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BritishEmpire   
30 Apr 2009
Life / Why is cheating at schools in Poland accepted?! [155]

There are hundreds of stories on the Net or by word of mouth.
Polish students who migrate to America or Britain are considered stars or aces in schools there.
And the other way round too. One of my students who had spent a few years in US school, with many successes, with head teacher praising her extensively, was a mere E/F student in my class. There was even problem with her passing to a higher form.

I wonder pawian if you have spent any time thinking about these stories, maybe some are true but its very doubtful that the school they attended in the us/uk would have been of the same quality as they attended in poland.
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

you Poles are a little white, because you were controlled by Sweden and you got mixed.

I will be amazed if anyone said that and they weren't joking.

you are Eastern European, so you should be on 16k max, you know...

Think yourself lucky, i would have you on the minimum wage + no benefits.

even their bank managers wash our floors'.

Maybe if she pulled her head out of her arse she would of realised that companies are not going to make space for someone thats just come of the boat.

Today I got thrown out of a bank for example, by a bank manager, who suggested that I should close my accounts, and she will not have the time to meet me at 2 (but it was at 4!), ok, she will not have the time to meet me at 3 (but it was at 4!) no time at 3!

Looks to me like your just lying now, if that really did happen then you would be the first person i've ever heard of to have been thrown out of a bank and asked to close their account.
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

I think "racism" is most of the time not even racism at all. It's the unknown, unfamiliarity with a group of newcomers that is kinda scary to some ppl.

I think the word your looking for is xenophobia
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

but she knows that Polans will not go to courts over some petty rude person's behaviours.

Don't be so stupid, you could never take someone to court over they're rude behaviour no matter how rude they are being.

Are you xenophobic BE?

I suppose so, saying that i will always make the effort to talk to people and find out what they are all about but i always expect people to fit in and not to try and change things to their way.

Like with the poles, i didn't welcome them but i spoke to them out of politeness and after 5 years of doing so i have found 1 person that i could truly say was a genuine that i really did like, infact he was the only person i was sad to see go.
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

I could. If she's not comfortable with serving me, there is probably a problem.

You really are clueless, any company can refuse to serve you. They are private companies and are on private property.

because we call the Enlglish Angole? That's anger

Normally its something like angalski

If iam to be honest i couldn't care if my country is racist, xenophobic or anything else that might offend other nations. What does annoy me is other people having a go when their country is no better or is worst. Many polish people are racist, not so much the women but the men are. If anyone of them wants to describe someone to me that is asian or black they will always say something that sounds like "chaback" or "charnoo" to describe that person. It doesn't bother me because people will always find that other races are different, i accept what is real in life and not what looks good on paper.
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

angielski is a normal word, polite word, meaning English

I have always been told by many poles that it was slang. Anglik was the normal way of describing someone that was English.
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

Scotland has a fair share of idiots the same as any other country but as a whole, I would say Scotland is less racist.

I think your looking at it from the wrong angle, scotland throughout history has never had high levels of immigration, england on the other hand has always bore the brunt of it.

If scotland was suddenly flooded with migrants then iam sure they would be as angry as english people are right now.
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

Czarnuch is a name for Africans

No it means n****r, don't take me as a fool

Chapati is the name for Indians

yes that is used as well as chabak (or however it is spelt) but they are both deemed to be derogatory or racist.
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

Celts, Norse, latterly Irish in the 19century and English in the 20th century.

Infact DNA would show otherwise, yes there has been immigration but its inpact as been very low as the numbers that settled were very small.

The largest city in the Highlands has just over 5% of its population as Polish alone (Polish ambassador visited two days ago ). This populastion is set to increase as the recession comes to an end.

Not to bad, i know of areas in england that have over 40% asian and over 10% polish.
Even so the difference is for scotland this has never happened for them before on such a scale so for the moment they are riding the wave, we in england already know whats its like and we don't want it.

Yeah, you got me, I edited but not quickly enough :)

:D

You may translate it as you wish the fact remains that it's constructed to mean blackie

Czarnuch noun ni**er and this is what everyone tells me it means

Why are you still here? ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ get the f*ck out of my country! We dont want or need you! (is that racist enough for you, you thick slavic sl*t?)

I suppose thats one way of getting the message across :-/
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

But as I stated before it is not comparable as there are so few foreign nationalities here in Poland and so many in England and especially London.

