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Rysavy   
25 Sep 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

I was browsing for immigration information (planned in far future at present) and this strange and entertaining debate moved me to register. ^_^
I would think the best immigrants in general would be those that can embrace the society instead of need special allowances. Who will assimilate not overpower. Are willing to work or already set in retirement savings. Can accept the Church even if not Catholic themselves.

I know that eventually my paramour will wish to go back to Poland because of his family. He is after all the eldest and only son. So I just want to see how hard it will be to flip back over the atlantic. Specially any children we have in interim will be US citizens. Anyway that was my two cents worth.

(As 1/4 tsalagi..I can tell you how uncontrolled immigration can bury the native ethnotype LOL. I'm a tall white redhead anyway)
Rysavy   
25 Sep 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

If you move to a Muslim country you can't be offended by all the Muslims wandering around or throw a rock at a mosque.

So since Poland has like ? 90= percent of the citizenry declared Catholic..the same should apply, no?
Accepting catholics being your neighbors and all around is not like your going to go join or want to be one as well. So Why..not? Why be a rebel without a cause?
Rysavy   
26 Sep 2012
Food / Irish or English breakfast tea in Poland? [11]

English Breakfast Tea was actually invented be a Scottish tea master named Drysdale. He had idea of marketing his blend as "Breakfast Tea". "English" was added later by London Tea houses.

It is robust , full bodied and "floral" and is supposed to smell of honey when blended with milk. Aroma is important, being most of what we detect as "flavor". Celyon tames it while the caffine from Assaam gives it punch.

Irish tea has less blended and is primarily the heavier Assaam (but can also upset a ladies tummy so early ..unless she takes shots with breakfast >_<)

When not drinking Chamomile or herbal blends; personally I like sweeter tamer Orange Pekoe(dutch black) or White blends in morning and go to heavier Pureh or Oolong in later day

Hope that helps
Rysavy   
27 Sep 2012
Love / What do foreign women think of Polish men? [120]

This thread is old but most threads compare female form and features. **takes necromatic candles and lights them**

Until recent the few Polish men I've met are 1/2 + and in US.

Stubborn, Masculine, dry Humor (actually my two most favorites, my Broski (Pole1/2+ Greek/German) and my paramour are even a lil trolly)
Respectful, clever, diligent, obsessed with detail, do not smile wide without coaxing, pessimists, common sense, always thinking about way off future, traditional, romantic & marriage minded (only one pointed that MY way >_< ), serious AND eyeboggling consumers of alcohol (cept my teetotaler)

The ones I knew were all on the thin side, high foreheads (and depating lovely golden locks) with mens faces. Deep expressions, high cheelbones asn most had full kissable mouths. Oh ...all were light haired/eyed. Most pale gold skin.

I find the accent exceptionally sexy. *shrug*
Rysavy   
30 Sep 2012
Food / What made in Poland produce would you recommend [110]

My main nickname in life is Ginger Pickles.

I looove pickled foods. Polish product I know I grab from Euro deli is Sezme carkers, pickled Chantrelles, pickled fish. The rest is Candies...specially Chocolates.The store I buy from carries Wedel Ptasie Mleczko and I think the plums are the same brand as above. They also carry the neat PB&J bars. I but all manner of pickles cabbage, vegetables as=nd meats. I like the one regional keilbasa that has finer texture... forget the name. However I have them order me Bayerische Leberwurst, Nuernberg Brats and their variety of Fleisch "kindersausage". I like milk sausage too. Course now I live in a cuban and puerto rican food mecca and find few purveyors of good food. *sigh* Mmmm and gingerbread treats..from torun i think? .oh yum!

I loved being in Germany back in 70s with some cousins (technically dad's 3rd? 4th cousins?) as kid. Ah..tables groaning with potato dishes and cremes and sausages and fresh bread.. *Le Sigh*

now I'm hungry..and want to move
Rysavy   
1 Oct 2012
Love / In Poland - guys opinion about brazilian girls [21]

What do you mean dear, by "Brazilian" girls. The Latina? The Euros? The mixies? All have radically different "looks". It's even more hard to pin than saying "american" girl.

What do they think of....Morenas from Brazil...Latinas from Brazil? Tugas? Bifes? Galegos? Branquelos? ^_^
... and so on. It is near as diverse as the Upper America.
30% of my kin live there.. (both Wies and Baginski. 40 percent are stateside mostly Texas and CA) mostly around Sao Paulo.. some of us go by Bognes/Bagnes/Borges even Borques... But the history is Bohemes named Boginski that came from basque Portugal. So You can call them SA girls after several generations. The rest are around Parana or up in Alagoas. Brasil is even today cut into small mini communities of Germans, Czechs, Basques who are for most part still ethnically pure. My family are also strict catholic and the girls are not allowed to go carousing and flaunting! Not if they want to inherit anything. I almost moved down there a few years back.I love drinking Cocao as if coffee. Mmmmm.
Rysavy   
1 Oct 2012
Life / Polish Werewolves [30]

SQUEEEEE! ****kisses Ironside for that movie link****I looooove werewolf movies! Now to add to Japanese, Spanish, Mexican, American, Cheap Italian ...I have a Polish one!
Rysavy   
2 Oct 2012
UK, Ireland / Learning English but after reading comments in DM I feel it's no use [59]

Do not be discouraged...!
Specially by some trolly talk on the webz. as stated above.."haterz gonna hate".

