Genealogy / POLISH NOBILITY NAMES IN -SKIi [82]

I would love to know where the person who told you this lives in the Usa. I have never even heard of discrimination against poles in the US. This person is just mistaken. There will always be ignorant persons in the world who will discriminate agaist someone who is different than they are. Let us not perpetuate the hate by spreading false statements about an entire country.

Genealogy / Looking for relatives of Vincent Sowinski, Poland. [5]

There are 360 Sowinskis on nasza-klasa. It is possible one may be related to you.

Genealogy / 1939 Krakow - what happened to the residents? [21]

Is it possible she remarried and that is why you are having difficulty finding her death record under that name?

Genealogy / POLISH NOBILITY NAMES IN -SKIi [82]

Domino
My condolences for your late father, as I said before there are ignorant people in the world. I wouldn't necessarily call anyone who cracked a polish joke in thier lifetime a moron but I understand your point. There will always be some racest people in the world and I feel sorry for them. I don't believe that anyone who uses a racial slur or cracks a joke about another ethnicity is a racest or we would all probably be racist. I mean the irish would be drunks, asians would be horrible drivers, jews would all have big noses and are cheap, and to tell you the truth I would never have wanted to grow up in my or many countries being black. I have the utmost respect for people who overcome adversity including those subjected to ignorant persons, but if being called dumb is the worst thing that happened to me growing up I count my blessings. There are far worse fates.

Genealogy / POLISH NOBILITY NAMES IN -SKIi [82]

In Poland from what I have read there are 2 types of nobility.

1. The szlachta (nobility) inherited both status and land. They were, however, obligated to perform military service for the king, and to submit to his tribunals (his court of moral principles or laws), but they were the independant magistrates over their own lands

2. noble/yeomanry which is the more common form in which person received ownership of lands and were given the right to bear a coat of arms. No real title was bestowed upon them.

Genealogy / Polish noble origins information [17]

The researcher I used charged $20.00 US. per hour of research. He came highly reccommended. I decided to contact persons he had worked for in the past as I have heard rumors of non ethical practices regarding other researchers. If you have accurate information regarding births of previous descendants, He can do alot. Most of the research done for me was done through the archives of Stary Luboten. It was rather simple for me as my name was the only family using this surname in the district. Archive research is tedious because most of the records are in Russian. I don't speak Polish or Russian so my researcher was invaluable in that regard. I could have taken a trip over there and stumbled through translations or tried to order the LDS microfilms (which we did anyway cause it is more practical when I wanted copies of documents) and tried to work through them myself. I decided to do things the more expedient way. I have discovered 4 generations on my grandmothers side of family Zadrozny. and 2 generations on my grandfathers side of the family. Skibniewski You really have to base your decisions on time and how much your willing to spend. I personelly am happy with the results but because of Emil's research I was able to contact living cousins in POland and the UK. I never knew I had. I have 35 living cousins living abroad. This information was invaluable to me.

The major problem for me was there is a large gap of time where there are no records of my family. 1808- 1824 This I assume means this is the time my family moved there from somewhere else. I have no idea where from? This is my problem. I want to go further back but am at a standstill. Any suggestions from anyone are welcome?

Genealogy / Polish noble origins information [17]

polishgenealogy.com.pl
polishgenealogy@rubikon.pl is his page on the net.

Tycki
It is not necessary to have birth certificates just a birth date and town relative grew up in (born or baptised in). Obviously the more information you give him the more positive your results will be. Part of his research will be to make copies of birth, marriage, and death certificates and translate them for you. He will also do research before he even charges you at least that what he did for me. I had my grandfathers marriage certificate and from that the town where he grew up was retrieved. It was in Latin so he translated it for me.

Hiring a proffessional does not guarantee results but it certainly will expedite the process.

Genealogy / Polish noble origins information [17]

Thank you for the post. I am aware of the general history of the Ślepowron clan. I did a little research on the subject. Does anyone know of any historians who may have done research on the clan itself. Not as much information as I would like to see on the net on the subject.

Genealogy / Polish noble origins information [17]

markskibniewski
Tycki is right on. I am only interested in finding additional information regarding my family history. Anyone having information on any professionals or historians that specialize or are well versed in the Ślepowron clan would be a great help. I have been doing some research online and have found some interesting things. A branch of the Skibniewskich goes back to 1415.

Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]

TheOther
First of all Poland has existed argueably since 966 but more commonly since 1025. The fact that the Polish-Lithuanian treaty collapsed doesn't mean Poland went away just had no leadership. My Grandfather was proud of his Polish heritage and when he came to the Usa. in 1905 , He put Poland as where he came from not the Russian partisian.

Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]

TheOther
On the contrary have you read this post in its entirety we are talking about ethnicity not citezenship. Actually my grandfather did come from Poland without his birth certificate. And the ships manifest did in fact say he was from Poland. And yes I did get his place of birth from another source his marriage certificate. His birth certificate can not be obtained because it was destroyed. But to find this information out I had to look in the archives that are located in Poland not in Russia although he was born under Russian rule. The fact that Poland was occupied and ruled by foreign invaders for a period of time does not make us Russian, German,or Hungarian. By your argument we should all be Italian as the Roman empire ruled three quarters of Europe for centuries. History helps in the genealogical process but is not ruled by it.

I am very curious as to where you currently reside.

I myself reside in the USA. I was born here. If I am asked what nationality I am (I as would most people pronounce thier heredity) I am half Polish and half Irish.

Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]

iowagirl
I assume the state of MA means Massachusetts. If this is the case, have you looked at thier Petition for Naturalization papers. This will list the area they came from often the town, another source would be marriage certificates especially if they were christian.

Nope, not true. I was responding to Hellen's post (#15) only; read it.

I did read it She asks if anyone knows about passenger lists ..you responded by telling her her descendants were not Polish. You are wrong.

Again: I am talking about citizenship, not ethnicity. An ethnic Pole who was born in Posen (not Poznan!) in 1900 was a citizen of the German Empire.

yes but that does not make them German nor if you want to find genealogical data on anyone being born there would you look in the Germany. lol

Rewriting history or ignoring simple historical facts

No one has rewriiten the facts or history...the fact is if you are looking for genealogical
data for a person born in "occupied" Poland ...you will have to look in Poland.

That's typical American... ;)

The fact that American history is limited to a short time frame does not prevent me from being proud of being an American citizen nor does it negate the fact that my ancestors came from somewhere else.

Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]

Well if I am looking for records for less than 1 percent of the population no problem I will book my next flight to Germany. But I am thinking there is more than a 99 percent chance the records will be in Poland.

As far as the Catholic records all records can be found in Polish archives unless they were destroyed during the war or in the Polish uprising.

Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]


AHHHH yes I do considering protestants make up less than 1 percent of the persons in Poland and that is just persons of the christian faith.

A lot of old catholic church books were given back to Poland by Germany as late as 2001

Thanks for making my point.

Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]


Apparently you don't get it. Less than 1 percent of Poland is protestant. So of course if your looking for protestant records... there is more than a 99 % chance they won't be there. If Iowagirl's relative was protestant.... than by all means I would suggest she book the first flight out to Germany to check those records.

Genealogy / ABOUT KUKULKA [42]

TheOther
I apoligize you are right It was Helen. It is possible that her relative was Protestant. But even in the early 1800's the height of the protestant faith in Poland the area was still only 30 percent protestant. I will wait to see if Helen's ancestors were in fact protestant before I make any recommendations regarding possible research.

When we are talking about ancestors

It was nice to hear you use the word instead of citizens. As geealogy is more the study of one heritage not ones citzenship.

Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

This post seems a bit odd to me. If your not black, your white. Not that there is anything wrong with being either. I live in the Usa. and have never heard of anyone being called black that was Polish.

Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

I have never experienced any racism other than black and white. I do not consider a person telling the occasional Polish joke a racist.

Genealogy / Missing/unknown letter in my great-grandmother's last name. Any ideas? [34]

There are a few possibilities.
1. Was your grandfather an American citizen. If so you can look for his Declaration of Intent and Petition for Naturalization records. These records are a great source of information and are most probably more accurate as they were legal documents.

2. Was your grandfather married in the states? Was he christian/roman catholic? If so was he married in a Polish church? Even if the church wasn't Polish the records are also a great source of information. They often list where both husband and wife were baptised. Which is great for finding the town where your relatives were born.

good luck

Genealogy / Missing/unknown letter in my great-grandmother's last name. Any ideas? [34]

Thanks for all the other suggestions. I will contact someone back in the states to look into the Naturalization records. My greatgranfather is listed as 'NA' in the earliest census reports I could find (Code for Naturalized).

