A J
21 May 2010
Food / What's your favorite Polish beer? [870]
It's still Tyskie for me. (They sell it in the Dutch supermarkets aswell now!)
:)
It's still Tyskie for me. (They sell it in the Dutch supermarkets aswell now!)
:)
A J
21 May 2010
A J
21 May 2010
A J
22 May 2010
USA, Canada / Why do Americans (and Canadians) hate Polish people? [226]
Maybe those people aren't always sick and jealous, but just angry because a lot of people exploit them, abuse them, and keep them small deliberately.
Maybe most of the people who boast of their own accomplishments aren't always honest either. Maybe most of those people are allergic to sharing. Maybe most of those people think they are entitled to everything, simply because they are in a priviledged position. Maybe those people earn millions a year, but still claim they can't honestly pay all their hard working employees a bit more, so their employees can actually afford a decent education.
Maybe it's easier to study when you're young, when you have wealthy parents, and when you don't have many responsibilities, than to study when you're always working, paying the rents and having to feed your family. So maybe your accomplishments don't mean as much to others as you may think. Maybe it's not jealousy, but maybe it's anger over all the injustice. Maybe you don't know what it's like in Poland. Maybe you should try to walk a mile in their shoes, having no resources or contacts who will help you whatsoever. Maybe you should work in those factories for a few weeks, just to see what it's like. Maybe you'll learn something from such an experience.
Maybe.
;)
Maybe those people aren't always sick and jealous, but just angry because a lot of people exploit them, abuse them, and keep them small deliberately.
Maybe most of the people who boast of their own accomplishments aren't always honest either. Maybe most of those people are allergic to sharing. Maybe most of those people think they are entitled to everything, simply because they are in a priviledged position. Maybe those people earn millions a year, but still claim they can't honestly pay all their hard working employees a bit more, so their employees can actually afford a decent education.
Maybe it's easier to study when you're young, when you have wealthy parents, and when you don't have many responsibilities, than to study when you're always working, paying the rents and having to feed your family. So maybe your accomplishments don't mean as much to others as you may think. Maybe it's not jealousy, but maybe it's anger over all the injustice. Maybe you don't know what it's like in Poland. Maybe you should try to walk a mile in their shoes, having no resources or contacts who will help you whatsoever. Maybe you should work in those factories for a few weeks, just to see what it's like. Maybe you'll learn something from such an experience.
Maybe.
;)
A J
22 May 2010
USA, Canada / Why do Americans (and Canadians) hate Polish people? [226]
Polengggs: The fact you're asking me speaks volumes already. Why don't you ask around? It's very easy to find a shady or unscrupulous employer these days! Why don't you go ahead and try working with immigrants for a few weeks? See how you like being treated like garbage. Why not? You can walk away every second of the day, because you can get out of that situation any second! They don't have any of those options, and they don't have any of your opportunities, so they can't! So why don't you? Maybe you'll actually understand what it feels like to be a slave. Maybe you'll see that these people are just like you.
;)
Polengggs: The fact you're asking me speaks volumes already. Why don't you ask around? It's very easy to find a shady or unscrupulous employer these days! Why don't you go ahead and try working with immigrants for a few weeks? See how you like being treated like garbage. Why not? You can walk away every second of the day, because you can get out of that situation any second! They don't have any of those options, and they don't have any of your opportunities, so they can't! So why don't you? Maybe you'll actually understand what it feels like to be a slave. Maybe you'll see that these people are just like you.
;)
A J
24 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
Well, I've never done any of those courses, but to me it's actually so simple and logical I think any four year old should be able to comprehend natural behaviour. Do children hate eachother when they grow up together? No they don't! Sadly some adults make them hate eachother.
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Sure, just like Jarnowa heard that the Polish in Holland are completely innocent, because according to him the most crimes were committed by black people. (He figured all of this out after translating one homepage.)
Well, I am from Holland, and the truth is that the Polish are committing the most crimes here. (Sad but true.) When I post a news articles about it, they get deleted. Apparantly you're only allowed to talk about coloured people, immigrants and foreigners here, as long as they aren't Polish or white. So what's the matter? Can't face reality? I didn't hear this from hundreds of people. I've seen, heard and read this on the news, I see it happening around me almost daily, I hear about burglary, theft and robbery everyday, have been a victim of robbery by a few Polish guys for a few times already, and all the figures from our national bureau of statics don't lie either.
In some countries, coloured people have problems. Yes. But there are also people who create these problems for them. So grow some balls and acknowledge that. Then you're being honest, and maybe then we can talk.
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Its a philosophy course that is taught in the first yr of All Studies in the university. Maybe you dont have that in your schools
Well, I've never done any of those courses, but to me it's actually so simple and logical I think any four year old should be able to comprehend natural behaviour. Do children hate eachother when they grow up together? No they don't! Sadly some adults make them hate eachother.
:|
I have heard this from hundreds of British and Indians living in UK
Sure, just like Jarnowa heard that the Polish in Holland are completely innocent, because according to him the most crimes were committed by black people. (He figured all of this out after translating one homepage.)
Well, I am from Holland, and the truth is that the Polish are committing the most crimes here. (Sad but true.) When I post a news articles about it, they get deleted. Apparantly you're only allowed to talk about coloured people, immigrants and foreigners here, as long as they aren't Polish or white. So what's the matter? Can't face reality? I didn't hear this from hundreds of people. I've seen, heard and read this on the news, I see it happening around me almost daily, I hear about burglary, theft and robbery everyday, have been a victim of robbery by a few Polish guys for a few times already, and all the figures from our national bureau of statics don't lie either.
In some countries, coloured people have problems. Yes. But there are also people who create these problems for them. So grow some balls and acknowledge that. Then you're being honest, and maybe then we can talk.
:)
A J
24 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
It's refreshing to actually see someone who does understand the core of the problem. Partially, because there are actually employers and lawyers aswell as politicians who actually oppose these people.
It's not sustainable, because they forgot about middle class. Most immigrants don't spend as much, and with the labour getting cheaper, they couldn't even spend more if they wanted to! So ofcourse I don't think I have to explain to you that they're collapsing on their own foundation. They were smart enough to notice this themselves, and that gives me hope for the future. (Because they're already starting to sing a different tune.)
I can see only one solution: People should vote for a party who supports their own working class, which usually are the Socialists or the more social parties, and in some cases centre-right conservative parties. I hope people aren't going to confuse the Socialists with Communists again, or even Nazi's. Modern-day Socialism has nothing to do with National-Socialism, or even Communism.
True.
Indeed, I'm not a racist. Look at how you started your story. Is this the fault of the immigrants? Or is it the fault of the people who are currently in charge? Why should I be mad at someone else who sees an opportunity for a better life? I'd rather be mad at the one who's truly behind it. I'll give you that much, you've noticed who the real culprits are behind it all, which is a good start. I mean, it's pretty lame and uneducated to blame a foreign worker for all the things our politicians have decided in Brussels.
Don't be too naive though, because societies will never truly be peaceful. There will always be some lunatics and criminals. I'm sure you know that already, and our history has proven this time after time.
I agree. Fair trade and aid programs will eventually create strong and civilized business-partners out of continents which are now everyone's problem.
Yes, but there's still no reason to hate on someone else if he or she falls for someone who happens to have a different ethnicity, or nationality. Love between two people shouldn't be societies' business, nor should it be any business of a government either. No one should tell people who to marry. (And no one should make it impossible for people to marry either, as we're experiencing now.) The truth is somewhere in the middle, and so are all of the solutions.
Not left, not right, but in the middle.