Heckfire! A painfully large portion of native born US citizens with English first language, cannot define or use those words. I am sure if I had not been a writer's daughter I would know only two of those four.
Rysavy   
2 Oct 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

Except that they aren't declared Catholic at all. The real figures are around 40% or so and falling.

Hmm...learn something everyday. But thats why I'm here : D

Some encyclopedias, websites and travelgogues need some serious updating (and no, not counting particpatory like Wiki)?

Heh, if what you say is stastical; even my BF may need to poke his head out of college enough to see whats up around him...lol (his home is Bialystok)..it was his comments that made me look on net to see.

Edit: I see it is not quite agreed fact
Rysavy   
2 Oct 2012
Life / What do you generally think about Poles? [62]

Byronic is smexxy... oh ...the question;

I have not met many that I know of. The purebreds I know seem to be worried that..well..they are polish :/

I can say I have so far genuinely clicked with every person of full or 1/2 (still speak in house-cook-etc) descent..long before my BF.

Of those 6 people 4 are brofist kind of closeness..my kin within. My very closest, My Brah is Polish+Greek/German and large than life-twice as sassy.

Once they are not in broody , cautious silence all had witty, dry humor even trolly. Yet still had conservative manners. Conversely to the humor they are pessimistic, serious and ambitious.

(I always feel odd reviving thru necomancy...but I comply : Use the Search and Similar Threads features to avoid duplicating threads)
Rysavy   
8 Oct 2012
Life / Bishops defend Polish family [105]

page 23 - the lowest-low fertility countries (...) provide highly insufficient child-care support
page 24 - The labor market is also relatively inflexible in terms of possibilities for part-time work or re-entering the labor force after an absence due to child-birth

I would ask what the Church is actively doing to support and assist these couple that "did it right"? Or the community of parish members?

Especially in countries where it is so supported and has so loud a voice. My small catholic church in Arizona rural mtn town actually gave assistance with daycare. I was a volunteer watcher then. No other parish has yet, regardless of size, affluence or region; that I've seen.

I have 3 children at this point of time. 7-15-17. I would likely had 1-2 more if not for CHILDCARE and the high curve of RENTERING WORK FORCE. And I started late so ruined the career I worked a decade to build. I suppose in some regions you can beat this out by having a rapid litter bang-bang-bang straight out of high school and THEN working you career up..IF the default working partner is supportive, stable, mature, grounded and really pulls during the adjustments. So many "IFS". I am in full support of traditional and conservative values. Even if I fell short myself >_<.

But I also would ask what the Church is actively doing to support and assist these couple that "did it right"? Especially in countries where it is so supported and has so loud a voice. My small catholic church in Arizona rural mtn town actually gave assistance with daycare. I was a volunteer watcher then. No other parish has yet that I've seen.

When (understanding a "should" since long term planning sometimes can go awry) my dearest and I marry we have spoken of children.

(I am a divorcee. Even now, still having my parish work out how I can be in my position.LOL. The parameters for allowable divorce and remarriage within the Church are met. And then some. BUT There are some criteria that inbue that I was not even considered properly married. So how to not have my children -all baptised-..become bastards overnight is a pickle ^_^ )
Rysavy   
8 Oct 2012
News / Beer and cycling - it's time for Poles to act [46]

I am not sure why the OP is all in arms that somehow Poland is an oppressor of idiots who like to get drunk enough to be noticed as under influence; even on bicycles and having laws in effect that protect the general public. BUT many states in the US consider bikes a moving vehicle and they are subject to the same trafic laws as motor vehicles. Technically they are to be on street following traffic and NOT on pedestrian walkway menacing the ones those thoroughfares are intended.

A guy I was dating (and for obviousl reason stopped) was arrested in WA state and jailed and fined for Drunk jaywalking (and nearly causing a bad accident on rainy night) ,public drunk and of course going all angry drunk saying "MY RIGHTS" =resisting arrest. He got an article 15 as well (military sanction).

I had to actually test and get a license to ride my bike to school 3 blocks away as a child under 18 in Burbank CA..a test run by the LA County Sheriff's Dept. back in the 70s. Many states do have requirements to ride on street in certain cities.

Many states have laws against drunk walking and cycling if it is on the road. And if they are safely off road.. it must be surely a bored and diligent (or reading playboy in a dark corner of field) officer to catch them !

I don't drink and operate anything. Boat, Car, Bike..... and I often offered my friends a ride anytime as a designated driver. I love my friends. Even when they are stupid.

and in old days when I wanted to get **** drunk? I hailed a cab or had a friend drop me off.

I say BRAVO! to treating ANY drunk on a road the same. Does it matter if an accident is caused by person behind wheel or in enviroment?

