News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Me and my friends went for a eurotrip last summer. We've travelled from Krakow, Poland and went down to Grenada in Spain (and back). Czech Rep. and Alps were beautiful. Austria and especially Germany not so much. I can confirm that some parts of Europe like most of Germany, most of France that we've visited maybe except south-east (Nicea, Cannes) are lost. I have no doubt that they will become muslim countries in our lifetimes. And then Paris. Paris, unfortunately, is a dirty and smelly city - it really literally smells of **** and there are piles of garbage everywhere in the city. [North] Italy is doing much better and south of Spain is [still] pristine. I think that next time I'll take a trip to Hungary and Croatia cause Western Europe is not very European anymore. Not to mention that is less safe to travel there.

Food / Have Polish Women been Poisoned Yet to Hate Men. [60]

Polish girls are just too smart to become feminists. Feminism mostly benefits unattractive women that would have little chance to find an attractive match on a free dating market

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

So Ze Germans became cucks. I guess that's better for the future of "Mitteleuropa" but it also means that we'll have to face a Caliphate of Germany behind our western border in the future.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Is Germany lost? Sure, in more than one way.

On my way back from Amsterdam 3 years ago I stopped by a petrol station near Berlin.
Since I drove for quite a long time without stopping I wanted to eat something and then to use a toilet.

So I asked the staff where's the toilet (nota bene, in Germany you can't just ask staff a direct question - you have to ring a small bell first to get their attention) and he pointed me towards a shady building nearby.

And then I saw it. It was the FILTHIEST TOILET that I've ever seen in my entire life. Forget about "the worst toilet in Scotland" from Trainspotting. That German toiled was so dirty and smelly that I've almost vomited straight away. It smelled like a rotting zombie who just had a massive crap after eating sauerkaut and bratwurst for the whole previous night.

In that moment I stopped believing in a mythical German "ordnung". To me Germany will remind that filthy toilet for the rest of my days I think...

Sad but true.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

It was worse than you can imagine. I wish I was blessed with Charles Baudelaire's talent for a few precious moments so I could describe it properly cause I'm feeling I was too delicate

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@Rich Mazur

Trump is the best thing that could happen to Poland right now. And not because he is on our side but precisely because he is disrupting an already established political-economic order. He is our ticket out of "mitteleuropa" politically and economically controlled by Germany. Poland is on the rise and Western Europe doesn't like that fact that they'll have to share the power, wealth and influence and that they will have to compete with a new dynamic economy. Especially since we don't share their "progressive" values we're being seen as intruders and only tolerated as "poor cousins" that just have to keep their mouth shut and nod.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@delphiandomine


I wouldn't be so sure of that. The EU funds are not free: they come with a hefty price of the EU regulations. And the money is also spend in a way that the EU approves. Let's say we loose the EU funds and gain the free market and low tax rates. That would give us much bigger economical boost that we have now.

So my point is that Poland is growing not because of the EU but DESPITE the EU (we flourish thanks to a common market by choke because of the regulations). The only way to prove it is to actually do it.

Let's observe changes in the post-Brexit UK and then make a decision. If the UK choose to become a free market economy with minimal welfare state it will economically weaken the old EU, countries like France especially. The UK has already received more direct foreign investments in 2017 than Germany and France combined! (Poland was third on that list right after the UK and minimally behind Germany)

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@Bratwurst Boy


I live in the World of reason and opportunity and not in the world of fear of the unknown (which, for that matter is not that "unknown", it may only be unknown for the old EU). Anyway, with the things are going right now I don't predict that the EU will survive another decade. At least not in this form. So we don't have to do nothing to "prove it". We just wait and see.

And Poles do have an outstanding and quite impressive skills when it comes to adapting to a changing politico-economical environment trust me on that :-)


Equal to Russia? That's an insult. Russian economy, the economy of 140 billion nation, is more or less the size of the economy of Spain. Not to mention that it's not diversified and based mostly on export of crude minerals, gas and oil.

I know that Germany is building a strong bonds with Russian over the Central and Eastern Europe heads and despite Russian aggressive behaviour.

I think Poland shall find a decent fit in the new order, being in the centre of Europe and having a well-diversified economy. Poland should focus all its attention on 3 Seas Initiative and Emerging Europe cause that's where the most opportunities to grow for a developing countries of Europe are. And not be just a producer of components for a German industry.

I can see how this could be seen as a threat to Germany but the position of Germany has significantly weakened in the recent years. Some of that has happened thanks to your wrongdoing and some problems were external, but a fact is a fact.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


It is not Poland that is destroying the EU, it is Germany and their irresponsible politics over the course of the last years.