:)
Mass immigration is shock and awe class warfare against the economically immobile working people of any particular nation state. It's a tell-tale sign of ultimate corruption within the ranks of the ruling elite. It's goals are simple, lower wages / cheaper labor... The lies it hides behind are "jobs the natives don't want, and or jobs the natives are too lazy to do"...
It's refreshing to actually see someone who does understand the core of the problem. Partially, because there are actually employers and lawyers aswell as politicians who actually oppose these people.
Mass immigration is as sustainable as a swarm of locusts through a corn field. Sadly the only thing protecting Poland from this plague of US/EU style greed, is the simple fact that it isn't economically ripe enough for the harvest, not yet.
It's not sustainable, because they forgot about middle class. Most immigrants don't spend as much, and with the labour getting cheaper, they couldn't even spend more if they wanted to! So ofcourse I don't think I have to explain to you that they're collapsing on their own foundation. They were smart enough to notice this themselves, and that gives me hope for the future. (Because they're already starting to sing a different tune.)
What a sad predicament to be in, knowing that as soon as ripe bulging fruit begins to hang from Poland's vine, the elite of the nation will then open the flood gates of cheap third world labor, and suddenly this country will be awash in the Utopian Bliss that we're now seeing in Malmo, Paris, Birmingham, Oslo, Rotterdam, parts of London, Arizona, California... the list goes on and on...
I can see only one solution: People should vote for a party who supports their own working class, which usually are the Socialists or the more social parties, and in some cases centre-right conservative parties. I hope people aren't going to confuse the Socialists with Communists again, or even Nazi's. Modern-day Socialism has nothing to do with National-Socialism, or even Communism.
Don't forget to repeat their mantra... "borders are an archaic construct, sustainable economics = a nation full of lazy people, and there is no such thing as finite resources."
True.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot the most important part of the tune... "I'm not a racist... I'm not a racist... I'm not a racist... I'm not a racist..."
Indeed, I'm not a racist. Look at how you started your story. Is this the fault of the immigrants? Or is it the fault of the people who are currently in charge? Why should I be mad at someone else who sees an opportunity for a better life? I'd rather be mad at the one who's truly behind it. I'll give you that much, you've noticed who the real culprits are behind it all, which is a good start. I mean, it's pretty lame and uneducated to blame a foreign worker for all the things our politicians have decided in Brussels.
If you repeat this mantra enough times, soon you'll no longer feel entitled to live in an economically sustainable, peaceful, culturally continuous society. Don't forget to hate yourself for all of those modern privileges either, like living wages, low crime rates, and affordable housing...
Don't be too naive though, because societies will never truly be peaceful. There will always be some lunatics and criminals. I'm sure you know that already, and our history has proven this time after time.
Joking aside... If you can't quiet that bleeding heart that's pounding somewhere within your mind, then put it to a use that isn't a fool's errand. Vote in politicians that play fair at home, and that play fair aboard. Support trade between nations that is fair, and sustainable for everyone. Support sustainable demographic growth rates around the world, particularly in the Third World.
I agree. Fair trade and aid programs will eventually create strong and civilized business-partners out of continents which are now everyone's problem.
Struggles aside, Poland is a great country. Poles owe the world nothing, and you have just as much of a right to preserve your ethnic heritage, as anyone else... If Africans or Muslims are entitled to their own ethnic heritage, then so is everyone else. Don't fall for the lies...
Yes, but there's still no reason to hate on someone else if he or she falls for someone who happens to have a different ethnicity, or nationality. Love between two people shouldn't be societies' business, nor should it be any business of a government either. No one should tell people who to marry. (And no one should make it impossible for people to marry either, as we're experiencing now.) The truth is somewhere in the middle, and so are all of the solutions.
Not left, not right, but in the middle.
:)
A J
24 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
No, he's not. I know his background very well, and I can tell you we've both been very anti-PC in our youths. We're part of the generation which got dumped right now, because we questioned everything. Our generation was too annoying for the establishment, and something tells me that we still are, judging from all the lame comments I'm reading here.
You don't want to tell people the truth either, because you simply place the blame somewhere, which makes you only partially right, but you completely fail to see what's behind it all. Learn to see the bigger picture? Immigrants are being exploited aswell. Just like Polish people are being exploited in Holland very often! Atleast I'm honest about that, being a Dutch person, and I wholeheartedly disagree with the exploiting of hard-working people, regardless of where they're coming from. It's not skin-colour which causes criminality. That's something Hitler would say, and we all know how he felt about Polish people, don't we? Poverty causes crime. If you can't see that, you're blind, because I can give you dozens of news articles about Polish criminals in Holland.
Before you say anything again. I'm not posting those articles to show you how bad Polish people are. I'm posting those things to show you that POVERTY causes crime. Now it's your turn to be honest and acknowledge the simple truth. Open your eyes dude! It's not as simple as you're putting it here.
You have the right to be negative about us. But you don't have to right to slander and spread lies and falsehoods, or manipulated facts. It's also a sign of intellectual incapability when you're selective with the articles you present. There are always two sides to every story. Always. You fail to see the other side of the story. You blame it on skin-colour, and that's basically the same as what Hitler did. Time for you to acknowledge something, because not only is that being negative about a group of people in society, that's completely racist. Or do you really want me to quote a dictionary to explain the meaning of the word racist to you?
No he's not. He's simply pointing out the fact that you and your buddies are trying to intimidate and silence reasonable people with your hateful rubbish, childish insults and racist comments.
Freedom doesn't mean someone else's freedom should end where your freedom starts. If you see problems, you are free to discuss them. If you see problems within a certain group of society, then you are free to discuss them. The whole point is, that there are laws in Europe concerning racism and spreading falsehoods. I have to play by the rules, so that's why I expect you to do the same. Skin-colour does not cause criminality. Problems do. You're free to discuss those problems. So why don't you keep your racial hatred out of it and be objective? Maybe you'll actually learn something. I'm a very patient person, as you may already have noticed, and unlike you've showed us so far, I can admit to things I've done wrong, or things my nation has done wrong. Can you? Can you atleast tell us where you're really from? For the sake of honesty?
:)
you are an excellent example of a political correct person who denies being one.
No, he's not. I know his background very well, and I can tell you we've both been very anti-PC in our youths. We're part of the generation which got dumped right now, because we questioned everything. Our generation was too annoying for the establishment, and something tells me that we still are, judging from all the lame comments I'm reading here.
you don't want people to tell the truth.
You don't want to tell people the truth either, because you simply place the blame somewhere, which makes you only partially right, but you completely fail to see what's behind it all. Learn to see the bigger picture? Immigrants are being exploited aswell. Just like Polish people are being exploited in Holland very often! Atleast I'm honest about that, being a Dutch person, and I wholeheartedly disagree with the exploiting of hard-working people, regardless of where they're coming from. It's not skin-colour which causes criminality. That's something Hitler would say, and we all know how he felt about Polish people, don't we? Poverty causes crime. If you can't see that, you're blind, because I can give you dozens of news articles about Polish criminals in Holland.
Before you say anything again. I'm not posting those articles to show you how bad Polish people are. I'm posting those things to show you that POVERTY causes crime. Now it's your turn to be honest and acknowledge the simple truth. Open your eyes dude! It's not as simple as you're putting it here.
you don't acknowledge the freedom of expression, which means that people have the right to be positive or negative about any group in society, whether white, black, jewish, native, immigrant, people listening to rock music, people listening to rap, etc.