**my exp: US citizen lived in the states of CA WA AZ TX OK TN KY SC NC FL VA MI on and off post** Also am avid cyclist ; former DH Gravity Assist Racer sponsered by Luna bars and Amp and Rolf (don't know it all but know what I was required to do). and bar patron by reason of queen of karaoke/dart team/pool league player
Rysavy   
8 Oct 2012
USA, Canada / Do Polish guys like American girls? [103]

My native Polish man certainly seems to find me "Sweeet!" (or would that be swietnie? lol).

And we also met via nerd route 15 months ago. One day thre was a ...wow ..I really LIKE YOU like you moment. Because I am a public personality as radio DJ, he knew all along my age, my appearance. He was shy to reveal his appearnce until the bid in affections was made. And yes. We have real lives. He is attending University in final phase of degree. I need tolook after my mother for a time and 7yr old. We were originally brahskis to the exponential nth degree.

We are muy compatico. Better ; we are Tsaadanvto owenvsv. He is my wadusili. i am "his ginger"
He has girded for battle, thrown the leopardskin on and raises shield and readied to tank the aggro as he slowly informs each important family member of his intentions (and is totally nuked poor dear. He was critted hard and Im still unsure if the DOTs are done!). He near surrendered when he faced the Final Boss "mom"and almost ended it all But I guess a decided Polish man perseveres.

(Word to note. If he is GOOD Polish boy? he is close and respectful to his family. But that also makes them a major obstacle if they disapprove. Oh and especialy if his family is Catholic!)

I don't know if he likes the American in me. I mean in general I must admit sadly that we are becoming in a large portion as a nation last few decades; rather spoiled, indolent, shallow, godless, insolent hedonists with terrible work ethics and consumer mentality instilled (Though blanket statements like the virolic fellow posting earlier is biased, and boorish)

He does like that I am buxom and a redhead (not all guys like redheads). And he does enjoy that we are both trolly. But really we connect on many levels as indivduals that wouldn't be easy to dupicate. He is not a desperate case just waiting to leave Poland ASAP. His family is upper middle class. They paid more on surgery for one of the dogs than I have on my last car. He is only son in family with professor grandparents and some engineers.

Originally the US was not the plan... he is rather different looking than the average and kind of homoginzed Poles that are on that dating site link in"safe dating site" thread. But I like that.

Hmm.Green Card..lol oh yea. Fiancee Visa after his degree and I am keeping him, stealing him away as my Import Mail Order Bride to be my manwife! =^_^= Seriously? it is better he come here first least a few years to sock some major cash back. Then we and our kid(s), shall return to Poland to live. After years as footloose military gypsy, I have no preferences of 'where". I do prefer not to busy and kinda rural and we are in concord there. My youngest needs more specialty schooling here is another factor we considered. I 'll stick out prolly. My kids? meh. I throw nice pups.

BTW :how did two nice young folk end up on Second Life? It is the Simlife style hunting ground of pedos and pervs like my X *makes the 'eeew' face* and kinda boring since it is just open sandbox with an economy. Are you guys on the kid server? Dont ever let his folks know you met there! Oh My! All you need is they google it & just look through skins and poses in marketplace and you would be BRANDED. Heck if just read up a Wiki! *quickly wipes mind with bleach to unsee what she has seen there!* Not everyone in game is a perv..but it is a game that is modded for and caters to. Since back in 2003-4 even when my X was glued there.
Rysavy   
8 Oct 2012
Life / Polish Cartoons/ Legends [15]

O.M.G!! Pooh in Polish!! It was great..... ^_^ I love the things I stumble on here!
Rysavy   
8 Oct 2012
Life / Bishops defend Polish family [105]

The American Right Wing...very often practicing and devout Roman Catholics. Irrational and unchristian.

????

Currently there are 25 Catholics in the United States Senate, 16 Democrats, 9 Republicans, and 134 (out of 435) Catholics in the United States House of Representatives, including the current House Speaker John Boehner. Joseph Biden is a Catholic, the first ever elected Vice President.

the presidential elections of 1928 when the Democrats nominated Al Smith, a Catholic who was defeated

KERRY-CATHOLIC
KENNEDYS-CATHOLICS?

Um maybe you should at least Wiki a little before spouting off. My Catholic family is MOSTLY democrats still putting Santo Kennedy's pic next to Christs! Including the native american tsalagi Catholic(they belived already in a trinity so it was easy conversion- the rest are baptists or animists or combo..lol) part of my kin

See Reagan Democrats (catholics that voted Rep). See the swing votes. More Catholics are republican now in past deacde..but a very small percentage still.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_politics_in_the_United_States
Rysavy   
8 Oct 2012
Love / My Girlfriends Decisions! Am I overreacting? British guy with Polish girlfriend. [11]

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What a terribly risky thing to do. So irresponisble. I am not sure how UK goes it. But when in custody battles it is hard enough to not have a wholesome boyfriend or fiancee scrutinized and demonized. For her to have a not well known man like that in the house..and be in a relationship her child is familiar with is tinder for the sparks the oppsoing side throws! Children talk, They are ingenous.

