Pharosmaster
27 Jul 2010
History / Give back Lwow to Poland and Kaliningrad to Germany - is it possible? [198]
Thank you irishlodz I was thinking exactly what you said whilst I was reading this thread. Many comparisons can be made between pre-war Lwow/Lviv and Breslau/Wroclaw for example, but the ethnic situations were quite different.The Curzon Line (Polands current eastern border) corresponds quite well to the Ethnic situation at the time, apart from the area around Hrodna (Grodno)- Vilnius (Wilna).
Lwow was indeed a Polish/Jewish island. Koenigsberg (Kaliningrad) and Breslau (Wroclaw) on the other hand were German cities surrounded by ethnic German territory. And by German I mean the language and culture.
So if you disregard the fact that these territorial changes are very unlikely in the first place, it seems more likely that Russia will abandon the historically not Russian (nor Polish, as a matter of fact, Northern East Prussia was never settled by Poles and user: Crow's comment on p2 is wrong- East Prussia was settled by the 'Old Prussians' before the Germans, a baltic people like the Lithuanians so not slavic) Kaliningrad Oblast and return it to Germany rather than Ukraine ceding Lviv, which had a significant Ukranian population around it even before WWII.
Thank you irishlodz I was thinking exactly what you said whilst I was reading this thread. Many comparisons can be made between pre-war Lwow/Lviv and Breslau/Wroclaw for example, but the ethnic situations were quite different.The Curzon Line (Polands current eastern border) corresponds quite well to the Ethnic situation at the time, apart from the area around Hrodna (Grodno)- Vilnius (Wilna).
Lwow was indeed a Polish/Jewish island. Koenigsberg (Kaliningrad) and Breslau (Wroclaw) on the other hand were German cities surrounded by ethnic German territory. And by German I mean the language and culture.
So if you disregard the fact that these territorial changes are very unlikely in the first place, it seems more likely that Russia will abandon the historically not Russian (nor Polish, as a matter of fact, Northern East Prussia was never settled by Poles and user: Crow's comment on p2 is wrong- East Prussia was settled by the 'Old Prussians' before the Germans, a baltic people like the Lithuanians so not slavic) Kaliningrad Oblast and return it to Germany rather than Ukraine ceding Lviv, which had a significant Ukranian population around it even before WWII.