And also, if UE is a tool then it is a broken tool. And broken tools need to be replaced or repaired. And the position of overly socialistic UE is weaker and still getting weaker every years as compared to the US and China.

Also, there's no need to leave the UE for Poland cause like I said, the EU will either collapse itself or it will change in a way that suits more conservative societies.

Even traditionally "progressive" societies are becoming more conservative these days. Apart of Germany, France and Sweden which in a long run are lost Italy and Austria are showing a sings of life.

So the best strategy for Poland is to build new alliances like Three Seas Initiative and strengthen the old ones like Visegrad 4 to have a better starting position in the new European order.

It is not Poland that is destroying the EU, it is Germany and their irresponsible politics

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@Bratwurst Boy


You're alone in your opinion then, since public opinion polls show that most Germans are ashamed of being German. One day, when Germany is gone, you may find your new heimat in Poland. But first you'll have to learn our language and our culture. Alternatively, you can grow a beard and start studying quran. The choice is all yours my friend :-P

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@Bratwurst Boy


That's simply not true. Poland has survived the madness of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia combined. Poland has survived partitions and remained true to itself. We're just simply much more resilient than you. And much more prepared for hard times to come. But you'll never understand the Polish soul. One has to have a drop of a Polish blood to understand that.

To be honest, judging form a historical perspective, there's no worse option for Poland than having Germans as our neighbour. So even having a radical muslim state behind our border is still less threatening to our sovereignty than neighbouring Germans when you look at our past "affairs" from a historical perspective.

I'm worried about the future of Poland and I believe that now it's our time to flourish. But if I was a German I would be deeply worried.


Feeling happy because the economy is doing well and that the welfare state provides is not the same as a fact of feeling pride of being German and belonging to German nation. Those are two different things. And that's what happens in Germany. "Happiness" won't help you to win the cultural war that has started in your country. Only a strong patriotism would.

And patriotism in Germany equals nationalism equals fascism because you're not known around the world for being a moderate society :-P

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Surprise, surprise. The top 3 German worries of 2016 (according to Deutshe Welle) are connected to muslim influx

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Nope. The old Europe will loose. The Emerging Europe, Central Europe and post soviet states are more sane. We will survive. Germany were culturally stronger in the XIX century but now the tides changed and Poland has a much stronger cultural definition.

So your reality distortion may work in improving your mood, Bratwurst Boy, but it won't change facts.

I can look around me to see that we're standing strong. And when I go to Germany all I see is a state of decay.

But I have to thank Germany for their recent stupid political decisions. Thanks to that, those Poles (especially the old ones born in a communist state) who still had some inferiority complex towards the West, got cured. This rendered a great political shift in Poland. Like I said, the future is bright.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@Bratwurst Boy


I'm a Pole that doesn't take any bullshit

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@Bratwurst Boy

My home and my future is in Poland.

I'm a location independent specialist. I travel a lot and I learn. That's how I know that Poland is on a good track and doing well as compared to Western Europe. Everything looks more clear from afar. So you punny attempts at undermining my voice here on this forum are just pitiful :-)

Speaking of which, your [German] reputation in upper circles of Britain is not so great. While in many parts of the world being German is even somewhat almost prestigious, in London you're seen more like mechanically skilled mental peasants.

I thought that you may like to know this, Bratwurst Boy, since Germany always wanted to fruitlessly emulate Britain.

I think now the most recurring joke here is how you tried to build Berlin Brandenburg Airport and wanted to it to be as big as Heathrow :-)

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


You can say a lot things about Britain but not that they have an inferiority complex towards germany :-). It was always the other way around throughout the history the history.


It is not that I'm particularly "obsessed" with Germany but I'm pointing out your typical German arrogance that lead you to disasters so many times in history.

And I will be pointing it out since you're so active in spreading false pro-German propaganda on this forum. Even in spite of a failed German politics in a recent years


The World "loves" Germans because they don't know them as much as we do. So you should separate a money fueled German propaganda aimed at improving the perception of a modern day Germany from the reality.

Why don't you ask regular Greeks what they think about you? :-)

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

Nobody is buying that Bratwurst Boy. You're preaching to Poles who are insensitive to this type of propaganda. We've been "trained" by communism how to separate the real thing from bullshit :-)

"There is a lie, a bigger lie, and the statistics" Mark Twain

Also, don't try to attack me personally. That's a very uncivilized thing to do. Attack my arguments and not me personally. Should I really tech you the basics of civilized human interactions?