You have the right to be negative about us. But you don't have to right to slander and spread lies and falsehoods, or manipulated facts. It's also a sign of intellectual incapability when you're selective with the articles you present. There are always two sides to every story. Always. You fail to see the other side of the story. You blame it on skin-colour, and that's basically the same as what Hitler did. Time for you to acknowledge something, because not only is that being negative about a group of people in society, that's completely racist. Or do you really want me to quote a dictionary to explain the meaning of the word racist to you?
you actively advocate censorship on this forum and you try to silence people just because you don't like their opinion about some groups.
No he's not. He's simply pointing out the fact that you and your buddies are trying to intimidate and silence reasonable people with your hateful rubbish, childish insults and racist comments.
you basically don't deserve to live in a free country, because you only respect your own freedom.
Freedom doesn't mean someone else's freedom should end where your freedom starts. If you see problems, you are free to discuss them. If you see problems within a certain group of society, then you are free to discuss them. The whole point is, that there are laws in Europe concerning racism and spreading falsehoods. I have to play by the rules, so that's why I expect you to do the same. Skin-colour does not cause criminality. Problems do. You're free to discuss those problems. So why don't you keep your racial hatred out of it and be objective? Maybe you'll actually learn something. I'm a very patient person, as you may already have noticed, and unlike you've showed us so far, I can admit to things I've done wrong, or things my nation has done wrong. Can you? Can you atleast tell us where you're really from? For the sake of honesty?
:)
A J
24 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
As you may already know It's 2010, the borders have been open for quite some time now, and we have different statistics now. Most crimes here are currently committed by Eastern Europeans. I can show you statistic from the CBS in a spreadsheet, but I'm not going to be able to translate it, so this won't prove much. But why I say that most crimes are committed by Polish males, is because they are, by far, the largest group of immigrants and temporary workers in Holland.
2% of all the Polish immigrants and temporary workers means we're talking about more people than there are Moroccans or Antillians in Holland. There are more Polish people in Holland than there are Antillians. Relatively speaking, Moroccans commit the most crimes, but since they're a smaller group most actual crimes are committed by Polish people. And I shall tell you something else aswell. In my region alone, I know of atleast 15 Polish guys who got murdered. They were murdered by Polish guys. They weren't murdered by black people. That's reality for you.
I'm not lying. Sorry.
Sad and true thing is that you are a liar.
Dutch police arrest ever more Polish suspects. From 2006 to 2007 there was an increase of 24% in the number of suspects, 2% of the Polish population in the Netherlands. This is higher than the percentage among the ethnic Dutch population (1%),
As you may already know It's 2010, the borders have been open for quite some time now, and we have different statistics now. Most crimes here are currently committed by Eastern Europeans. I can show you statistic from the CBS in a spreadsheet, but I'm not going to be able to translate it, so this won't prove much. But why I say that most crimes are committed by Polish males, is because they are, by far, the largest group of immigrants and temporary workers in Holland.
2% of all the Polish immigrants and temporary workers means we're talking about more people than there are Moroccans or Antillians in Holland. There are more Polish people in Holland than there are Antillians. Relatively speaking, Moroccans commit the most crimes, but since they're a smaller group most actual crimes are committed by Polish people. And I shall tell you something else aswell. In my region alone, I know of atleast 15 Polish guys who got murdered. They were murdered by Polish guys. They weren't murdered by black people. That's reality for you.
I'm not lying. Sorry.
A J
24 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
Those people are very strong-willed and have a strong sense of decency, and perhaps it also has to do something with pride. (Or fear.) But there are also people who see corrupt liars and thieves up in the office, people who really have nothing, and such people might think it's justifiable to steal, rob or take something away from the people they see as the biggest criminals. (Which infact, they are.)
I'm not exactly rich either, but I'm not going to rob someone, or steal anything. I know I'm better than that. I've been humiliated to the core though, simply because some people have this strange idea in their minds that it must be you who's too lazy to become wealthy. They expect you to fix everything they've basically recieved on a golden platter, (Which is my opinion of kids with wealthy parents.) but they fail to see they've made everything so expensive that it's incredibly hard to find your way out of such a situation. Some people don't respond well to this kind of public humiliation, which happens from time to time, especially when you've done something stupid. Some people break under this kind of social pressure. (I call it social repression though!) It's not a nice thing to experience, especially not when you know you've always worked hard for your money. I don't need your pity or compassion though, so that's not why I'm telling you. I'm already taking steps to get myself out of this situation, and I'm confident I will make it. Some people aren't confident though, and may have a very low opinion of themselves, or lack the capacity or the opportunities. Anger can be a ***** sometimes. (You'd be angry aswell if you know what it's like, trust me.)
But let me rephrase the question: Have you ever seen Tiger Woods rob someone? Does Obama have a criminal record? Aren't black people fighting alongside white people in the American army? Aren't they fighting to secure your financial interests? It obviously doesn't have anything to do with skin-colour!
Let me rephrase the question again: Have you ever seen a wealthy person break into someone's house for a few Dollars? Have you ever seen a wealthy person rob someone for a few Dollars? I'm willing to bet that you haven't, unless you've seen a cleptomaniac who's addicted to stealing.
;)
Poverty causes problems, problems cause crime. There are thousands of Psychologists, Economists and Sociologists who have studied this subject worldwide, and the results don't lie. It's a proven fact of life, but ofcourse these guys here have a better, and more plausible explanation. (They're starting to sound like a bunch of mini-Hitlers if you ask me!)
xD
How does that explain the fact that many poor people do not commit crime?
Those people are very strong-willed and have a strong sense of decency, and perhaps it also has to do something with pride. (Or fear.) But there are also people who see corrupt liars and thieves up in the office, people who really have nothing, and such people might think it's justifiable to steal, rob or take something away from the people they see as the biggest criminals. (Which infact, they are.)
I'm not exactly rich either, but I'm not going to rob someone, or steal anything. I know I'm better than that. I've been humiliated to the core though, simply because some people have this strange idea in their minds that it must be you who's too lazy to become wealthy. They expect you to fix everything they've basically recieved on a golden platter, (Which is my opinion of kids with wealthy parents.) but they fail to see they've made everything so expensive that it's incredibly hard to find your way out of such a situation. Some people don't respond well to this kind of public humiliation, which happens from time to time, especially when you've done something stupid. Some people break under this kind of social pressure. (I call it social repression though!) It's not a nice thing to experience, especially not when you know you've always worked hard for your money. I don't need your pity or compassion though, so that's not why I'm telling you. I'm already taking steps to get myself out of this situation, and I'm confident I will make it. Some people aren't confident though, and may have a very low opinion of themselves, or lack the capacity or the opportunities. Anger can be a ***** sometimes. (You'd be angry aswell if you know what it's like, trust me.)
But let me rephrase the question: Have you ever seen Tiger Woods rob someone? Does Obama have a criminal record? Aren't black people fighting alongside white people in the American army? Aren't they fighting to secure your financial interests? It obviously doesn't have anything to do with skin-colour!
Let me rephrase the question again: Have you ever seen a wealthy person break into someone's house for a few Dollars? Have you ever seen a wealthy person rob someone for a few Dollars? I'm willing to bet that you haven't, unless you've seen a cleptomaniac who's addicted to stealing.
;)
Agreed, however, it is a proven fact that crime rates are higher in poor areas and when a poor person steals or kills anyone, it's a criminal.
