, there were, alongside Ukrainians, also Jews (some of them wrote books, in Israel, about their time in UPA, you can read them),Germans, Russians. Never heard about Russians in UPA ? - No wonder, imagine you are Russian, former UPA, and in the Soviet time you say: I was UPA soldier - what would they do with you? Of course, non-Ukrainians were in the UPA not to fight for the Ukrainian statehood, but to servive (soldiers of the defeated Red Army units, Jews who run away etc.).

The name of the country "Union of the Soviet Socialist Republic" is misleading: the country was neither a union (many "republics" were incorporated by force), nor was it soviet (soviet = the power belongs to councils of different levels), nor socialist, and there were no republics (republic = supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives; in the SU there were no elections meaning one can choose among many candidates; instead there was "voting" to confirm the already elected Communist Party members).

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Golden words! I agree 100%.

Language / Polish/Ukrainian words similarities [209]


I do not know about the Finno-Ugric influence, but I know that there is such a pattern in Turkish (Sende para var mi? - Have you money on you?) - oooooh! - As I have just put it into English I have noticed that there is a similar pattern in English, too!!! Rarely used?

Back to Turkish influence. In Turkish, as far as I know, it is often used and is a normal pattern, and Russia includes several Turckic nations as Tartars (Kazan) & others. But quite possible that the influence is Finno-Ugric.

Russian linguists??

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine

The name "Ukraine" (Ukrainian: Україна Ukrayina [ukraˈjina]) has been used in a variety of ways since the twelfth century. Today, it is the official name of Ukraine, a country in Eastern Europe.

.....The term is also mentioned for the years 1189, 1213, 1280, and 1282 for various East Slavic lands (for example, Galician Ukrayina, etc.),[2] possibly referring to different principalities of Kievan Rus' (cf. Skljarenko 1991, Pivtorak 1998) or to different borderlands (Vasmer 1953-1958, Rudnyc'kyj and Sychynskyj 1949).

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Thank you, Vlad for thinking that I am so intelligent as to be able to formulate my own definitions. I must disappoint you here: The definitions are from the dictionary. Here is the definition of Socialism: "Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth"

from Collins Dictionary (electronic version).

I think this definition is right. According to this definition the SU was not a socialist country as, e.g., millions were staved (Holodomor) to death - and could not "benefit from the country's wealth".

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Much time consuming. You are asking, Vlad, global questions! Parties, whole institutes work on such questions. But I think, that there should be not only the social, but economic structure, too. Oh, I know now: the answer may be the programs of the European Socialist Parties - let us acquaint ourselves with them! (Swedish Socialism, French Socialism and Comarade Hollade is the Prez now!). Some 30 years ago in the Morning Star I read about the "British way to socialism" by the CP of the UK.


I would not say that a country that kills millions is a socialist. Would you?


I would agree here with you. And that was a great achievement, wasn't it? People were only half-hungry. Compromise: half-hungry - half-socialist?


Sorry, it would take much time. I have time but not too much. Maybe in the future. Oh. Definitely in the future! An interesting topic!

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Have you been proclamed that? I mean how should I refer to you now: as Vlad or use your "proclaimed name"?

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Charlie, I would not call it a rubbish definition, but rather a definition of a version of socialism. This version of socialism does not require abolishment of private property for means of production, destruction of classes etc., but rather a fair distribution, fair opportunities. Some two decades ago, there were popular assertions here (in mass media, public disputes, private talks etc.) that Swedes had a society that one could define as a socialist one. “Mild socialism”. So, carried away by this idea of mild socialism, and by the fact that I live in a city known for its writer Ivan Franko, who advocated such a mild form of socialism being at the same time a strong opponent of communism as something unrealizable and therefore wrong and dangerous, I have thus chosen this definition and would prefer it if any.

If some 25 years ago somebody had said that I would be interested in things like socialism, I would simply laugh. Because it is only after the collapse of the country called USSR that I have learnt things about Ivan Franko’s views, his criticism of communism, many facts about the country USSR, about Holodomor, about other versions of socialism in contrast to the ”camp” type USSR one, that I sometimes pose a question to myself: What country I had been living?