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou sean. Its nice to see another person that understands the reason england is like it is. I wonder what will happen when poland has to take its fair share of african migrants the EU has planned for them.

SeanBM - OK, do you have a term that is derogatory to mean white people? Because we do - BiaƂasy.

white boy, honkey, milky bar kid, white trash, need i go on?.
BritishEmpire   
6 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

You shot your own foot, hunter

Not at all, many of them are slang and they came about because of the large immigrant population that we have blacks, asians e.t.c.. So i shall rightly take my arrow and stuff it up your knob box.

1-0
BritishEmpire   
9 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

Few things seemed worth reading in this thread, other than SeanBM's notion that race means very little to begin

BS!, Race means alot its just that most people struggle to understand why.
Its amazing how humans would like to think that they are capable of overriding instinctive feeling, the fact is they happen most of the time without us noticing. Its natural for a culture to want to be around itself, thats has nothing to do with race.

For instance i don't like black people, you will ask yourself why or cry "racist" but i can asure you i don't like them because of the differences in culture which are stark and not because of their skin colour.
BritishEmpire   
10 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Sad life of a Polish migrant in the UK. Ch. 5 - Racism [259]

To suggest that your post has no genesis in the previous post is disingenuous.

Lets make it a bit easier for him yeh.
plagiarism not plagarism, stealing somebody's work or idea and claiming it as original.
Or if you look at it from a different angel they could just have the same beliefs, beliefs that any normal adult would have which is that it is rare for us to become racist for the sake of it.
BritishEmpire   
15 Oct 2009
News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]

It just goes to show how sh@t the UK has become. You know this isn't the worst thing that i know of, up north there are groups of pakis that gang rape teenage white girls but because the girls are white and the police don't want to offend the muslim community they do very little about stopping it. One female politician even went as far as trying to excuse what they had done by saying it was acceptable in islam to have sex before marriage if it was with a none muslim so this was the reason why they targeted white girls.

Fu*kin crazy or what!
BritishEmpire   
16 Nov 2009
USA, Canada / American people attitude towards Poles in the USA [98]

The press will always pick on relatively isolated instances of anti social behaviour by immigrants to peddle their political messages and some idiot Brits will continue to believe what they read.

Well i just so happen to have a friend that works in the county police force so let me repeat what he has told me. The area that has the highest concentration of polish in the local city consists of two roads that are back to back and covers about 300 houses, he informs me that the police are called to this area on a regular basis because of fights between groups of polish that are normally drunk and occasionally it spills over into the nearby area that has a large population of black and asian people. He also informs me there are a large amount of burglaries that occur in the area as well with the vast majority being committed by poles against poles.

I assume alot of them came and worked cheaply
thats the same problem we have with the Mexicans

Yes that is the case, i can speak from experience that the influx of east european workers has reduced the wage of many many people, it varies but my wage has dropped about 25% to 30% but the biggest difference has been the change in working conditions. Saying that there are worst hit sector that have seen a wage reduction of 100% or more. Great for companies but $hite for the rest of us that have a family to support and a mortgage to pay. Even the prime mister has said that immigration had reduced the wage in some sectors.

It is also thought that one in every four English people have French Huguenot ancestry.

These sites have more information on this:

I would suggest that you take everything that is on wiki with a pinch of salt, the site may say that one in every four English people have French Huguenot ancestry but at the same time they say this,

"genetic evidence suggests that 75–95% descend in the paternal line from prehistoric settlers who originally came from the Iberian Peninsula. There is a significant Norse element, as well as a 5% contribution from Angles and Saxons, though other geneticists place the Norse-Germanic estimate up to half".
BritishEmpire   
8 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

Polish have a different work ethic to the Brits and most europeans.

I think what we are looking at are bigger incentives, given the chance most poles will be just as lazy as anyone else its just that for the moment the lure of money gives them the drive to work. Saying that if i got five times more money than i do right now i would certainley have a better work ethic, not to say i have a bad one but it it would be different.

i now have my own business in England.

I have now and previously had many foreign workers. I can honestly say that i would always employ a Pole over any other nationality ( as long as their language skills are good).

I think you need to take a few minutes to understand what you have said as the answer is in the response you gave, as a business owner i can understand why you enjoy having large numbers of low paid, harder working individuals as you main concern is for your business and not for your employees so its natural that you should be pleased.

concerned about their working rights

So they should be, that isn't a bad thing and it shouldn't worry you if you are treating your staff well?.