If you know the state and county that your Greatgrandfather lived when he 1st came to the states or where you think he was living when naturalized, there are many records listed online that will assist you in finding the record. The only drawback is it will most likely cost you $15- $20.00 to obtain the record. If you need any assistance let me know as i have obtained my grandfathers record this way

Genealogy / What certificate is this?; birth certificate from the greek catholic church [63]

Why? I believe that to most people (in the west?) heritage is not really important.

Define in the west? Because I am proud of both my Polish and Iirish heritage. Don't know anyone who isn't.

[b]And honestly, what difference does it make whether your g-g-g-grandfather grew up in Poland, Germany or Russia, and whether he felt like a German, Russian or Pole? [/b]

I'm sorry what site did you sign up to chat on. I was under the impression this was Polish genealogy forum. Not that I or anyone else on this forum would disriminate against another heritage asking questions. IMHO

Some people here on PF take heritage, national pride and history way too serious, IMHO.

guilty

History tell us that although Poland may have been removed from the map temporarily (who makes the maps anyway...the people in power do) it never truly went away.

Genealogy / What certificate is this?; birth certificate from the greek catholic church [63]

Why is it so important to you whether your ancestors called themselves ethnic Poles, Germans or Russians? What difference does that make for your genealogical research?

Probably because several of my descendants were killed during the Russian occupation/partisian whatever you prefer. I have living cousins in Poland and the U.K. that have very biased views of both Germany and Russia. I personally do not but that probably is because I was not directly influenced by the war. It is funny I have one relative who hates the Russians understandably (her husband was killed by the Russians while they were hiding in the woods while they were looting thier farm) while her son has fond memories of the German soldiers who played with him when they temporarily seized thier farm and used it as a base camp.

It is not what my ancestors called themselves (they were Polish) It is when others call them German or Russian. AS I said guilty.

As for genealogical research it matters less, but I will let you know. Before I found this site and really became interested in tracing my heritage I consulted several Russian sites as well as 2 consulates as I know my Grandfather was born in Poland under the Russian partisian. They all directed me to look in Poland for the answers.

I was curious however about missiing records that could still be in Germany? Is there a site or place online where I could learn more about this subject. It seems my search is coming slowly to a close as the records just don't exist anymore.

Genealogy / What certificate is this?; birth certificate from the greek catholic church [63]

Thank you for the sites , I will definately look them over.

Genealogy / Are there other ways of finding records that exist further back than 1826? [22]

Sympathy no. Perhaps understanding from those who feel the same as I do when they are faced with the possible end of a journey. Certainly not feeble comments from a weak fool wishing to kick someone when they are down. Or perhaps maybe some honesty. I have looked for a long time and hoped I would be able to go back further. I understand I am lucky to have gone back as far as I have but I do not wish to give up. I still appreciate the luck though as I will need it.

Genealogy / Are there other ways of finding records that exist further back than 1826? [22]

All records I have found to date are from the Pultusk archives in the Stary Luboten area which was the proper Catholic parish. What bothers me is there is a large gap in the records from 1808 to 1826. Which suggests to me that they moved from a different area to that region. Unfortunately for me I have no idea from. I tried to check other parish records for neighboring areas but they don't exist for that time period, records checked in archives

STARY LUBOTYŃ Roman-Catholic parish records:
B: 1808-1862, 1864-1869, 1890-1898
M: 1808-1862, 1864-1869, 1884-1900
D: 1809-1862, 1864-1869, 1882-1897

as well as grodzkie books for the Ostrow MAzowiecka area (only 2 survived)

Genealogy / Are there other ways of finding records that exist further back than 1826? [22]

The records exist they just don't contain any information about my family prior to 1826. My family seemed to avg 7-9 siblings per generation and seems weird that there is no records for births for close to 20 years.

The records listed are LDS records ordered throught the archive. Thank you very much for list.

Is it possible to gain access to the Russian archives?

Genealogy / Are there other ways of finding records that exist further back than 1826? [22]

Softsong
Thank you for the suggestion. I have looked at all death records from D: 1809-1862, 1864-1869, 1882-1897. the earliest death record I have is Florian Skibniewski died Dec 31. 1841. It does say they were living in Podbielko at the time.

Genealogy / Are there other ways of finding records that exist further back than 1826? [22]

Yeah I figured that. Just don't understand how the records were destroyed. I understand that buildings were destroyed during wartime but according to what I have read. The records were copied every year and sent to the vatican. I don't understand how centuries of records were lost...unless the vatican is holding out on the world. (God forbid) Oh well. I may have to start on my mothers side of the family (100 percent Irish).