And he is a dangerous person to add!? How can she even think to risk and ongoing case. And the impropriety. And he is obviously an unsavory person. Surely it is not because of just his being Polish? I think I would almost be suspicious of an interest for such a big gamble. Specially timing. A month known. She met him same time she decided to return to you.

And angry at You. Think this. You could be away on business and it could be your child and hers to possibly witness something bad. He did not simply have a row with his girl and need a couch for night (and has he no male buds? really?). I am a woman and I more often lean towards the womans plight. But advise to back away slowly and run at the safety distance. Unless you went low for persoanl insults and put downs for your parting arguemnt-you did NOT overreact. And if you did not accuse her of sleeping with this guy (regardless of what may come to light) then her saying goodbye over it mean that she was that adamant. My close male friends are never a surprise to my realtionship. Nor are they common . and stress over custody- I am meek and low key during battles-fairly or not. My rights to do as an adult will lose everytime agaisnt a court smear campaign. Her priorities are skewed. And she doe snot respect you : (
Rysavy   
8 Oct 2012
Study / Times Higher Education rankings 2012 Poland's top universities at end! [93]

The methodology definitely punishes schools that don't have high extracurricular classes or wide variety of study. Also punishes new schools and school added to the list at later dates since it was establishes (this study is ...6 did it say? ). The body are coastal schools and northern ones with m-o-n-e-y

The criteria counts Nobel Prize winners that were associated with the schools yet were often educated elsewhere originally (immigrants and asylum seekers) and became alumni later in their research (which again =funding= monied)

If you look for a "sister" schools to your some of your colleges you'll find they also ranked low. Virgina PolyTech is a respected school but has a specific curriculum.

As for the number of American schools..we are the size PLUS of all europe in just US alone..our schools stretch all the way down the ratings.

Heh, ironically most of the schools that ranked high, also have football & sports teams that are known. Wonder if that is part of their social programs criteria. LOL

((feels a loser..NOT a single one of schools I attended is on the list incl engineering school that would have given acceptance straight to Cape Canaveral job if I had finished degree.. ;_;))
Rysavy   
9 Oct 2012
Love / It is more fun to have sex in Polish than in English. Discuss. [27]

Hearing it makes me wanna have sex, but when I have sex, I don't necessarily wanna hear it.

Heh..I must concur!! (Though I'd like to hear it. <_< >_> ^_^ cuz it means I made him forget english !)

And not slavic in general. I did not find my inlaws russian accents sexy, merely interesting. French is sloppy to me, I do not find it that romantic to hear, only the concepts of the archaic poets. Spanish passable if it is Antonio Banderas saying it , LOL.

I loved the soft sounds that are in the Portuguese, Basque and Boheme spoken in my households. Specially the higher tenor intonations of the Boheme men still around as I grew up.

I also like the accents of romanians and hungarians speaking english.

When I was still multilingual before my car wreck, I was not likely to say anything in a learned language like french while..um... occupied with a lover. And better the um... attentions, the less English I could remember. Even now laudable perfomance can still get phrases of Tsalagi, Portuguese or Boheme out of me when I don't barely remember it the rest of time. Some not fit for polite company. Though Tsalagi is big on metaphors.
Rysavy   
9 Oct 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

Our system is abused simply because it is the nature of our country to take in everyone.

Not really anymore... other than the free and easy way of "asylum" or illegals with anchor children. Even tighter since 911.

But even before that my neighbors at Ft Campbell. A russian professional couple that had to downgrade and he was doing military service and still needing the unit support to fight for his wife's visa. Or my dear Slovak freind Janka who married an American. She also had extra woes and requirements.

My German friend however, even divorced, became a citizen in 8 years.

Try being a Pole for example today and simply get a Visa! My BF was treated like a potential terrorist!
OR the poor Australian family from Phoenix Arizona a few years ago who had 4 citizen children and were fighting DEPORTATION after living here, working, paying taxes.. LEGALLY... over 10 years! they were Americans of australian descent by then! You still hear bout stuff like that. Our immigration is actually VERY strict and grueling for many educated caucasion/euro professionals : /

I do agree that a country with a national identity should hang tight to it!

Example: I move to Poland to work -I work and respect local custom. If I immigrate doesn't that mean I want to be Polish at least by design? Don't accomodate me... assimilate me!(even if my accent ends up so atrocious I have to pass notes).

Technically , my dearest's plan is marry, stay stateside, sock money away and then we move to Poland with our commercial art kids.

All for the cause!!! Hahaha....
Rysavy   
9 Oct 2012
Life / Bishops defend Polish family [105]

All sins can be forgiven

"A person who repents of their sin, intends to live a new life of grace, and receives the Sacrament of Reconciliation will be forgiven of all their sins (mortal sins in particular must be confessed in the Sacrament). "

As the ultimate perpetually an permanent sacrifice for sin..Christ has us covered (does not mean vengances, laws of man or other unpleasantries will not affect a murderer. Only that God's relationship has that option; to return to his company. Both by CCC and biblical statutes.)