Poverty causes problems, problems cause crime. There are thousands of Psychologists, Economists and Sociologists who have studied this subject worldwide, and the results don't lie. It's a proven fact of life, but ofcourse these guys here have a better, and more plausible explanation. (They're starting to sound like a bunch of mini-Hitlers if you ask me!)
xD
A J
24 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
You're desperatly trying the manipulate the facts again. These people are on the list of wanted criminals. These people are being searched for by the police department. This list says absolutely nothing about criminals who have been caught, because caught criminals aren't searched for. So what you really have there, is a list of fugitive suspects. Is this your proof that I'm lying? After the information one of your buddies posted here about 2006 and 2007? It was 2% of the Polish people back then, but I can garauntee you these figures are much higher now.
I'll post it after you've made some ridiculous accusations again. I didn't get to it yesterday, because someone else caught my attention. But I will, don't worry. I'm still waiting for you to answer some of my questions though, and perhaps this is why I don't feel like wasting too much time on you, because you're still displaying an inability to acknowledge a number of hard facts. You're also evading questions about your true nationality, and since I have told you my nationality, it's only decent to answer such questions. (Because it will prove my point that you're not the Poland expert you claim to be. Or even the Polish patriot you claim to be.)
;)
Here's the evidence that you are lying:
You're desperatly trying the manipulate the facts again. These people are on the list of wanted criminals. These people are being searched for by the police department. This list says absolutely nothing about criminals who have been caught, because caught criminals aren't searched for. So what you really have there, is a list of fugitive suspects. Is this your proof that I'm lying? After the information one of your buddies posted here about 2006 and 2007? It was 2% of the Polish people back then, but I can garauntee you these figures are much higher now.
I'll post it after you've made some ridiculous accusations again. I didn't get to it yesterday, because someone else caught my attention. But I will, don't worry. I'm still waiting for you to answer some of my questions though, and perhaps this is why I don't feel like wasting too much time on you, because you're still displaying an inability to acknowledge a number of hard facts. You're also evading questions about your true nationality, and since I have told you my nationality, it's only decent to answer such questions. (Because it will prove my point that you're not the Poland expert you claim to be. Or even the Polish patriot you claim to be.)
;)
A J
24 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
You can find that explanation in the Forum link whatever-his-name-was provided. We can't send them back after they came out of jail, because they're EU citizens, which gives them the right to stay here. (And commit more crimes.)
Can you read Dutch? Or do you always rely on external sources? I will post statistics from the CBS, which is the only reliable source here. It's the only official source when it comes to statistics from our government. Nice try though. Oh, and another question, which period of time are you talking about to be exact? I'm talking about today. Not about last year, or the years before.
Some Polish people? We're actually talking about tens of thousands of people. I'm not trying to prove crime rates have risen due to Polish people. I'm just simply stating a fact when I say the most crimes are committed by Polish people. And if we're going to speak relatively, then they commit twice as much crimes as Dutch people. (Procentual.) Again, hard facts, which you can also read in the Forum report that your buddy provided us with. In the chapter about crime I believe. Do you even think before you post your links? Or are you just getting a bit too excited because Polish people are responsible for a most of the crimes which are being committed here?
I can prove you're wrong, and I will. Infact, your buddy has already proved you wrong by posting that Forum report himself. Trolling? I'm serious. You can gang up on two Dutch people with all your friends in some desperate attempt to save your face by spamming us with questions, through sheer numbers, but that approach will not change the simple facts here.
You still haven't answered much of our questions. All I've seen so far from you guys has been denial and the manipulation of facts. So I suggest you follow your own advice, and stop trolling. Or you can start being honest, and acknowledge simple facts here, instead of trying to divert the conversation with procentual talk. Fact is there are more Polish immigrants in Holland than there are Moroccans. So as a group, in total, they commit more crimes than Moroccans. What's so hard to understand about that?
Why dont u send them back to Poland then?
You can find that explanation in the Forum link whatever-his-name-was provided. We can't send them back after they came out of jail, because they're EU citizens, which gives them the right to stay here. (And commit more crimes.)
The results I sited are taken from National Safety Monitor, a joint publication by Statistics for Netherlands, the Ministry of the Interior and Kingdom Relations and the Ministry of Justice.
Can you read Dutch? Or do you always rely on external sources? I will post statistics from the CBS, which is the only reliable source here. It's the only official source when it comes to statistics from our government. Nice try though. Oh, and another question, which period of time are you talking about to be exact? I'm talking about today. Not about last year, or the years before.
You can look it up yourself. No one denies the fact that some Poles did commit crime while in Netherlands, however you are trying to prove it’s due to the influx of Poles in your country and lying as to what the statistics are, purely on some demented logic of yours stemming from sudden fascination of crime statistics without bothering to check out the facts or compare the data to relevant years.
Some Polish people? We're actually talking about tens of thousands of people. I'm not trying to prove crime rates have risen due to Polish people. I'm just simply stating a fact when I say the most crimes are committed by Polish people. And if we're going to speak relatively, then they commit twice as much crimes as Dutch people. (Procentual.) Again, hard facts, which you can also read in the Forum report that your buddy provided us with. In the chapter about crime I believe. Do you even think before you post your links? Or are you just getting a bit too excited because Polish people are responsible for a most of the crimes which are being committed here?
The overall crime in Netherlands was much higher prior to Poles migrating there period, now stop trolling.
I can prove you're wrong, and I will. Infact, your buddy has already proved you wrong by posting that Forum report himself. Trolling? I'm serious. You can gang up on two Dutch people with all your friends in some desperate attempt to save your face by spamming us with questions, through sheer numbers, but that approach will not change the simple facts here.
You still haven't answered much of our questions. All I've seen so far from you guys has been denial and the manipulation of facts. So I suggest you follow your own advice, and stop trolling. Or you can start being honest, and acknowledge simple facts here, instead of trying to divert the conversation with procentual talk. Fact is there are more Polish immigrants in Holland than there are Moroccans. So as a group, in total, they commit more crimes than Moroccans. What's so hard to understand about that?
A J
24 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
You know for sure? How? Do you still live here?
Well, like it or not, but you're spreading falsehoods and manipulate the facts when you use a list of fugitive suspects and somehow manage to claim that these are all the criminals who have committed crimes in Holland, while in reality, it's just one list of current fugitive suspects. It says absolutely nothing about the whole picture. You made it seem like the evidence that coloured people committed more crimes. I can show you other lists from earlier months aswell, and you wouldn't see any coloured people on those lists. Go ahead, you know where to find that site, so you can dig up the previous lists aswell. Sometimes there are more coloured people than white people on those lists, and sometimes there aren't. So that's why I'm saying it's false to claim coloured people commit more crimes when you're using such lists. Okay?
Take a good look at The Racist Thread I've created again, and then tell me how your comments are not racist. Even ZIMMY pointed out such comments are racist, do I need to say more?
I'm not accusing you. I'm pointing out that a lot of your comments are racist. (Which is a fact.)
I just did. (Again.)
For your information: A lot of Dutch people consider Polish people third-world immigrants aswell. (I'm not one of those.) Something else you should know: I value European culture above all other cultures. I will always defend our freedom, and I will always defend our way of life. I will always put my own people first. Unfortunately, many of our people are not putting their own people first. I'm merely trying to convince people it's better to find a civilized solution somewhere in the middle, instead of trying to place the blame on one group of people. I'm objective from person to person. (Well, sometimes I lose a bit of my objectivity, but that's why I'm human!)
I've said this earlier, and I will say it again: This subject has been studied worldwide. This is not my opinion. This is a fact of life. So are the Polish people a worse kind of people than Dutch people because they commit more crimes than Dutch people? (That's what you're basically saying.) I'm saying it's because of poverty. I've seen Polish people who were sleeping in stables, and I'm ashamed it happens in my country! I'm not using these figures to give Polish people a bad name, and I'm not trying to tell you Moroccans are doing so great in my country, because they really aren't! I'm simply looking at all these facts to come to a simple conclusion. An objective conclusion. Why? Because I hope to solve problems, instead of creating more problems.