History / Ukrainian-occupied Eastern Poland [135]


Vlad, you mean like in this piece “товарищ москаль, На Украину шуток не скаль from “ДОЛГ УКРАИНЕ”, a poem by Vlad Mayakovsky in Russian, which is translated as “Comrade Moscal, do not grin cracking jokes about Ukraine” which, in turn, we can paraphrased into “Comrade Moscal, do not grin cracking jokes about Lviv” - Oh, but there is no rhyme!

Do they, in Lviv, omit the title “Tovarishch”? How unkind of them!!

Polonia / What are qualites of Germans? [60]


It is interesting what you are writing about Poles dreaming to have a lot in common with Germans.
I have been many times (more than 20) to Poland, spoke a lot with people, read books and papers and --- failed to hear a thing like that. Poles are Poles and very proud to be Poles and have good reasons to be, - I have always thought and was wrong! So, there they are!

As far as I know, Russian people are very observant. But how do you know that: somebody said that to you, by behaviour, by reading thoughts, reading the mind in the eyes – I mean the very method.

Also, looking forward to reading your new interesting threads!

Polonia / What are qualites of Germans? [60]


Moronic?
I beg to disagree with you, strongly!!!!!

I think that here we have to do with rather unconventional idea of applying the Russian-Ukrainian pattern of relations to German-Polish relations.

The Russian-Ukrainian pattern, better known as “Velikorosy – Malorosy”, is not so univocal as it may appear - “Great Russians – Small Russians” – as there is another understanding of it on the horizon, namely “Great Russians – Undergrowns”, based on the meaning of the word “Maloros” as “malo ros = ros malo”, that is “an Undergrown”.

This pattern implies, as a result of historical development, superiority of everything that is Russian over Ukrainian including “looking from down to top”, usage of a better language (majority of Ukrainians prefer Russian, as they consider their own a “peasant” language – and may be partially right as the usage of Ukrainian had been forbidden for a certain period in Russia in many areas with the result – it is not as developed as Russian) etc, etc.

And this brave application of the pattern to German-Polish relations is interesting, I mean the very methodology, and it is based on historical realities. Just to name only few: both Poland and Ukraine were partitioned (Ukraine in the 17th century by Russia and Poland; Poland in the 18th century by Russia, Germany and Austria); recent events: Polish President: killed – Ukrainian President: poisoned.

So, let us consider in how far the application of this methodology is justified, and not just bluntly reject the brave and unconventional thought.

Polonia / What are qualites of Germans? [60]


Hello!

With the greatest respect, but firstly: I think it’s too strong.

Secondly, we seem to have different approaches: Don’t you enjoy unexpected ideas, something out-of-the-way and fresh in its originality, for there may be something, which appears first not to be something we expect or have been used to but which in the long run is right although not in the sense of the rightness as generally accepted or in the spirit of the time but the rightness in itself?

Has your mind been zapped with admitting new bursts of creativity of persons who can’t wait to share original ideas and have this PF forum as an outlet – I think we must be grateful to be the first to hear THEM!!!!

For I think that truly original ideas come around about as often as a winning lottery ticket in your life!!!! So, let us get enthralled by the newness, call it strangeness but no stronger of the type WTF/BS etc, of this or other approach or methodology!!! Otherwise we are doomed to boredom and routine convetionality!!!

Polonia / What are qualites of Germans? [60]


Do not lie down - too early, you may fall asleep and sleep till tomorrow morning!
Eat a Schnitzel instead, or a Bratwurst!

Polonia / What are qualites of Germans? [60]


CONGRATULATIONS!!!!


It was meant to be a kind of joke: one gent a poster up tells us about Schnitzel & all of a sudden it started to smell of Schnitzel, and the topic is about Germany, and you were tired of these bursts of originality, so I thought: It's Schnitzel that may help him! Thanks for the info about Schabowy. I have always used the word "sznycel" when in Poland and have been served schnitzel. What is the difference?

But look! Vlad has been promoted. Smells of danger! When commies here come again (God forbid!) I shall ask for a political asylum in Poland.

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]


Meaning: loving at a distance?

