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frustrated   
12 Jul 2011
Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]

I've noticed the abuse reluctant fathers get on here so fully expect short-sighted abuse, however could you please help me or give advice on the following:

I met the Polish girl a few years back in the UK a month before I was due to head overseas to work. The night we met she asked if I'd "like to have some fun anyway" before I left so of course I obliged. I wore condoms, she was on the pill "apparently" and that was fine, we had our fun. However just before I left the UK I got a call to say she was pregnant. My initial reaction was shock of course but then suspicion - was I the only fella etc etc? To me it was a no-brainer; I was leaving the country indefinitely and I didn't want a child brought up in the world without a dad and in another country so I advised an abortion. She ignored my advice and decided to move back to Poland to have the child so I dealt with that and accepted her decision.

Move on 9 months and the child is born, I've moved back to the UK after the contract fell through and I don't feel any connection with the child having not been there for the pregnancy or birth. I meet her mother in the UK shortly after the birth (she didn't bring the child) and assuming the child to be mine I agree to pay £200 a month. Myself and my family visited Poland for the Christening, I signed her Christening paper despite not understanding the language obviously and then go back to London. As far as I know my name is not on the birth cert but her mother asked if I could sort out the paperwork - I declined saying I wouldn't go that far without a DNA test despite being fairly sure the child was mine.

I return almost a year later for the child's first birthday with my parents and my then new girlfriend; the mother and her family totally shunned my girlfriend but she was there to support ME so I explained that if I was to be part of the child's life and upbringing then she would need to know my partner equally. It all started going downhill from there - the mother ignored my emails from that day on (not that she was responsive before), wouldn't send me photos of the child yet would send photos to my sister and parents and generally started looking for more money (nothing else). All the time I was also sending clothes, books, toys, DVDs - the practical things but I was given no choices from day one in where the child lived, the child's name, anything! Friends and family also knitted and sent clothes but we never got photos of the child wearing anything or got any thanks from her mother for all the goodwill.

By the time of the child's second birthday I said "enough is enough" due to the mother's behaviour and cut the monthly flow of money, explaining by email that the child's mother got a job that I wasn't funding what I could see was her as much as the child. Bear in mind that the whole time the mother (an only child herself) and child are living at home with her parents who are reasonably well off and living in a nice house with spacious gardens and a nearly new car. I agreed that I would continue to send essentials, small gifts and books etc donated by my friends and family and save the money I was originally sending for when schooling started. I would also send emergency money if needed for something important such as medical care or whatever, as being blunt, the child was already being clothed by me and my family and wasn't going hungry with her grandparents!

I got no response for over 6 months until today when I received a court letter demanding 1,500 PLN a month and that my name be given to the child as a double-barrelled surname. I cannot afford that much for several reasons that I'm not going into but I also do not believe that the money will be spent directly on the child therefore I am going to contest this to the death.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but I think this woman is being totally unreasonable and acting in her own interests and not that of the child!? I've been having a tough time as it is for the last two years but now have this hanging over me. It's not that I don't want to pay or don't want anything to do with the child, quite the opposite; I just don't want to deal with her despicable mother who wants to go the legal route without prior discussion. I want the child to make her own mind up if she wants me to be part of her life (because let's face it, she doesn't speak the same language and will have a totally different upbringing to me so might never want to know me), if she wants my name and if she wants an Irish passport - I have no problem with any of that! I also provided money in monthly instalments but the actions (or lack of) of her mother screwed that up hence why I decided it was better to plan for the more expensive future schooling years rather than deal with an irresponsible and unreasonable person such as the mother. Furthermore my parents gave almost £1,000 in cash which wasn't mentioned in the court summons, nor were any of the other clothes and gifts mentioned nor the fact I offered to bring both of them to the UK to meet my parents and save on costs!!

Can I stand firm and do things how I wish or can she legally extract money from me in the UK? Do I have a case? I will get a DNA test done as a first step, but assuming the child is mine what is the likely outcome as all hope is lost for reconciliation with her mother.

Sorry for the long-winded post!! Thanks in advance for any positive advice or input; any links to solicitors specialising in cases such as this would also be helpful.
frustrated   
12 Jul 2011
Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]

Thanks for your swift reply. Solicitor details and DNA testing info would be much appreciated as obviously this is all new to me!

My stance will always be that I want to support my daughter, but not have to give a penny to the mother even if I have to buy every single item here in the UK and send it to Poland myself!!! I believe 1,500PLN is a ridiculous amount given that they both live at home and are supported by the grandparents in terms of the basics and have been receiving gifts, educational toys and money from both me and my family...
frustrated   
12 Jul 2011
Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]

I can understand why you did it,but,as a wild guess I bet you had to do a lot of "convincing" before your Mum and your G/F thought that was a "good" idea....