Well, if you guys can give me a break for a second, then I might actually be able to take a good look into this, because the CBS has a really huge database. Every statistic about every little thing about Holland can be found here. (From how many toothbrushes have been sold to whom and whom commited which crime and when.) It's not something you dig up in a few minutes!
:)
Maybe Polish people do get exploited in Netherlands, but from the 6-7 years i've lived there i know for sure that no black or moroccan is exploited, yet they top the crime lists. So far for your excuse to commit crime.
You know for sure? How? Do you still live here?
Give me some examples of lies, falsehoods and manipulated facts or keep your mouth shut.
Well, like it or not, but you're spreading falsehoods and manipulate the facts when you use a list of fugitive suspects and somehow manage to claim that these are all the criminals who have committed crimes in Holland, while in reality, it's just one list of current fugitive suspects. It says absolutely nothing about the whole picture. You made it seem like the evidence that coloured people committed more crimes. I can show you other lists from earlier months aswell, and you wouldn't see any coloured people on those lists. Go ahead, you know where to find that site, so you can dig up the previous lists aswell. Sometimes there are more coloured people than white people on those lists, and sometimes there aren't. So that's why I'm saying it's false to claim coloured people commit more crimes when you're using such lists. Okay?
Nobody here has written that all people from a certain skin colour are bad, so what point are you trying to make?
Take a good look at The Racist Thread I've created again, and then tell me how your comments are not racist. Even ZIMMY pointed out such comments are racist, do I need to say more?
Just like MareGaea you first accuse people like me and DariuszTelka (if you read this: you are really excellent in writing what many of us are thinking but can't express because our English writing skills aren't as good as yours! keep on going!) of racism and then you come up with some ridiculous assumptions about us to back it up.
I'm not accusing you. I'm pointing out that a lot of your comments are racist. (Which is a fact.)
Again back up your insults or stop your lying!
I just did. (Again.)
Who do i try to silence? Who do i intimidate? Your mouth is getting bigger and bigger, just like many 3rd world immigrants in your country. At least you do a good job adapting to them, but as a typical leftie, i don't think you will have problems adapting to immigrants.
For your information: A lot of Dutch people consider Polish people third-world immigrants aswell. (I'm not one of those.) Something else you should know: I value European culture above all other cultures. I will always defend our freedom, and I will always defend our way of life. I will always put my own people first. Unfortunately, many of our people are not putting their own people first. I'm merely trying to convince people it's better to find a civilized solution somewhere in the middle, instead of trying to place the blame on one group of people. I'm objective from person to person. (Well, sometimes I lose a bit of my objectivity, but that's why I'm human!)
Poverty doesn't cause crime. Bad people cause crime. Like someone else pointed out, there are many poor people who don't rob or hurt other people.
I've said this earlier, and I will say it again: This subject has been studied worldwide. This is not my opinion. This is a fact of life. So are the Polish people a worse kind of people than Dutch people because they commit more crimes than Dutch people? (That's what you're basically saying.) I'm saying it's because of poverty. I've seen Polish people who were sleeping in stables, and I'm ashamed it happens in my country! I'm not using these figures to give Polish people a bad name, and I'm not trying to tell you Moroccans are doing so great in my country, because they really aren't! I'm simply looking at all these facts to come to a simple conclusion. An objective conclusion. Why? Because I hope to solve problems, instead of creating more problems.
So where are your articles? I haven't seen any.
Well, if you guys can give me a break for a second, then I might actually be able to take a good look into this, because the CBS has a really huge database. Every statistic about every little thing about Holland can be found here. (From how many toothbrushes have been sold to whom and whom commited which crime and when.) It's not something you dig up in a few minutes!
:)
A J
25 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
Why? We all know you were dying to say something about black people.
I did not attend university either. You should know that lacking education doesn't always mean a lack of intellectual capacities.
And?
It's been studied worldwide, by thousands of people, and all of these people came up with the same conclusions. Poverty is a relative concept. If I'm poor here, I'm still rich compared to someone in a third-world country, but being poor here is more of an exception, while being poor in a third-world country is more common. Being poor while you're surrounded by wealthy people means social isolation, which more often than not causes frustration and anger.
There's the reason. They weren't the exception, because back then a lot of people were poor. Do you know this saying? A shared burden is half the burden. It's true! It's much easier to accept your situation if you're not the exception to the rule, or when people of your group aren't the exception to the rule.
I guess it's my time to say this is nonsense. For aslong as human societies have existed, crimes have been committed. America hasn't been called the Wild West for nothing you know. Infact, the first immigrants committed the biggest crimes of all. One of these crimes being genocide on the native population.
They did, and like I've said previously, poverty among the populace was way more common than it is now. People weren't the outcast, or the exception if they were poor in those days. The feeling of being neglected, being treated unfairly, not being treated as an equal and the feeling of not being able to participate in society, that's the whole core of the issue here.
The very same immigrants who never had any of their priviledges, and who have never enjoyed any benefits of the growing economy. (So it really doesn't surprise me that there's some bad blood there!)
Yes, and black people were taught not to socialize with white people, not to sit where white people should sit in the bus. (Even if the seat was empty.) or even visit any white people's establishments. And so on. If you're 85, then you know there was still segregation in America after the second world war.
Now, the real reason why some people do not want to admit that poverty breeds crime is because such people need an excuse to blame the ones they're treating unfairly, so that it seems justifiable. This whole subject has been studied intensively worldwide, and it's been proven. Get over it. Your magic trick doesn't work anymore. People don't commit more crimes just because they're black. People commit more crimes when they're poor. You can deny this all you want, but you can also look at statistics. Poor people commit way more crimes than people who are wealthy. None of your theories and none of your comments can disprove this simple fact of life.
Now, why do black people procentually commit more crimes than white people? Because they're black? Why do Polish people procentually commit more crimes than Dutch people? Because they're Slavic? No. Because they're poor and frustrated. It's not a mystery that black people are the poorest ethnicity in America. (Together with illegal immigrants.)
Go ahead, deny it. I know some of you will try to blame criminal behaviour on the culture of black people again, but the truth is that these people don't have a culture. It was taken away from them over all of those years of slavery when they weren't allowed to have a culture. These people actually lost their culture. I know that some of you will also deny the simple fact that Polish people commit more crimes than Dutch people again, a fact which some of you guys have proven yourself by posting the FORUM report. Again, I'm not using the Polish/Dutch thing to insult the Polish, but I'm merely using these figures to prove that poverty breeds crime.
To explain the whole problem in one simple sentence: When you have a group of people who have much more than they actually need, and another group of people who simply don't have enough, you'll see that's going to cause conflicts and problems between those groups.
:)
I stayed out of this debate as long as I could.
Why? We all know you were dying to say something about black people.
I know that I am not equal to you university educated youngsters.
I did not attend university either. You should know that lacking education doesn't always mean a lack of intellectual capacities.
I am 85 yrs old and my parents were Polish Immigrants..
And?
I keep seeing in here that there were statement made that poverty breeds crime. Bull Schidt!
It's been studied worldwide, by thousands of people, and all of these people came up with the same conclusions. Poverty is a relative concept. If I'm poor here, I'm still rich compared to someone in a third-world country, but being poor here is more of an exception, while being poor in a third-world country is more common. Being poor while you're surrounded by wealthy people means social isolation, which more often than not causes frustration and anger.