"A person who dies in mortal sin cannot enter the kingdom of heaven and is doomed to eternal suffering in hell. "

Thre you have it. So don't skip those confessions, eh dude? And try not to get excommunicated?
what are mortal sins? meh not gonna list it. Read St Thomas Aquinas..he spells it out nice and plain and listed. Or go to a Diocese website

( I suspect the previous question was just being trolly..but there is the short answer ,compliments of CCC)
Rysavy   
9 Oct 2012
Love / Dating a Polish guy for three years. Will he ever marry me? [44]

It is refreshing and unusual that he is not living with you.
But is that on purpose? And who said no?
Is his family conservative Catholics? Is he shy or..um..unsullied? I assume (as a rowdy american and because his age) he um is active indeed.

I hate to sound pessimistic, after 3 years and not even planing a civil marriage it seems that familiarity may have bred contempt; since he lives near, yes? I don't think marriage to you is in his plans at this point, if ever.

Though generalizing is fraught with error, I will assume he is catholic. I don't think Poles "wait" once they decide THAT girl is to be their wife, even if they only took 3 days to think it.

You do have that his family likes you. That is certainly a boon. But still 3 years and it seems subject was killed when brought up. And you gave no reasons on either side like he wants to finish a degree or get a stable job. Or that you have to wait some court decision out or wanted to wait until one of your children is in school or you want a job. You said to him "but we live in UK" but did not post he gave an answer, There's your sign.

Based on the two Polish men I know well..I would have to say "NO"

Soon as my fella decided we were to be paired. Marriage was subject brought up..by HIM. He has faced adversity from family, doubts, drama...almost backed away to friend zone. Then unlatched the sword and came through shining.

We (He especially-darn pragmatist) have made plans for marriage. How hard it will be or not (I'm divorced with kids but I'm RC and my divorce fit RC criteria to allow remarriage). Who should work, when. Kids? How many? how long in US? return to Poland or retire elsewhere?

My particular fellow is pessimistic, stubborn, serious, pragmatic, and hard working. I can't say if yours is the same. if that is upbringing or ethnic trait. He is also very catholic.

My 'brother from another mother' is agnostic in his personal ways. And he totally pursued relentlessly the only two women he pointed out as "future wife".
Rysavy   
9 Oct 2012
Love / It is more fun to have sex in Polish than in English. Discuss. [27]

^_^ My Lech IS Polish...

I am divorcee
youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JDxSnQqAYeY

My previous spouse was 1/2 Russian and first generation born in US.

(wont go into him much.lets just note that I fit ALL the criteria to be remarried RC)
Rysavy   
9 Oct 2012
Life / Bishops defend Polish family [105]

Congress has never been more dysfunctional because the Catholic Church is trying to get the Republicans to legislate morality

Dude..Who are all the CATHOLIC republicans you speak of. How many are in Electoral College? We are rare and hassled by family all the time! MOST CATHOLICS ARE DEMOCRATS.(see above). You keep parroting it-give ONE solid example? Who when ? Did they meet even the Pope-are they often invited to Archbishops Councils?

You want to bash Republicans and Catholics so bad you are making them into a chimera. You must be very extreme Left to be so focused and obsessed on unsubstatiated theory. you may truthfully and correctly say radical Right supporters. But the rest is whiney biased hogwash. And kinda offensive.

And you are unlikely a US Catholic are you...or you would know this.

The Church didn't require a priest at marriage until 1563, so for approximately 1200 years all people had to do was move in together which is what they did.

"SURVEY SAYS?" Bzzzzt!
A simplistic view... the Church still had rules. As did non Christians. Which "The Church " do you refer? After it as called Catholic?As did non Christians. There were many SPECIFIC rules for marriage even in primitive culture.. though no piece of paper. Modern property law was not as it was then, nor couples raising children themselves instead of in big family clan units. I know Cherokee didn't just "shack up " and it is instant marriage bann.

Because it was all about land ownership-specially the later styles of marriage. At least these customs provided women with some limited freedoms.

Catholicism was the practiced religion, and everything revolved around the parish church. Before a marriage could take place, the church required that there be no relation between the couple. This issue was debated for centuries, but as early as the 13th century, it was fixed at four degrees. (This means that a couple who shared a great-great-grandfather could not marry.) This often created a problem for the people living within a small village. A preexisting marriage or prior marriage agreement could also prevent the marriage (Marriage: MOwest).

blogs.wp.missouristate.edu/creativewritingcontest/2008/07/19/marriage

However Ancient Egypt did

Marriage was an agreement or a contract between two families[/i] that involved the exchange of gifts and property. (...)