Why do people always have to bring the BNP into these kind of debates

Well i would says theres two reasons why, the first one is an attempt to stifle any conversation regarding immigrants or immigration and the second reason is because they are scared of the BNP gaining power because it would rain on their parade.

Personaly i see the BNP as a tool, infact i see all parties as a tool because they are there to do the things that i and others would like to see done, in the case of the BNP i have no quarms in voting for them as i see them as a tool to control and reverse the immigration that has spoilt a once prosperous (no debt) and pleasant country. If we are honest with ourselves we dont vote for a party because we agree with everything they say, we only vote because they tick the most boxes when it comes to what matters most to us which is why i dont care if some members of the BNP are racist or not because as our recent MP scandal has show our MP's are not as nice as we thought they all were.

People can say what they like in public because behind closed doors anything can happen.
BritishEmpire   
9 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

I don't know much about the UKIP, I am just curious.

I would say that they are fairly equal on immigration except that the BNP wish to reverse immigration which is more important than just stopping it, we are already overcrowded and at the rate that immigrates reproduce the british will become a minority in the UK as they already are in london and soon will be in leicester.

I wonder how many people feel comfortable about that?.

I think it is scary to see people vote for clearly known racists especially when there is an alternative like the UKIP.
I have to say it reminds me of Hitler's rise to power.

There is quite a difference between hitlers rise to power and the BNP gaining support.
Although it always surprises me how quick people are to claim the BNP are racist as an organisation, there is evidence that some members are in the same way that some members of the other parties are (anyone remember the labour MP that was racially abusive towards a polish traffic warden?) or infact alot of people are so as the old saying goes if you keep complaining to people they dont listen. If you want to know something about the BNP then go to them as relying on another party to do so is a mistake because they all slate each other and spread rumours.

Just as Germans didn't know what they were getting until it was too late

haha good one jonni, i wonder how many germans you have spoken to on the matter.
Before you ask i have german in the family so i have spoken to quite a few of that era

This is the kind of myth that leads the stupid and easily led to vote for nutty fringe parties.

Its not a myth that asylum seekers were given priority for housing, the details are freely available from your local council and i have viewed my local councils and the proportion of foreign people in council housing is far higher than that of native people.

That's about it really the old saying about the "patriot loves his country and the nationalist hates everyone elses".

First time i have heard that one, i would just say that nationalism is an extreme form of patriotism. Spain was nationalism once but they had many foreigners that resided in the country with no large reports of racial violence. Which leads me to wonder why people view racism as unhuman when the only way to suppress it is with the fear of legal action.

50s,60s & 70s britain is a good example.
BritishEmpire   
9 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

I quoted links that explicitly show the racism inherent in the BNP and they were not from other parties.

Come on sean i took you for a better person than one of those that just say "but its on the internet so it must be true" type of person. Dont get me wrong its well know that the BNP has its roots in a racist group that were created after the government decided that it would be a good idea to allow large numbers of carribean and asia people to settle in the country without the consent of the population. A little bit of history repeated maybe?

Is it also a myth? :

OK sean i will be fair and put a finer point on it so as to not confuse you, iam referring to successful asylum applicants which in reality there should be none in the UK as international law states you should claim asylum in the first country you come to and not the 5th or 6th.

Are all the foreigners asylum seekers?
There is a very big difference between the two.

Well if you look at the country of origin then it kind of gives it away.
Even so the percentage of british people (so they could be of other race) that reside in a council house in my city is about 30%.

Most likely because they are not so good at deceiving the local council when it comes to obtaining housing. If you like i could give you examples as i happen to work with people who are more than happy to tell me how they do it.

A good example of what?

A good example of people are treated when they are not welcome but the government sees it fit to invite them. Come on sean iam guessing your british and iam no oak tree but i still no the history of race riots in the UK.

A bizarre claim. On the estates near my home, in a multicultural city, the faces on the estates are generally white.

Yes it is bizarre that british people are put first but the facts speak for themselves.

Almost certainly many more than you, having lived there.

Wow jonni how do you fit it all in having worked for lloyd of london and running your own business, i commend you on even finding time to post on these forums.

too sensible to vote for an openly racist

Well i would say you are wrong there for one reason, if they were openly racist they would have been prosecuted and shut down. Even so the right of a man in his own country to dislike someone from another country is entirely his and legal whether you, i or the queen of england likes it or not. There is no such thing as thought police.