My parents along with all of the other Immigrants were dirt poor. This is true with all the other nationalities.
There's the reason. They weren't the exception, because back then a lot of people were poor. Do you know this saying? A shared burden is half the burden. It's true! It's much easier to accept your situation if you're not the exception to the rule, or when people of your group aren't the exception to the rule.
There was no crime.
I guess it's my time to say this is nonsense. For aslong as human societies have existed, crimes have been committed. America hasn't been called the Wild West for nothing you know. Infact, the first immigrants committed the biggest crimes of all. One of these crimes being genocide on the native population.
People worked hard and did without.. There was no welfare.. Everybody pulled his own weight.
They did, and like I've said previously, poverty among the populace was way more common than it is now. People weren't the outcast, or the exception if they were poor in those days. The feeling of being neglected, being treated unfairly, not being treated as an equal and the feeling of not being able to participate in society, that's the whole core of the issue here.
After two World wars, America grew into a mighty nation on the backs of Immigrants.
The very same immigrants who never had any of their priviledges, and who have never enjoyed any benefits of the growing economy. (So it really doesn't surprise me that there's some bad blood there!)
Today America is loaded with wealthy 1st and 2nd generation nationalities.. We were taught to be frugal by our parents.
Yes, and black people were taught not to socialize with white people, not to sit where white people should sit in the bus. (Even if the seat was empty.) or even visit any white people's establishments. And so on. If you're 85, then you know there was still segregation in America after the second world war.
Now, the real reason why some people do not want to admit that poverty breeds crime is because such people need an excuse to blame the ones they're treating unfairly, so that it seems justifiable. This whole subject has been studied intensively worldwide, and it's been proven. Get over it. Your magic trick doesn't work anymore. People don't commit more crimes just because they're black. People commit more crimes when they're poor. You can deny this all you want, but you can also look at statistics. Poor people commit way more crimes than people who are wealthy. None of your theories and none of your comments can disprove this simple fact of life.
Now, why do black people procentually commit more crimes than white people? Because they're black? Why do Polish people procentually commit more crimes than Dutch people? Because they're Slavic? No. Because they're poor and frustrated. It's not a mystery that black people are the poorest ethnicity in America. (Together with illegal immigrants.)
Go ahead, deny it. I know some of you will try to blame criminal behaviour on the culture of black people again, but the truth is that these people don't have a culture. It was taken away from them over all of those years of slavery when they weren't allowed to have a culture. These people actually lost their culture. I know that some of you will also deny the simple fact that Polish people commit more crimes than Dutch people again, a fact which some of you guys have proven yourself by posting the FORUM report. Again, I'm not using the Polish/Dutch thing to insult the Polish, but I'm merely using these figures to prove that poverty breeds crime.
To explain the whole problem in one simple sentence: When you have a group of people who have much more than they actually need, and another group of people who simply don't have enough, you'll see that's going to cause conflicts and problems between those groups.
:)
A J
25 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
That's because those people you've seen have been working.
You don't know much about Holland, do you? You can only recieve an unemployement security here for three months, which will be 75% of your last earned salary. After that, you'll recieve benefits, which are listed below:
Benefits in Holland for 2010.
st-ab.nl/abwnorm29.htm
Younger than 21: Single: 213 € a month. (The cheapest flat you'll find in Holland is going to be more expensive than that.) Married: 426 € a month. Married couple with one person older than 21: 830 € a month. Single parent: 460 € a month.
Older than 21: Single: 617 € a month. Married: 1234 € a month. Single parent: 863 € a month.
This may seem much to Polish people, but you should know that the average rent in Holland is:
cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/bouwen-wonen/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2010/2010-020-pb.htm
600 €.
They only get severly punished if it gets proven, but a lot of employers use an awful lot of smart excuses to refuse someone.
CBS Statline Statistics in a report about discrimination.
art1.nl/nprd/factsheets/Discriminatie%20en%20beeldvorming%20op%20de%20arbeidsmarkt.pdf
Scroll down, and have a look at all the statistics in this report. The first graphic you'll see deals with people of all ethnicities who are working. (The word Autochtoon means Dutch nationality, and I'm sure you can figure out the rest of the ethnicities by yourself, because Dutch doesn't differ that much from English really!) The purple bars represent women, and the bordeaux red bars represent men. The second graphic deals with unemployment. Same story there!
I'm not giving anyone excuses. I'm only presenting factual information from the most reliable sources in Holland, while you're the one who's spreading lies and falsehoods, and you're the one who makes uneducated comments about poverty-related issues, and you're the one who can't prove anything of what you claim, simply because you're lying. Have a nice day.
:)
I would rather support aiding and rebuilding programs myself, but unfortunately our right-winged and conservative Christian parties seem to like their cheap labour a little too much, and this includes Geert Wilders. Geert Wilders claims to oppose mass-immigration, but he obviously supports mass-immigration from within the EU. (No wonder, because he has an Hungarian wife!)
Go ahead and blame the Social-Liberals in Holland for this mess, because we never participated in any government. (So who's the libtard here?) Meaning the rest of the corrupt clubs keep us out, including your precious right-winged conservatives. It'll change eventually though, because you can't keep lying forever!
You can tell the exact same to all the Polish immigrants then, because they obviously commit more crimes than some black minorities here. Because no one here ever mentioned anything about people from Indonesia or Surinam, which were former colonies of Holland aswell. These groups even have lower crime rates than the Dutch. Anyway, enough about my country. I think I've proven my point here.
Not if I think he's a closet-racist, because I don't have respect for closet-racists.
:)
All so-called "poor" blacks and arabs in Netherlands i've seen own at least a flat, a car, expensive clothes, jewelry and a playstation.
That's because those people you've seen have been working.
All because of the high welfare benefits
You don't know much about Holland, do you? You can only recieve an unemployement security here for three months, which will be 75% of your last earned salary. After that, you'll recieve benefits, which are listed below:
Benefits in Holland for 2010.
st-ab.nl/abwnorm29.htm
Younger than 21: Single: 213 € a month. (The cheapest flat you'll find in Holland is going to be more expensive than that.) Married: 426 € a month. Married couple with one person older than 21: 830 € a month. Single parent: 460 € a month.
Older than 21: Single: 617 € a month. Married: 1234 € a month. Single parent: 863 € a month.
This may seem much to Polish people, but you should know that the average rent in Holland is:
cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/bouwen-wonen/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2010/2010-020-pb.htm
600 €.
they get for sitting on their lazy a##es and pretending they can't get a job because of "discrimination" by employers (as if there can even exist significant discrimination in an extremely politically correct country like the Netherlands that severly punishes any employer who's only vaguely suspected of having ever refused 1 coloured person).
They only get severly punished if it gets proven, but a lot of employers use an awful lot of smart excuses to refuse someone.
CBS Statline Statistics in a report about discrimination.
art1.nl/nprd/factsheets/Discriminatie%20en%20beeldvorming%20op%20de%20arbeidsmarkt.pdf
Scroll down, and have a look at all the statistics in this report. The first graphic you'll see deals with people of all ethnicities who are working. (The word Autochtoon means Dutch nationality, and I'm sure you can figure out the rest of the ethnicities by yourself, because Dutch doesn't differ that much from English really!) The purple bars represent women, and the bordeaux red bars represent men. The second graphic deals with unemployment. Same story there!
Shame on you that you giving these lazy welfare-diggers excuses to rob and rape people because of their "poverrty".