In Catholic Scotland it was required to obtain a marriage license or to have the banns read in church for three Sundays in a row

Wedding rings-more durable than paper is as old as 2800BC Egypt
Which finger is ring finger is as old as 3rdBC Greece
Marriage Customs from 200 N. EU like carrying the bride over threshold are with us today

During European feudal times, all public announcements concerning deaths, taxes, or births were called "banns". Today we use the term exclusively for an announcement that two people propose to marry. That interpretation began as a result of an order by Charlemagne, king of the
Franks, who on Christmas Day in A.D. 800was crowned Emperor of the Romans, marking
the birth of the Holy Roman Empire . Charlemagne, with a vast region to rule, had a practical medical reason for instituting marriage banns.HE issued an edict throughout his unified kingdom: All marriages were to be publicly proclaimed at least seven days prior to the ceremony.

churchofancientways.org/banns.html

**try reading "Origin of Family, Private Property and the State by F. Engels
Dickerman, Lysander. "The Condition of Women in Ancient Egypt."
Gilchrist, A. G. "A Curious Scottish Marriage Custom."
Hartland, E. Sidney. "Marriage Superstitions
Wedding Traditions - Excerpts From
"Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things"by Charles Panati

Your use of "cynic" is clever but does not apply in context. they were a cult following of Antisthenes (socrates lesser disciple angry that favor was given to the monied student; Plato. asn had a political bent against teh affluent which is were his preaching morality =no materials craop came from) who became famous for being alybaout rabble and for viscious physical attacks on the rich Good reads:

The Athenian Agora & Socrates in Agora by the Am Schol of Classical studies: Athens
Daily Life in Ancient Greece By R. Flaciere
Any tongue in cheek work by Xenophon
Ancient Greece at Work by Glotz

Oh and The Holy Bible. It really is a good read..agree or not with its content. New testament mostly applies to today with exceptions Jesus mentioned from deuteronomy and numbers. And the Didache...though you may not consider THAT scripture even if it is a compilation done by the living apostles of Jesus and their disciples. The Scriptures do not use word "MORTAL" but you are shaving hens teeth. However Jesus, John and Paul ALL address the sins of eternal Death and their works are considered 'Scriptures" The Catholic Church named the deadly sins venial and mortal. But they were named and split in the time of Christ. The sins you could chance dying with versus the sins that were one way tickets to hot town.

wow what a waste of my classical education..... the internet.*sigh*
Rysavy   
10 Oct 2012
Life / Made in Poland clothes (Warsaw) [12]

Americans think they are too good to make clothes

Aww that is not fair..

The Carolinas were big into textiles AND assembly wel into the 80s. Many well known and respected Union label brands were outsourced when the textiles mills moved out of country. Many were brands that were for Older Dept stores. But Land & Sea, Tanner , Levi's, Wrangler (which I belive is in Poland ;p now )

1 in 10 manufaturing jobs were in clothing assembly until mid 80s. American brands were usually union lables so cost was often 3x more than say asian made before markup. And sweatshops for clothing assemby were becoming more common during the phase over to outsourcing. Once the tariffs and restrictions were removed from these corporations about operating overseas asn "importing" brand product. Especially private label"

Various trade liberalization initiatives and import restrictions on textiles and apparel have defined U.S. foreign policy in the industry over the past several decades. In 1974 and four times after that, some 45 signatories—including eight developed countries and dozens of developing ones—signed a pact called the Multi Fiber Arrangement, which established restrictions and quotas for the import of textiles and goods from developing countries into developed ones. This 30-year buffer expired in 2004. In 2005, apparel imports from China increased by almost 100 percent. And the biggest rapid decline was DIRECTLY thanks to NAFTA.

Walmart coaxed big textile giants like Cannon do move overseas for cheaper production.

The Free trade agreement wil take the last of local cotton and textile overseas. I wonder what links there are left nowdays. Plenty prolly.

*sigh* PHX I want to go home to Payson soooooo bad. I hate humidity!
Rysavy   
10 Oct 2012
Life / Bishops defend Polish family [105]

An article from 2008? ABOUT AN EVENT IN 2005? Really? in the ..*cure dramatic music* OPINIONS section? Something that is 2 elections ago?
An opinon piece by a writer who used to have a bias against the catholic church but became a Catholic and is part of NCR and here:

So in any article he would REACH for catholic connection-firstto bash..now to praise. He is actually a celebrity of sorts in conversion.

"...The second trajectory setting encounter ((**for his conversion**)) was with a Catholic co-worker whom I hassled regularly. In my mind she was not a Christian[/i] and thus a target for evangelism. Worse yet, she was a wolf among sheep (we worked together in a prominent evangelical ministry). After a year of patient replies to my constant prodding, she announced that she was leaving. At her going away party she asked five of her co-workers to sit on high bar-stool like chairs prominently placed at the front of the department meeting area.[/i]

I guess part my fault..I didnt specify on TODAY'S regime. and it still the article no STATISTICAL evidence on the lawmakers of time, only names which were obvious AND Republican. But any President would meet the NEW POPE elected 2005. DOH! That does not indicate closed door negotiations. Bush sure aint no catholic. Sometimes the right meets and shakes hands in views on Conservative, traditional values. That's all.Tsk!