Europe in general has had a lot of immigrants the "violence" has not materialised despite what a lot of drama queens say. Racism is inhuman because it's against humans, trying to combat something inhuman within the parameters of the law is a good thing.

The violence has materialised but each time it does the governments apply marshal law and complain to the natives that they are the ones that have to change, french riots a few years ago spring to mind. Even so the largest reason why people are so passive on the subject is because there are very few that have the power or influence that live in these areas so nothing changes.

The BNP are a racist organisation Ukip are not. Racism is inhuman draw your own conclusions.

Well old cameron said once that UKIP are closet racists but whether they are or not shouldn't bother any potential voters because the world "racist" is very loose and widely applied these days, sticks and stones and all that.

I would say racism isn't inhumane just a not so nice part of human nature as humans have evolved to reject other cultures and races and have developed into separate communities and nations that rejected mixing, if it wasn't true then why do we have black and white people???.

Stopping immigration is not racist, throwing non whites out is.

Not at all, if some one has come to work and they are no longer a use then the host country should not have to provide for them, india didn't think much of cancelling a huge amount of work visas and making all the holders reapply. O sh1t thats not racist though is it because they are coloured.

The migration model is the easiest way to do this.

And the most destructive, history has shown that (roman empire being a good example).
But if the only thing that matters to you is how much money you have then all i can say is you are missing out on a hell of alot of life.

Wasn't an issue until what, 18 months ago? It'll cease to be an issue again within a couple of years.

Thats very true, there was enough work but there is a difference between having foreign workers and foreign workers that have a right to permanent residency.

Lets say you are correct, how do you propose to increase productivity without migration?

Increase efficiency through the use of technology, increase the level of high tech funding and university funding for the appropriate training and cancel the 2 illegal wars that we are fighting. JD! :D

Governments do publish statistics each year, you just don't read them but they are freely available on the web.

The government always fiddles the figures and its been spread across the news multiple times for all to see, if you want information at least go independent and dont rely on the state.

Regarding immigration something like migrationwatchuk.org would be a good place to start especially for all you UKIPer's out there ;-)
BritishEmpire   
10 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

My question was about asylum seekers and foreigners not about foreigners and British people or British to English as I was asking about your original quote.

What i was implying was that you can tell by the country of origin that the majority are successful asylum seekers, still the point is that the majority of the housing is not held by native people.

I think specialisations in medicine and technology are also what E.U. countries should be gearing towards.

Iam sure theres many options that could be explored, japan and korea used to be poor countries 60 years ago but they have both pulled their socks up and become powerful economies without the need of large numbers of migrant workers. Saying that though they are not obsessed with class systems like we are.

usually for inciting hatred.

Kids have been convicted of the same offence, thats a silly crime. Moving on though its obvious the crimes were committed but its a shame the public's knowledge of politicians convictions doesn't seem to extend much further than the BNP, well i suppose they wouldn't when the very papers they read support either the labour party or conservative party, if they did know abit more then i doubt they would ever vote for anyone again.

handy lists of some BNP activists crimes for voters wondering who might be representing them if they tick the wrong box.

Well we have been voting for a corrupt government for the last 12 years so what the hell!
In for a penny in for a pound :D
BritishEmpire   
11 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

None whatsoever. At least their forerunners (and inspiration) invented the VW.

Strange that is, considering most of them are ex-servicemen and nick griffins father served in the RAF during world war 2 while jack straws (every prat lefties favourite man) father was in prison for refusing to fight.

They won't get even within a sniff of power

Then why are you so worried about that then?, if you are so sure that people will not provide the support then chill out a bit and stop getting all irate about the BNP.

Just add Hitler and you have the perfect internet post.

Well i was expecting the kids would join the conversation at some point. Snipping parts out and putting them together to say something different is what rapists and murderers do in their bedrooms with a sheet of A4 paper, a news paper and some glue.

Maybe you would like to take the time to prove me wrong instead?, once again why do we have black and white people then if humans are so pro integration?

You are staggeringly cynical and bitter.

Aren't they too a part of society?

No not at all, remind yourself who allowed them in, it wasn't me and it wasn't the majority of the british population. Thats right it was the government again!.

Undoubtedly. Though not by nailbombs in the pub. Unless Gordon's got a secret hobby.

I think your reffering to that guy that was once a member of the BNP, so i suppose that means the BNP was behind it then :D

Fortunately most British people are not so obsessed with foreign people, workers or not.