I'm not giving anyone excuses. I'm only presenting factual information from the most reliable sources in Holland, while you're the one who's spreading lies and falsehoods, and you're the one who makes uneducated comments about poverty-related issues, and you're the one who can't prove anything of what you claim, simply because you're lying. Have a nice day.
:)
Exactly. So leave those who, by your admission, are predisposed to poverty and crime where they best belong: in the relative wealth of their countries.
I would rather support aiding and rebuilding programs myself, but unfortunately our right-winged and conservative Christian parties seem to like their cheap labour a little too much, and this includes Geert Wilders. Geert Wilders claims to oppose mass-immigration, but he obviously supports mass-immigration from within the EU. (No wonder, because he has an Hungarian wife!)
Go ahead and blame the Social-Liberals in Holland for this mess, because we never participated in any government. (So who's the libtard here?) Meaning the rest of the corrupt clubs keep us out, including your precious right-winged conservatives. It'll change eventually though, because you can't keep lying forever!
They'll be much happier there. And, at the same time, we'll be able to avoid the inconveniences of "conflicts and problems" that are sure to manifest.
You can tell the exact same to all the Polish immigrants then, because they obviously commit more crimes than some black minorities here. Because no one here ever mentioned anything about people from Indonesia or Surinam, which were former colonies of Holland aswell. These groups even have lower crime rates than the Dutch. Anyway, enough about my country. I think I've proven my point here.
You could show some deference to an elder.
Not if I think he's a closet-racist, because I don't have respect for closet-racists.
:)
A J
26 May 2010
News / Polish Policeman shoots down a foreigner in Warsaw [300]
No, I'm not, and I think I've told people a dozen times by now that I'm a Social-Liberal. (Or a Liberal-Socialist if you will!)
I never said that. I'm just trying to make it crystal clear that poor people resort to crime much more often than people who are wealthy enough to keep themselves out of trouble, regardless of what nationality or ethnicity they belong to.
I guess I'll be waiting for the happy ending?
I'm not whining. I'm trying to make people aware of the fact that there are mutual benefits to banning poverty. Cheap labour might seem beneficial at first, but the less you're going to pay your working class, the less they'll be spending in your stores. A four year old could figure it out really.
Nie ma sprawy.
Again, I'm not saying that it is. It's just a fact of life that poverty leads to many problems in society. Corrupt leadership is no excuse either, and frauds and employers who break the law are criminals aswell. I'm not a Communist for pointing that out, am I?
The fault of society would be that some people aren't exactly willing to acknowledge that poverty is a problem that we as a society should have solved ages ago. If society isn't going to do anything about poverty, then its people really shouldn't be surprised to see more anger and more violence in the not-distant-future.
I'll give you an example: We have a few politicians here who claim that it's necessary to lower benefits. To decrease minimum wage. To increase the rent. We have an upper class here who's responsible for this crisis. Who's paying for this crisis? The single mother who doesn't have a husband and who already can't give her children what they need, and not the bank manager who earns millions a year, who's completely responsible for this whole crisis. So who's the scum here? Who's immoral? Who's deliberately throwing people out of their homes now? Who's making people desperate enough to commit crimes? I'm not even going to get into another argument about fault, because to me it's too damn obvious already..
;)
AJ, are you some sort of commie?
No, I'm not, and I think I've told people a dozen times by now that I'm a Social-Liberal. (Or a Liberal-Socialist if you will!)
Being poor do not mean you have to turn up as criminal.
I never said that. I'm just trying to make it crystal clear that poor people resort to crime much more often than people who are wealthy enough to keep themselves out of trouble, regardless of what nationality or ethnicity they belong to.
I, for one, was born as close to poverty as possible in Poland. I was destined to care for someone else's sheep, pasturing them in the mountains. Just as my father and grandfather did.
I guess I'll be waiting for the happy ending?
Dont just whine about unfair treatment.
I'm not whining. I'm trying to make people aware of the fact that there are mutual benefits to banning poverty. Cheap labour might seem beneficial at first, but the less you're going to pay your working class, the less they'll be spending in your stores. A four year old could figure it out really.
Think of your perpectives, grind your teeth, say to yourself "No way in hell!" (Nie ma, kur*wa, mowy!)and work for years to get out of this sh*it.
Nie ma sprawy.
Poverty is not an excuse.
Again, I'm not saying that it is. It's just a fact of life that poverty leads to many problems in society. Corrupt leadership is no excuse either, and frauds and employers who break the law are criminals aswell. I'm not a Communist for pointing that out, am I?
If you start killing people or selling drugs, whatever your background is, it is your fault, not the one of the society.
The fault of society would be that some people aren't exactly willing to acknowledge that poverty is a problem that we as a society should have solved ages ago. If society isn't going to do anything about poverty, then its people really shouldn't be surprised to see more anger and more violence in the not-distant-future.
I'll give you an example: We have a few politicians here who claim that it's necessary to lower benefits. To decrease minimum wage. To increase the rent. We have an upper class here who's responsible for this crisis. Who's paying for this crisis? The single mother who doesn't have a husband and who already can't give her children what they need, and not the bank manager who earns millions a year, who's completely responsible for this whole crisis. So who's the scum here? Who's immoral? Who's deliberately throwing people out of their homes now? Who's making people desperate enough to commit crimes? I'm not even going to get into another argument about fault, because to me it's too damn obvious already..
;)
A J
28 May 2010
A J
30 May 2010
Off-Topic / WHEN IS THE ENGLISH WEATHER IN POLAND GOING TO END....? [44]
Nope, not this year, sorry!
xD
when is the sun coming out to play....?
Nope, not this year, sorry!
xD
A J
30 May 2010
Off-Topic / WHEN IS THE ENGLISH WEATHER IN POLAND GOING TO END....? [44]
Just buy yourself a ticket to Spain or Portugal. (And take your girl with you, I'm sure she'll love it!)
:)
A-J (Complains about everything, except the weather.)
Just buy yourself a ticket to Spain or Portugal. (And take your girl with you, I'm sure she'll love it!)
:)
A-J (Complains about everything, except the weather.)
A J
30 May 2010
Off-Topic / WHEN IS THE ENGLISH WEATHER IN POLAND GOING TO END....? [44]
Skeggy? Where's that?
:S
Or even sunny Skeggy
Skeggy? Where's that?
:S
A J
30 May 2010
Off-Topic / WHEN IS THE ENGLISH WEATHER IN POLAND GOING TO END....? [44]
Sounds like my cup of tea really. I like chavs, especially those blonde, bubblegum chewing ones who aren't aware of the fact that they look like a supermodel. (Yup, incredibly sexist!)
;)
Tacky shops and chavs mainly.
Sounds like my cup of tea really. I like chavs, especially those blonde, bubblegum chewing ones who aren't aware of the fact that they look like a supermodel. (Yup, incredibly sexist!)
;)
A J
30 May 2010
Off-Topic / WHEN IS THE ENGLISH WEATHER IN POLAND GOING TO END....? [44]
My wallet still disagrees with you.
;)
There you go then, cancel the backyard trip and head for Skeggy :-)
My wallet still disagrees with you.
;)
A J
30 May 2010
Off-Topic / WHEN IS THE ENGLISH WEATHER IN POLAND GOING TO END....? [44]
Have you tried one of those funny Indian dances around a bonfire with the whole community?
xD
Have you tried one of those funny Indian dances around a bonfire with the whole community?
xD
A J
31 May 2010
UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]
Well, from what I've read here it must certainly be the shittiest newspaper in all of Britain?
