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Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

My ex-partner recently gave birth to our child and was insisting on taking them out of the UK and that I would never see them again. I have taken steps to ensure that this does not happen in taking out a ‘Preventative Steps Order’ through the UK courts that prevents my ex-partner from taking our child out of the UK. The UK border agency and Polish consulate have been informed of this action. However, are there any other steps that I should take to ensure that my child cannot be taken out of the UK immediately, or sensible actions that I should take in the future? I should say that I am not married to the mother, nor at present on the birth certificate.

I am not acting in a malicious manner or with anger towards my ex-partner. I simply want my child to have both parents in their life so hopefully despite their parents not being together they have the best childhood possible.

Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

so you couldnt be arsed to make it to the registry office to register your kids birth, nor did you marry her. Loser.

Thank you for your very helpful piece of advice, I can obviously see that whilst you're online there is a village definitely missing an idiot!
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

1) Very grown up, are you just a "HATER', or are you trying provoke people!
2) If the mother wants to not name you on the birth certificate that is their choice, and not up to me so I will have to go to court to do this which is what I am doing.

3) I have offered to pay for the child's needs, and go to visit the child every week to have the door closed in my face.

4) She decided she wanted to be a single parent, not me. I have done all I could to take responsibility and have taken all of my ex's abuse and not responded to her insults.

5) What would you call it if you were barred from seeing your own child and them being taken away from you and not being told where they were moving to?
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

look anglik I dont know, that sounds bad but I just know these one sided stories are just that, one sided. Why would she do that if you were Mr Angel Anglik?
Did you drink, take drugs, threaten her, insult her? What?
I must apologise if I have got it all wrong.

I agree with you about these one sided stories, I'm no saint and would never claim to be. I don't drink to excess, but I like a beer or glass of wine, I don't do drugs, I haven't threatened her and I haven't insulted her. I was going to ask her to marry me after she became pregnant because I couldn't think of anything better than being with her and her having our child. However, after having discussed marriage she then said she wasn't sure. My ex seemed to change after she went home for a visit and just pushed me away, one argument that wasn't huge and that was it. I have chatted to friends who have been pregnant recently and my Polish friends and explained the full details of the argument that I don't want to into detail about here, and they can't understand it. True they are only hearing my version of events, but I have explained what it could of seemed like from my ex's point of view. Neither of these two groups of my friends understands the initial break up and are even more confused by the way she is stopping me from seeing my child now.

I agree with your point totally about there being two sides to every story, but I honestly don't understand where it all went so wrong. Now I want to concentrate on my child having their father in their life and being a responsible Dad. So any advice you can give me would be appreciated.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

I think your best option is to go through the courts. get yourself a good lawyer- a female lawyer that supports the rights of fathers.

Hi Pip

Many thanks, I have that covered, a good female solicitor

Hi Rozumiemnic

Many thanks and sorry to call you a 'hater' earlier.

I have a good lawyer, but I don't want to get social services involved as I think she is a very good mother from the little that I have seen; and also that would just be being cruel to her.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Pawian

I don't mind her going back to Poland with my child as long as I get to see my child. The education system is probably better, there is less crime and I wouldn't mind living in Poland myself after I have learnt some more Polish.

Not keeping her in the UK against her will, I just want to be recognised as the father so I can take responsibilty for my child. After I have parental responsibility, visitation rights and sorted out a few minor legal issues I am happy to fly to Poland to see my child. I have been to Poland several time and enjoy being in the country and have friends over there.

I completely agree my ex has the right to go back to Poland and take our child with her. I just want to make sure that I play an active part in my child's life and am able to provide for them.

I would rather go through the English courts as I don't speak much Polish to my shame, and my ex speaks excellent English so it is an even playing field.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Polishmama

I can't comment on the law as I am not a legal expert, but both men and women can claim the law favours the other sex from what I have heard.

The money is there ready and waiting, as when all of the issues are resolved I expect to pay child support going forward and what has been refused in the past.

I am not stopping my ex from going to Poland, but just want to make sure I have legal rights as children do need their fathers. Don't worry you haven't hurt my masculine pride about children needing their mothers first, that is a simple fact when it comes down to breast feeding the child. The only thing that concerns me about my ex's return to Poland with our child is that I will be disadvantaged in Polish law until I am clearly recognised as the father. Apart from that I am happy for my child to return to Poland once I have parental rights, visitation agreed and all legal issues resolved.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Polishmama

You weren't being rude in anyway just voicing your opinion so there was no way that I could take it negatively. ;-)

I agree with you about looking at the relationship with the mother as she appears to have changed radically. I have been very patient according to my friends and have tried to see it from her perspective many times, trying to tread the path of reason and calm, whilst tearing my hair out in private. I liked your comment about three sides to every story and I agree.

All I really want is some advice on trying to settle this in a reasonable manner, whilst my ex won't listen to reason or consider what is best for our child. The child is paramount in this and always will be, but how can I make my ex see that our child needs a father and I just want to look after this child.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Rozumiemnic

Not sure if she has another man in her life, that is her personal business. My concern is with our child.
Worked out the dates so pretty certain of being the father.
She didn't want to put me on the birth certificate as it stops her freedom of movement and allows me a say in how the child is brought up etc. This is what she told me.