Well it was actually my parents and girlfriend who wanted to come as they couldn't bear me going through that on my own! The first time we went to Poland we heard nothing from the mother for days to organise what would happen when we arrived, where we would meet etc. and ended up having to drive to her house and turn up at the doorstep as she wouldn't answer the phone! That forced my girlfriend into a situation she didn't want to be in and neither did I as we thought we were meeting up at the hotel we were staying in etc. and originally agreed to pick both of them up so they wouldn't have to pay a penny.
frustrated   
13 Jul 2011
Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]

Monia, I am not so sure about dealing with solictors in Poland when I am in the UK as there will be lots of sending paperwork back and forth without me actually sitting down to discuss the matters. I don't have the spare money to fly over and back either so I need to deal with it in the UK - is that possible? I'm still trying to find a Polish family law specialist here to no avail. I work mainly in East London if anyone has a contact please.

Thanks

The best bit of advice you have received here, get a local Lawyer.

Thanks for the sarcasm warszawski - If you read my posts correctly you'd see I said I've assumedmyself to be the father as I was trusting of this woman, but I've been proven wrong and that she fits into the stereotypical role...

I based the figure on what I could afford, what I thought was right and enough to bring up a child being reared at home with a free roof over her head also coupled with the fact I've sent clothes, toys, books, DVDs, shoes never mind the money and clothes my friends and family have sent!!! Why should I fund for this woman to sit at home on her ass, living off the UK state (albeit a small monthly payment), the Polish state and me???? I am responsible for half of the child's upbringing, not 100% of the mother and child! Someone made the suggestion that I get receipts for everything spent on the child and I have no problem paying that, but I will not be held to ransom.

I NEVER said I didn't think the child wasn't mine but that I needed the DNA test to be 100% sure; my family wanted to support me and made the choice to be at the christening - things were happening so fast that it was a case that we couldn't miss the christening if indeed the child was mine.

Why shouldn't the child also have Irish nationality? Just because Poland is in the EU doesn't mean it's not beneficial to have dual citizenship.

I'm not stuck between my fiancee and the mother as I am committed only to my fiancee and the child - I couldn't care less if I never saw or spoke to the mother again to be honest.

Take your sarcastic and cynical comments elsewhere please...
frustrated   
13 Jul 2011
Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]

Frustrated, the only stereotypical role she fits into today, is that of the " mother" of your child. A mother will always do what is best for child and herself. You don't have to be an Einstein to understand this picture.

You are not getting my point at all. She's stereotypical in that she's not discussed any of this with me prior to sending the court summons, has accepted money and gifts for two years with no thanks, refused to bring the child to the UK to visit at my cost, is sitting at home doing sweet f.a. and is unwilling in general to discuss the child's future needs. She is doing what's best for herself, not the child as taking the action she has will probably render any relationship the child could have with her father as null and void. She's refusing to teach her English and has no intention of me being involved yet is happy to take all she can from me and my family.

I'm not being irresponsible and avoiding the financial responsibility as you would see, again, if you read my posts correctly. I am trying to do the right thing and look after the child's needs, not the mothers.
frustrated   
13 Jul 2011
Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]

You must have a Polish lawyer, otherwise you will have problems .

Okay I get the picture ;( It's not going to be easy either way, but how I feel right now about the situation I've been put in is that I wish I'd never met that woman or that I'd never have to go to Poland again. I have no chance with this child being in another country and will more than likely play no part in the upbringing.

I'd rather skip the country or move on so she can't trace me than pay her a penny directly or pay the money into a trust fund or pay directly for receipted purchases...
frustrated   
13 Jul 2011
Law / Maintenance & Rights: Polish mother & child in Poland, Irish father in the UK [57]

You say it was a one night stand (at least that's what you intimate in your initial post) and that you wore protection.....well hello....the odds of her getting pregnant first time are quite low and if you wore protection then the odds are even lower.

It was over the course of a few weeks and I believed that I was the only person seeing her and had no reason to dis-trust her at the time. The girl does look a bit like me but yes you need 100% proof for which I am making enquiries now - it is difficult being in two different countries and obviously her mother has to carry out her duty and do it properly at her end.

I take on board your other comments. I now have a list of lawyer names from Poland (but can't find any in the exact city/region that I need) and a couple of contacts here in the UK for initial advice but any more details greatly appreciated. So as you can see, I'm not shirking responsibilities but want to know ALL the implications; I never wanted to be in a legal situation as I believe it will harm the child and was doing the right thing in terms of providing money and clothes, but it seems that is not enough for this greedy lay-about.