I haven't, but I do know how media works. It's all psychology these days, even the smallest advertisement. It goes hand in hand with marketing and politics, and ofcourse it influences public opinion to some extent.
Does that sum it up for you, or..? Care to add some more?
:)
All this fuss about the DM...Im sure they are gratefull for the marketing :D
Well, from what I've read here it must certainly be the shittiest newspaper in all of Britain?
I doubt any of you have ever work within the media so therefore I doubt any of you have any idea how it works!
I haven't, but I do know how media works. It's all psychology these days, even the smallest advertisement. It goes hand in hand with marketing and politics, and ofcourse it influences public opinion to some extent.
Does that sum it up for you, or..? Care to add some more?
:)
A J
31 May 2010
Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]
I would agree with this if you could garauntee everyone a fair wage and fair prices, and the opportunities to develop ourselves. It's easy to call the younger generation lazy scumbags and everything, but ask yourself this: Do those young people you complain about really stand a chance when they are actually working for less than a minimum wage sometimes? How the hell are they supposed to rent or buy property if this keeps up? I mean, if honest work doesn't pay the bills anymore, and if honest work simply doesn't get you anywhere anymore, then don't blame the younger generation for screwing up. The rest of society also plays a role in this. It's not like the younger generation suffers from a collective lazy syndrome all of a sudden. When you tell young people honest work is the right thing to do, then show them a fair wage. Give them a fair chance. Make housing prices and rents affordable again. Some people can keep blaming the younger generation if that suits them, but I can garauntee all of them that their younger generation will not survive this way. If you think foreigners will save society, think again, because the exact same will happen to them once they wish to settle down.
I'm fine with criticism, but keep it fair. Some folks really have to acknowledge that some things aren't balanced anymore, lest things will only get worse.
Don't forget about the chronically ill, mentally ill and handicapped people. They deserve some humanity from the rest of us. So that's a big no to your starvation comment, which is far too simple. (In my opinion.)
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A-J (Would like fair wages and cheaper houses tomorrow!)
If you want money, you work - and if that means that you have to work 60 hours a week, then so be it.
I would agree with this if you could garauntee everyone a fair wage and fair prices, and the opportunities to develop ourselves. It's easy to call the younger generation lazy scumbags and everything, but ask yourself this: Do those young people you complain about really stand a chance when they are actually working for less than a minimum wage sometimes? How the hell are they supposed to rent or buy property if this keeps up? I mean, if honest work doesn't pay the bills anymore, and if honest work simply doesn't get you anywhere anymore, then don't blame the younger generation for screwing up. The rest of society also plays a role in this. It's not like the younger generation suffers from a collective lazy syndrome all of a sudden. When you tell young people honest work is the right thing to do, then show them a fair wage. Give them a fair chance. Make housing prices and rents affordable again. Some people can keep blaming the younger generation if that suits them, but I can garauntee all of them that their younger generation will not survive this way. If you think foreigners will save society, think again, because the exact same will happen to them once they wish to settle down.
I'm fine with criticism, but keep it fair. Some folks really have to acknowledge that some things aren't balanced anymore, lest things will only get worse.
The alternative is starvation... just like it was when Britain was still "Great".
Don't forget about the chronically ill, mentally ill and handicapped people. They deserve some humanity from the rest of us. So that's a big no to your starvation comment, which is far too simple. (In my opinion.)
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A-J (Would like fair wages and cheaper houses tomorrow!)
A J
31 May 2010
UK, Ireland / The Daily Mail - coverage of the Polish people [161]
So you're trying to tell me that psychology doesn't play a role in imagery, or any role in advertisements about beauty and health products for example? Or that psychology isn't applied to Life Style? Politics? Come on!
Ah. Ha. Hah. You're so funny! Could you please enlighten us silly mortals? Or does the Daily Mail Mafia pay you for your silence?
;)
Okay, I'll admit it, I *do* feel a bit dumb now..
:P
Well, maybe I think that preying on the feelings that live among the populace could be vieuwed as an attempt at manipulation aswell you know.. Like all those polls for example. They only ask a few thousand people for their opinion, and suddenly that means a certain percentage of the total populace thinks this way? What if they've been selective? What if the results would've been completely different in a different area?
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Then you have no idea,
So you're trying to tell me that psychology doesn't play a role in imagery, or any role in advertisements about beauty and health products for example? Or that psychology isn't applied to Life Style? Politics? Come on!
but I do ;0)
Ah. Ha. Hah. You're so funny! Could you please enlighten us silly mortals? Or does the Daily Mail Mafia pay you for your silence?
;)
No, we have the Sun the Star and and Daily Mirror, the Daily Mail is actaully a news paper that is targeted at the middle classes - so you are illinformed, ignorance is bliss, all you hear is Daily Mail!
Okay, I'll admit it, I *do* feel a bit dumb now..
:P
lol, we all know how our we feel in our countries, the press just prey on this and the DM do this well, but to be honest, all they do is inform.
Well, maybe I think that preying on the feelings that live among the populace could be vieuwed as an attempt at manipulation aswell you know.. Like all those polls for example. They only ask a few thousand people for their opinion, and suddenly that means a certain percentage of the total populace thinks this way? What if they've been selective? What if the results would've been completely different in a different area?
;)
A J
31 May 2010
News / Potheads attack police in Warsaw [40]
I agree. In Holland, it's perfectly legal to smoke it, and guess what? Only a few people actually smoke it. I live in a town with 20.000 people, and we have one small Coffeeshop. I think they have maybe a few hundred customers at best! Suffice it to say, my town doesn't smell (Or stink, depends on how you feel about it I guess!) like reefer at all. Believe it or not, but we actually enjoy our fresh air here!
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You are overreacting to a ridiculous degree when you say entire towns stink like reefer.
I agree. In Holland, it's perfectly legal to smoke it, and guess what? Only a few people actually smoke it. I live in a town with 20.000 people, and we have one small Coffeeshop. I think they have maybe a few hundred customers at best! Suffice it to say, my town doesn't smell (Or stink, depends on how you feel about it I guess!) like reefer at all. Believe it or not, but we actually enjoy our fresh air here!
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A J
31 May 2010
History / If i could write European history i would unite Europe under Polish language [67]
I don't, and that's why I said it could be.
The English language changed. The German language changed. The Fresian language didn't change. (Some Danish and German people still speak Fresian.)
I'd rather speak Polish.
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But the question is, how do you know your language developed first?
I don't, and that's why I said it could be.
maybe it developed after another language and incorporated those sounds.
The English language changed. The German language changed. The Fresian language didn't change. (Some Danish and German people still speak Fresian.)
why not just resurrect the use of Latin as lingua france
I'd rather speak Polish.
;)
A J
31 May 2010
Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]
This roughly means 625 €. I would classify that as far too expensive for Poland's working class. (Not even talking about minimum wage there!)
*shakes head*
2500zl/mnth is quite a lot for a flat in PL
This roughly means 625 €. I would classify that as far too expensive for Poland's working class. (Not even talking about minimum wage there!)
*shakes head*
A J
31 May 2010
Real Estate / PLN 2,500 the going rate for an apartment in Poland [210]
Which roughly means 237 €. Sounds reasonable, if you take into consideration the Euro is about 4 times stronger. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you think this should be the average in Poland? I mean 2500 PLN a month? Even a Dutch person would call that pretty expensive for a flat!
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Well, I pay 950PLN for everything.
Which roughly means 237 €. Sounds reasonable, if you take into consideration the Euro is about 4 times stronger. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you think this should be the average in Poland? I mean 2500 PLN a month? Even a Dutch person would call that pretty expensive for a flat!
:S