Thanks again!

Hi Polishmama

I agree about the mother being happy and this rubbing off on the child, and this has made me think on several occassions that maybe I should exit the picture. However, my father walked out as did my ex's so I know from personal experience that children need their fathers. Whilst I wish my ex all the happiness in the world I want my child to be happy first and foremost, so I believe that both parents must act in the child's best interests to achieve this, even if they dislike each other in private. It is a shame to me that I have to take this to court to be recognised legally as the father, when I would rather put this money towards my child's future.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Polishmamma

Maybe you misunderstood some of what I was trying to say, or I have misunderstood what you were trying to say, but this is all about the child for me. I want my ex to be happy, but there are two sides to a relationship, and now there are three with the child being the most important. I appreciate you are seeing this from the mother's point of you, but when you say if the mother is unhappy this will be passed onto the child. So this would mean in any case of separation the woman cries unhappiness and the father is supposed to step aside as otherwise this would feed through to the child. No, the mother has to do what is best for the child as does the father. Sorry, but I really take issue with the fact that the father should just step aside to make the mother happy. Sorry, if I have misunderstood what you are trying to say or if this offends you, but the child must always come first.

As for the DNA test that is a pre-cursor to gaining parental responsibility in the UK. However, in Poland my Polish friends tell me that a valid DNA will also allow you to be added to a birth certificate which is more preferable to having parental rights in the eyes of the Polish legal system.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

HI Polishmama

Can we leave behind the abandonment of the family home as that is not the situation in my case. I'm not trying to blackmail my ex, I just want what is best for my child. I want them to know both their British and Polish heritages, whereas my ex is the one refusing visitation and denial of half their heritage. To reiterate all I want is what is best for the child and to therefore have some say in their upbringing so they grow up to be happy and healthy. I really want to work things out amicably, but I am facing an uphill struggle with this.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Polishmamma

Sorry, misunderstood the point there totally. A very valid argument, but I am really in the dark as to this and what I could possibly do. So if you have any ideas please let me know and I will certainly think about them.

To be honest I wish my ex was her to state her case. Then I could just sort this mess out and if I have done things wrong apologise for them as could she, and hopefully work something out for the child's best interests!
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Polishmamma

I am more than happy to try your suggestions as I certainly don't know everything, but I am not sure if my ex will be so keen on these classes now that I think about it.
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Polishmamma

I can assure you my intentions are in the best interests of the child, and there are has never been even a hint of abuse from me!

Let us hope things are worked out for the best for this child!
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Zimmy

I'm not going to get involved in any arguments on this forum as to me I am just here to get the best for my child, but I really do appreciate your support and best wishes. If you have any advice on what you think I should do please let me know as I am more than willing to listen. Also thanks for the comment about being a 'nice guy' as sometimes with everything that is going on I feel a bit shell shocked and find myself wondering what I have done so wrong!
Anglik1   
27 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Hitman

I am strong most of the time, but sometimes I just have those moments as it sounds you know when you just stop and wonder who turned the world on it's head.

Following my solicitor's (lawyer's) advice as she is very good, but trying not to be nasty as I don't want my ex to have anything that she can say to my child that will turn them against me in the future.

Will investigate Fathers 4 justice, many thanks for the pointer!
Anglik1   
28 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Escar

I understand completely what your saying and the point you are making. It is indeed very, very valid and I have not taken my actions without immense consideration. I have tried to reason and discuss the issues, but have just been told that I will not be allowed to see my child. My recourse to legal action has been taken with a great deal of regret, but I have at every turn tried to put the child first, bury my emotions and above all be reasonable and understanding. When you can do no more you take the action that I have and you still feel tremendous guilt in doing so. However, what choice do you have if the other person refuses all reasonable attempts to find a solution and sees the child as purely a commodity, I wish I could elaborate more, but that is tied to a legal issue. I have to emphasis I am in no way stopping this woman from returning to her own country and family I am merely ensuring my child knows their father which my ex is trying to prevent. I have wrestled with this, putting myself in my ex's shoes as it were thinking how she must feel, but she has made a good life for herself in the UK and has lived here for over 9 years. My ex is not a frightened individual in the UK as this country is more of her home to her than Poland having spent more of her adult life here than in Poland. Also I am not some evil person who is preventing this innocent from returning home, she has been quite vocal in her anger and abuse towards me. She has threatened me on several occasions with several things just because I want to see my child and turn up at the door to see my child, so I don't think she feels trapped, merely angry that I won't just let her do whatever she wants with our child!

I just want to reiterate I am not stopping my ex from leaving the country or living her life, but why should she stop our child from having a father who loves them.

As for trust like many things it's a two way street, and I have turned the other cheek many times.
Anglik1   
29 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Polishmamma

Everyone who has spoken to my ex partner as stated that it sounds as thought she is just after money, even people I would not expect this comment from at all!

I think your comment about a man's relationship to a child being fundamentally different has been turned on It's head by those fathers who stay at home to look after children. Sweeping generalisation no longer appear to work in the 21st century, old norms and conventions are being broken daily!

