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t0bias   
14 Jan 2012
Law / IT department (computer programming) - Opening up an Office/Business in Poland [53]

Hey!

We're looking into opening up an office in poland for our IT department (computer programming).
We have one German citizen who's able to open up the company and take care of everything but we have some questions and I hope maybe someone on here can help us out a bit.

- In which city would i find the best computer programmers? (mainly web related coding (PHP/JS/HTML/Database) - maybe which is the best university for IT?)

- Which city would be best to open up a business/office in general?
- In the city you recommend, how are the rent prices for office/apartments and the avg. salary?
- Are there any full service agencies who take care of everything? (accounting, office space, apartments for our employee, translations, help with forming the business etc.)

- How are the taxes in Poland? (income, personal, etc.)
- Where can i find computer programmers? (job sites, maybe something like craigslist?)
- Is there anything else we need to know?

Thank you so much for your help!

- Tobias
t0bias   
16 Jan 2012
Law / IT department (computer programming) - Opening up an Office/Business in Poland [53]

hey, thanks so far for your help! :)

(btw. I'm not the same person as delphiandomine, I don't even know why you would think that?)

well, personally I have rather simple issues with it... things like "where to start", where do you actually find coders, where to register the business, do i need a native to help me translate all the papers, where can i find a CPA (or should i not get one?), related to that i guess all official documents are in polish, isn't there a full service agency that helps me create the business and settle over there for a fee (find office space, find apartments, posts job postings, does translations etc.)...

I'm googling around since a week now and I couldn't find anything really useful yet.

greetings from san diego (not germany),

- Tobias

cms
we learned that pure outsourcing in our business just won't do it - our software is to special to be just written down. you need someone overseeing the process or you end up with a huge mess.

I tried many times, it just won't work. coders in california are getting more and more expensive thanks to san francisco and their whole silicon valley bullshit that is going on... pumping billions of dollars into worthless startups paying their coders half a million a year and giving them percentages... the side-effect is that most good coders move to SF for exactly that reason and the few that stay behind are asking for crazy salaries.

I'd rather go to eastern europe or china and pay a bunch of very capable coders a fraction of what the guys make here but still more than they would expect in their country just to make clear i really need them.

the economy here is doomed anyway... ;)

by keeping stuff in house, you can often save more money, you retain the knowledge, rather than pay to educate another company's employees
what is more when it is reorder time, your client may approach the outsourcer direct and cut you out of the loop completely

exactly, I'd rather own the code and the coder.

IT graduates
- is there a way to find out where there smartest hiding? ;)

so far I really like warschau, just because it's a major big city. I know about the location issue, that you're just moving further and further away from west europe and especially germany as hub but I think, the bigger the city, the bigger the opportunity and chance to find good office space, a nice apartment and good coders. more people = more to chose from.
t0bias   
16 Jan 2012
Law / IT department (computer programming) - Opening up an Office/Business in Poland [53]

Like i said, the reason we're doing this is because salaries here in SoCal are just insane, also we can't find enough good people.

The job is very demanding, it's web based programming (PHP/Python/MongoDB/nodejs/JS/HTML).
Plans are to hire at least 6-10 coders and probably 2-3 designers as a start and then later on double or even triple it.
I would like to find very high skilled workers and we're able to pay above average salary to attract them, at the end the question is where I would find quality. Mostly I would look for the best University in the country but I don't know enough about Poland to determine where this would be. My first guess was Warsaw because of its size. The bigger the city the more people you have, the more people it attracts, the more companies are created in the city, which mostly comes along the way of having better Universities etc.

At the same time I don't want to be off the grid in some smaller city where the whole vibe is most likely rather depressing.
t0bias   
16 Jan 2012
Law / IT department (computer programming) - Opening up an Office/Business in Poland [53]

The very demanding part is... ?

long work hours - we have a lot of work ;)

The back-end infrastructure is why several big names in the IT world have offices here.

see that would be interesting to know - where are other big IT offices (microsoft, etc.) or where are the best technical universities. stuff like that would help a lot.

if i watch all the videos and look at pictures the only thing i see is that most cities look rather boring but thats my outsider view on things. someone told me there are tons of universities in krakow which for me means there are tons of young, smart and cheap workers for me who want to learn more or are finished with their degree and need work with the benefit of having bars and clubs around for the evenings. but i can't judge that from the outside. it would be nice if someone could point out which city specifically would be attractive in general. (i mainly say the bar/club stuff because if there is a good night life, that mostly means people are generally happier with the place.)