Language / Slavic accent correction [110]


Do you think that it is important to get rid of an accent? When a person has mastered any language and has no problems as a speaker of this language but has an accent, why he/she should conceal his/her accent?

Language / Slavic accent correction [110]

As far as I hear people speak here Ukrainian or English with an accent all the time (sometimes very much correct Ukrainian or English but with an accent: Chinese, Polish, Nigerian etc. students, local Russians who have switched to speaking Ukrainian, tourists etc) I got used to it as I got used to snow in winter. I have even never thought of an accent as something negative. Moreover, I find it even funny!

That is why I asked this question.

Language / Slavic accent correction [110]


By the way, the most popular speaker of Ukrainian with an accent is Yulia Tymoshenko. I had heard her speaking many times both live (she had visited Lviv several time to speak to the public) and on TV; she had spoken with a noticeable accent (the Ukrainian word "povidomyv" she would pronounce as "pavidomyf" = Russian way of pronouncing "o" in an unstressed position + reducing final sonants to voiceless consonants - not the case in Ukrainian), and: I had never noticed that anybody would make a negative remark about her accent: People here like, no - love her.

Mr. Yanukovych speaks Ukrainian, I would say, roughly with the same level of accent, but, in contrast, there are remarks all the time, both regarding the content and the accent. Here he enjoys no popularity.

So, concerning us in Lviv, we are exposed to hearing people speaking both Ukrainian and English with an accent continuously. And an accent seems to have become as much a norm as no accent.

Language / Slavic accent correction [110]


The main thing I have failed to mention concerning accent is that I speak English with an accent and, despite this fact, I have never felt anybody's displeasure in this connection.

I would agree with you, and with the others, that there are some common Slavic accent peculiarities, one of them being, as already mentioned by **************, palatalization of consonants (Ukrainian translation: пом'ягшення приголосних звуків), as e.g. the word "tick" [tik] may be incorrectly pronounced as [t'ik] with palatalized [t'] as in the UKrainian word "тільки" [t'il'ky] ("only"). And vice versa, native English speakers here often pronounce the U-word "тільки" as [til'ky] or [tilky].

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]


How is the mutual love manifested in this love-hate relationship?


Do you want the Russian Federation to collapse as the SU under the liberal Gorbi regime did?

I think, the first, who would secede from the Federation in the first month of democracy, would be, of course, the Chechens. The second, their brothers, the Ingushens. The third - the Kazan Tartars (6 million strong nation, dreaming all the time about re-gaining their lost statehood) etc.

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]


How often do you take part in such manifestations?

Language / Slavic accent correction [110]


BTW, how can one fully define persons, nations who call themselves "Slavs/Slavic nations", only by the language they speak?
The question is in this connection that today I have read a WIKI article about the Kazan Tartars trying to revive their ancient name Bulgaria (Volgaria). So, the related question: Suppose they join the European Bulgarians (, build a sort of confederation with them) and accept a Slavic language as their native one as well, would they be a Slavic nation too?

Still another question: Why do we use the word "Slavic" in English, but not a word like "Slovian" (or Slovic)? According to the article (an abstract from which see below) + many others, the word Slav/Slavic is connected rather with the word "slovo" ("word"), and more to it: there are countries that have the root "slov" in their names: Slovakia, Slovenia. Could one introduce it into use in English?

Origin of the word Slav poland-claritaslux/blog/origin-word-slav/
What is the origin of the word Slav? The Slavs or Slavic people are obviously most of the people of Eastern Europe, the Poles, Czechs, Slovakians, Ukrainians, Russians, and Serbians etc. Their languages and cultures are very similar.

The word 'Slav' or 'Slowianin' comes from the Slavic term for word; 'Slowo'. 'Slowo' means 'word' (słowo in Polish letters but pronounced swovo). The Slavs identified themselves as those who could understand their word or language. Slavic could be interpreted as "someone who understands".

History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]


What a pity!!! Also, because I was just going to ask about the units of measuring the strength of love during/after such sessions (?) (cracked bottles, glasses?)

Language / Slavic accent correction [110]


I have thought Poles (alongside Slovaks) to be the most "pure" Slavic nation.