Theoria, Praxis, and the Contemplative Life after Plato and Aristotle
edited by Thomas Bénatouïl, Mauro Bonazzi (About the Hellenistic Golden Age an philosophy schools)::

" ...it might seem natural for philosophers to embrace the contemplative lifeor some version of it, thus promoting their own devotions to philosophical teaching asn research in order to gain more followers. Clearly this is not what happened. After first generation of disciples of Plato, we have no trace of explicit defence of contemplation in the Academy. As to the new philosophical schools, the Cynicsor the Pyrrhonists** , the Epicureans or teh Stoics, they clearly did not subscribe to Plato's and Aristotle's Lebensideal and even attacked several aspects of it."

**"The Cynics are probably the most radical opponents of contemplative life[/b], since they do away not only with knowledge of heavens as useless but also intellectual knowledge asn imitation of god as a whole: See Diog Laert. 6.27 about Diogenes moking astronomy, also Diog.Laert.9.64-65 AND Sextus Adv. Math 11.20=fr 60-62 by Caizzi***

And um dude..no false God.. if there is a flaunt to the Commandments it would have to be..IDOLTRY...IMAGES. And who says allCatholics think it proper?

And I think the words of Daniel Burke can apply:

"A friend of mine who had preceded me to Rome confronted me with the most difficult choice I faced. "When are you going to recognize that there are only two options? You either submit to the Church and the authority that Christ established, or you rule yourself on the basis of your own judgement" - which, he reminded me, was the fundamental choice that had spawned over 30,000 denominations since the Reformation. His question resonated with me and brought it all down to a very simple equation; I would either trust in my own limited judgment [...]"

something gone crazy with bold-I cannot correct edit it- mod plz?)
Rysavy   
11 Oct 2012
USA, Canada / Do many Polish people in America hate Americans? [592]

Wow, as I was dithering and lurking; this thread sure took a turn!

I 'm an opinionated cuss myself ..but no need to get so mean and personal.

Though I have met very few former native Polish here in US (I must live in places that dont interest them?), I have met a plethora of people...and quite a few illegals as well. Though I've seen some use the system (and big fat momma from Okie town don't?), in general I have only seen a widespread use of the system by latinos and Armenians. Mostly Mexicans.

Regardless of that , I must say to OP; I have -as a fairly white looking rehead American with Southern accent- met very few new arrived/1st generaton "foriegn" people living in US that "Hate" Americans.

Many cultures regard us spoiled and lazy. They are not wholly incorrect. But they are usually the ones cringing in expectation of me saying something terrible because my sterotype acccent.

Horrible suburbs? are just neighborhoods about to become ghettos. The real Estate booms that hit in 80s ( i was home in AZ during the Keating 5) and then again in the Bailouts left ghosttowns that were not maintained and brought down rest of the area. But most suburbs I know still look nice even being 30-40 years old.

(I admit that the Valley in LA, Geary Ave in SF, Virgina Beach, VA; Phoenix/Mesa AZ; and Oly , WA are the only large Cities that Ive lived in Suburbs instead of on post. Most areas I've lived were Military Compounds and Rural suburbs. But I've only seen that kind of hellhole in mostly abandoned hoods or places where govt did sudden relocate of the not best representatives of some countries en mass)

The few Polish I have met that were able to communicate enough, were pessimistic, introverted dry weisenhiemers that got totally bombed when partying. But Hate American's? Nope. Goes for most transplants I've met incl illegal : Laotions, Vietamese, Mexicans, Dominicans, Russians, Armenians and one surly canuck (whhhyyyy? lol. He stayed in Phx and worked undertable. too surly to get along with other canadians?*snerk*). Goes for military spouses from other places.

All I ever got in a consensus is our food sucks and is bad for you. >_<

I sure don't want to live where these people posting have lived. P|0x- give locations to avoid-Thx!
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Okay I lie..! That one location sounded interesting! most I made as a general contractor was 21/hr. That company went under when owner's wife got cancer. I went Army. But whatever state that is ; warszawianka ? I want to work where I make 50/hr under table!! !! Me! Me..pick me! I do drywall, plumbing, plasterwork, brickwork, stonework, framing and carpet. I also do tile work, including pool as well as roofing including slate tile when I was licensed. I never got trained or wanted electrical or AC work. I can operate heavy equip(thx uncle sam). I read blueprints, can mix concrete. I also can weld wrought iron. I can pretend to know bad english..I'l speak enough pidgin basque or tsalagi. I 'll dye my hair dark and be their big dumb indian the whole building season for 50/hr tax free!

And those easy benefits! My youngest is disabled and I have to fight and prove Im not rich overnight nor him cured EVERY 3 months. Though mostly Boheme, I have "Hispanic" and 1/8 "Native American", I'm female. Over 40 AND a 10%disabled VETERAN. I'm the token EVERYTHING! I get? NADA In NC/AZ and FL this applied. It must be same trick those hoodrats in designer gear with bling and iphones use in SW US.