Your comment about 'our child' is sexist out of date and such an insult to be beyond contempt. If I was to make such a sweeping generalisation in reverse I am sure you would be up in arms. A child needs whoever feeds them, changes them, cares for them and loves them. Be they male or female, a baby does not only have to be breast fed and doesn't remember the nine months it spent in the womb. An example might be that of nannies who are treated by some children as their real mother, when their birth mother is a complete stranger to the child. Or a mother who rejects a child due to postnatal depression, and there are other such numerous examples, such as a child rejected by both parents and brought up by a grandparent. I'm sorry your argument holds as much water as a sieve.

It doesn't sound selfish it just sounds sexist, so don't worry about that! A child bonds with whom ever looks after it, so the connection is purely on the mother's side not the child's and this maybe where some women get the idea that their child was the result of the immaculate conception! Another purely sexiest comment about a man viewing a child as a commodity. How dare you even say that to me! You don't know me and I have posted in this forum to get advice on trying to be a proper responsible father and have to be confronted with this remark. Maybe if you knew my ex you might understand a bit better. However, I suspect your obviously dogmatic view precludes you from viewing anything upon an objective basis!

As for the next paragraph your rant against men please take the axe that you apparently have to grind elsewhere!

I am here on this forum to help my child have a good happy childhood and help them grow up to be a fully rounded individual. I repeat I am not here to hurt, upset, be cruel or in any other way be nasty to my ex-partner! This has clearly not come across, so yet again I find I have to repeat myself!!!

Sorry, but please take your sexist dogma elsewhere. I've always appreciated constructive comments, but I find your insulting!

Good luck than, man, in this endevour and let's just hope that the kid comes out of this with his/her psyche intact. I suppose it is possibly better to have two loving parents fighting over one then none at all, but still not as good as two loving parents working in concert. I hope you guys manage to come to an amiable solution.

Escar

I don't really think you have grasped the situation at all 'two loving parents working in concert'! I have been reasonable and tried every avenue to work in concert in this, and have my child's best interests at heart, where as my ex it would it appears would like to deny the child a loving father. Therefore, sometimes you have to get the courts involved so that they can decide what is best for the child and not just the mother who exacts in a selfish manner! As for the child's psyche if I do nothing then it will be damaged by feeling that their father does not or didn't care about them. You can also I should add damage a child's psyche by not giving them boundaries, treating them as adults when they are clearly not and in a thousand other ways! It is necessary in life to take a stand, and yes question that you are still doing the right thing from time to time. It is only those who are arrogant enough not to have any self doubt that concern me!
Anglik1   
30 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Mart

You are by far the biggest moron, because you haven't read my posts correctly as I have mentioned that I asked her to marry me and she changed her mind, also reasoning with her has failed and their was no option left, but legal means. You cannot show unity where the other person is just absorbed with their own wants and will not discuss what is best for the child and fails to have an open mind!

I would insult you, but judging by your failure to read my posts correctly you wouldn't understand that either. So why don't you just wade in with your ill informed comments and insults you ignorant thug!

Its just I simply detest fekless parents who take off to other countries,lets just say its personal for me.

Really sorry to hear that it's personal for you too!
Anglik1   
30 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi Zimmy

I have to say I don't want to be drawn into any arguments. However, having said that I have found Polishmamma's comments so unbelievably insulting, and I am starting to agree more with some of your points!
Anglik1   
30 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

f stop

That was perfectly put, exactly the way it should be, the child is the most important one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No games, no politics, but what is best for the child!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you so much for saying that!!!!
Anglik1   
30 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

f stop

I agree and I try to think about what is best for my child and ask my friends including one who works in child care what is best and am I doing the right thing all the time. I guess I'm scared of doing the wrong thing more than anything else, or something that might not be the best thing for my child, or not doing enough. I'm trying to walk the right path in what feels like very difficult circumstances, doing the best for my child in the short and long term; and also deal with a complex, confusing and painful situation with the mum.
Anglik1   
30 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

f stop

I try to stay calm and non-judgmental, despite having lost my calm with a few posters here tonight much to my personal chagrin. Most of the time I turn the other cheek remembering how much I love my child and how much I loved this woman. Unfortunately I have tried what you suggested without success so I think it may take time, but in the meantime I have to ensure that my child is looked after in every way that I possible can look after them.

I hope that makes sense as it's 4am here and I'm not sure if I make sense anymore.
Anglik1   
30 Mar 2012
Love / Prevention of child abduction by Polish mother. [232]

Hi fstop

Unfortunately it has gone down to the legal route as my ex was threatening to take my child out of the country and never let me see them. So I will hopefully get visitation and be able to pay for my child which is what I want to do. It was just a shame that all communication broke down, and I couldn't not let my child know that I fought for them to have their dad in their life. I already turn up every weekend to see my child either to have the door closed in my face or to just be ignored. My ex sees anything that prevents her doing exactly what she wants as a threat to her, so my visits are just that. I have to put things in place now legally as my solicitor (lawyer) said if I do it when the child is older it could appear that I don't care in the eyes of the courts. I just hope in time things can calm down, but for now I have to make sure I try to do the right thing.