News / How will BREXIT affect the immigrants in UK and Poland. [1114]

I think Brexit won't affect Poles too much. Poles in the UK are widely regarded as smart and hard-working employees. Britain will try to keep us many Poles as they can after Brexit

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


See? that's what I'm talking about. You don't bring nothing of value to the table. Don't deflect the conversation into personally attacking forum member on the subject of this thread. Don't waste our time with your personal issues :-)


OK, now I understand we he is so frustrated and I'll be more patient with him. I'm new to the forum so thanks for clearing that out, Ironside.


George Orwell has pointed out that "Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future."

So this is a part of a bigger agenda to shape the minds of a new generation of Americans. This also reminds me of a recent event of Karl Junker celebrating Karl Marx and Germany erecting a new Marx statue donated by ...China.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

I've joined in 2012 and was inactive for 6 years. I'm "flattered" that you have checked my background. Good, old German school. Have you also checked my family genetic tree and the shape of my skull? :-)

And I also didn't have a "pleasure" to encounter you in the past, nor to learn about you. Now that I did I'm finding you a mentally unstable person.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Well, you can call that my personal observation, Rich Mazur.


Yes, I think the backbone of Germany was broken and the recent events are not a cause but a symptom of a deeper problems and issues that German population has.

This creates an opportunity for Poland to grow in directions that were previously and historically blocked by our Western neighbour

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


The source was nazi past and WWII my friend :-)

Should I refer you to a wiki page?

Life / Political correctness in Poland [210]

Political correctness is a "foreign matter" in Poland. Either a public statement/opinion about given social/racial group is true or it's false.

If the opinion is true then nobody cares about your hurt feelings but if it is false then the person accusing or throwing an insult can and should expect repercussions.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]

@Miloslaw


Miroslaw, the question should stand: do France, UK, Spain...even Poland TRUST Germany? The answers would be quite different I can assure you.

Right now even half of the Germans don't trust their own government, which was formed after almost a half-year of pain and struggle.

thelocal.de/20180622/almost-half-of-germans-want-merkel-to-resign-poll-shows

express.co.uk/news/world/1022807/germany-news-angela-merkel-germany-coalition-government-hans-georg-maassen

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Lyzko, I think it still sound better than:

"We're sorry for destroying your country and killing 6 millions of your citizens but we won't compensate you for that. Better luck next time.

Also, it is best if you don't ever speak of this since it is destroying our peoples morale and undermines this new form of 'friendship' that we've established between our countries. And if you follow our instructions we would let you to be our new low paid suppliers of components for our automotive industry. I think that sounds fair. Danke shoen"

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Rich Mazur, with such an eloquency you should be a diplomat :-)

Actually, this process has been already put in motion.

dw.com/en/poland-greece-team-up-on-nazi-era-war-reparations-demands/a-45836168

Life / Political correctness in Poland [210]


Religious matters are always a subject of controversy in any given society. And even when the society is almost completely atheist like France, the taboo subjects still exist. You can't say certain things because you will be ostracized and/or punish by a legal system. You can call that a modern PC 'religion'

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Oh, but they love Mama Merkel and the fact that she's got such a deep pockets and is willing to share.



@Bratwurst Boy
Stop being so obsessed with me, that's not healthy. Better take an overtime cause those "refugees" will cost you a lot of dough

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


After 2015 many of them have started moving back to Poland. I personally know a few Polish families who moved back, not only from Germany but also from other western countries like Sweden.

The reason? => Sudden refugee influx and improving job market in Poland.

And I'm talking about families with kids in schools, and not some young mobile digital nomads. A regular folks who are concerned enough to quit everything and move back.

This will be visible in future statistics.

News / "It's too late for Germany" (but not for Poland) [1798]


Maybe those part will get 'Polonized' then. But the problem here is a federal government that has more power than a local one. One decision from Angela about building a huge refugees camp let's say in Rostock and relocating african and arabs there may change that.

The main problem with statistics, you see, is that they don't explain people's motivations and only present their actions post-factum, when it is too late to react already.

And a lots, a lots of inconvenient statistics are being manipulated with by the government. Examples: rape statistics in Sweden, crime statistics in Germany after 2015


But the property purchase by a German citizens has skyrocketed in a recent years for the very same reason!

gulfnews.com/opinion/thinkers/germans-move-to-orban-s-hungary-to-flee-immigrants-1.1944663