Man, I should get EVERYTHING in that state! ;p

Do I HAVE to be pregnant? *sigh* I'll take the job first. Concrete work I did undertable in AZ only paid about 10/hr in 2009.

Hey seriously-they pay 50/hr under table_Im looking for shithole apt in that zone like yesterday! And I'll hire one of those girls you mention, that has children that look wellfed and clean to watch my kid. She can be like my wife on loan.

I am soon going to stay with my mom and work at the axle plant for far less to catch up my finance a little and get savings back up. I'll be making 11/hr after probation as "temp".
Rysavy   
11 Oct 2012
USA, Canada / Getting a VISA to USA by a Polish person nowadays [339]

It is hard..
there were so many hoops to leap that this Sept a visit was cancelled. He is wholesome college student from good family and no bad record.

If the rate of complications that military friends had is anything to go by, it is tougher for quite a few EU nations it seems, especially E and Central.

But I have been instrumental in getting legal and illegal mexicans Visas (my mum married a legal and his cousins were NOT). Yet when I used the same process for a simple visit Visa? it PHAiLD. I was shocked. The whole summer was wasted trying to do this. At least most the funds were returned.

Next time it will be a finacee Visa. And I had that process set up for me by an atty, so when we are ready I just date everything and send the packets.

I only hope when we and our kid(s) go other direction it is not so hard.
Rysavy   
12 Oct 2012
Life / Bishops defend Polish family [105]

it's not the philosophers that we're talking about here, it's the Catholic Church.

^ .. v ? ? ?

The Roman Catholic Church "Contemplative Life" comes from the Greek cynics. The whole concept that the material world doesn't matter.

So now you are talking of something different? And not saying cynic philosphy is where the Church got Contemplative Life? Or that the behavior, politics, philosphies and beliefs of cynics can be applied to even the most hypocrital and evil person calling themself Catholic (much less the main body of members)?I missed the memo. Pardon.

And quote me anywhere where I have put forth that none may have personal relationship with God EXCEPT for the Pope. Or Mentioned the Pope? You started out with general exaggerated statements and I provided more details.

You can be so familiar call me silly? Because the information provided shows your examples were not quite fitting? How forward and childish.

Yes it is obvious our viewpoints disagree..but ownership of one's opinion and familiarity of the counterpoints could make things where it informs instead of disinforms. And doesn't resort to name calling?

I should read the Bible? Really? My personal Bible is here at my desk near my bed. Where is yours located? It went to Kuwait with me, Panama, Somalia and many posts. It stayed in my left cargo pocket in protective cover. I read it once a week, sometimes more when I need strength. I am not a theologian. I cannot randomly quote a passage for every occasion. As to what Christianity means to YOU? it is not necessarily how it is defined by any Church, incl RC. christianity as set forth in Bible is MORE than about charity..and it has RULES. And Christ never said to throw away the Old Testament. Quite the opposite. I read ALL the New Testament..not just select pieces. To be general and paraphrasing; Matthew's Gospel is mostly of evangelism, for Levi the tax collector who called himself later Mattai was called to convert. He worked hardest as an educated convert to convert the Jews. And the article of faith concerning the Church on Matthew's lips: "Credo in sanctum, ecclesiam catholicam-I believe in the holy, Catholic Church." It is the only gospel having the the word "church" in it and it appears twice from the lips of Jesus. "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (16:18) and a Church that has the power to expel heretics from its midst (18:17). Jesus says that: "I have not come to abolish the law...but to fulfill it" (5:17). "Not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven. Only those who do the will of my Father" (7:21)."Whoever breaks the least of these commands and teaches others to do so, shall be called least in the kingdom of God" (5:19). (It is Paul that stressed acts of grace more and corporeal acts of mercy)

I do not think anywhere in Matthew does he say Christian "charity" trumps obedience. You may not agree with the Catholic Church as she is today. But any wrongdoing on her part does not allow for other wrongs

And guys? Isn't there ALREADY a thread to discuss the vagaries of "pedophiles" in churches? That arguement was brought up in a thread about the offcial view on traditional convervative values and stance on abortion? Really?

And what church has the most percentage? (um as compared to incidence in other positions of power over minors... schools, daycare, ozarks or Kansas?) And what about less sensationalized cases?

And one church "does it more" means what . 0_0 And the arguement itself is always brought up as a way to attack the Church in whole instead of condemming the abominable pervsions of individuals.

You are all so obsessed on that subject one would think it's a fetish! Unless the thread is about that subject it is very crass to bring it up as a foil to bolster personal opinon.
Rysavy   
13 Oct 2012
USA, Canada / Do many Polish people in America hate Americans? [592]

He makes a bunch of money on materials (whatever is left over and whatever "goes missing"). He is not paying tax nor benefits

Aww there always is what is under the rock. *sigh*

After my old company sold..that kind of Shennanigans is why I quit employ of the company who bought us out. Chincery and theft I can't go for (SSID shell games and cooking the books-I was the bookkeeper and Jr. Foreman. Was NOT gonna sign off on those)

As times get tougher, sometimes I do waver in resolve ..you can't eat principles.