Strange because the last time there was a major pole it was about 80% of people that wanted tougher controls over immigration and about 60% that wanted policies to reverse the amount of immigration we have.

Maybe not obsessed but very concerned and desiring action.

But they won't have any impact on immigration or anything else because they will do so badly in the next election that they will lose their deposit in every seat.

Can you tell me my fortune and the lottery numbers while you are at it, come on fellas if you know that much you must know the lottery numbers aswell. Don't be shy now ;-)

Most are in nasty hostels.

Yes aweful places that are clean, modern, meals provided and all for free, so good that some of them decided to burn a new one of them down.

They aren't growing. A few mid-term votes in depressed areas. Hardly "cabbage".

I hate to have to put it to you but the BNP have been the fastest growing political party for some time. Just stating fact so don't go all lefty on me.

british society is multi-ethnic, and successfully so

hmm, so why is it we have many things that we never had before, like virtual ghettos, no go areas for whites and white flight???. All of that despite the efforts of the many ex comunist party members of the labour party and all the laws they have put in place to force natives into accepting foreigners.

While we are on the subject, how many people do you think will be jumping with joy when the new equality bill comes in that discriminates against whites, dont know about you but i wont be to happy if an asian person of similar skill gets a job over me just because he is asian. Before you call me a liar get on the net and have a read, i made the effort so you all can.

That is really silly logic by your reckoning a sliding scale of support should be introduced dependant upon contributions, good bye Health Service for a start.

I would say hes being quite generous, i would rather be like australia and canada where you get nothing for the first 3 years.
BritishEmpire   
11 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

Can you back that up? And how would you know about "most of them"? Interesting...

Well why don't you stop being ignorant and do like i did, i mean come on they have a big website that you cant miss.

Like ive said before everyone likes to think they know the BNP but how many of us actually do, as the old saying goes you don't know someone until you know them. No i don't know any BNP members but atleast i bothered to find out about them from their website and not some UAF run webshite.

Who's irate? I think it was you who mention them most of the time. By the way, what's their policy on Polish migrant workers?

Your irrate because you over react to everything. If you just attempt to lecture people with out seeing reason then your audience will be small.

By the way, if you won the lottery, what would you spend it on?

Like i said you seem to be able to see into the future so why not give me the numbers and we will find out.

Have you been in one? I have.

Yeh you've been in everything, as far as your concerned there isn't anything you haven't seen or done.
... an appropriate song for yourself

the nail bomber was a BNP member.

Yes if i remember he was, if i remember rightly he left because the BNP was to soft for his liking. Iam not a fan of wiki but its the best i could find en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland

You seem to know a lot about them - first you say you would have "absolutely no qualms" about voting for them, now you seem to know about their membership figures.

No i wouldn't have any quarms about voting for them if they had policies that i thought were the best for my country. Couldn't give a toss if they are racist, aliens or anything else.

Do you think we've never had "virtual ghettos" or "no go areas" before?

Not for whites no.

"Forced" in what way?

Don't know about you bud but i didn't have any say in it and when anyone complain about it they are just called a racist which is what labour did to stop other parties complaining about their immigration policies.

Its set to get better soon with the up and coming equality bill, get online and take a look
;-)

Your understanding of societal evolution is non existent, people didnt evolve to reject other cultures, people evolved, full stop. Dont try to bluff!

Well done einstein for noticing that, but while people in general haven't evolved to hate other races (but i wouldn't say africans have had a great time through history have they?) they have most certainly evolved to love their own and desire to be around their own. So they do reject other cultures and races because they wish to stay amongst each other but of course thats racist isn't it.

Racism is inhuman because it directly targets humans.

Thats an interesting theory, taxes directly target humans, are they inhumane aswell?

racism is thrown about insults

You only have to mention something about immigrants or another races that isn't supportive and you are automatically branded a racist.

Freely supporting savage logic sets you apart from who exactly?

Yes i choose to be savage like australia, canada and new zealand. But as your such a generous person why not spare some money so i can bring up an extra 2 kids, what do you mean no. I dont care if i haven't put enough into the system and you and your family will suffer for it through higher taxes you have to do it. Not so attractive is it now??

I have seen the BNP destroy British people, turning national pride in to xenophobia, freedom of speech into Incitement to racial hatred.

But i thought people are so affraid of the BNP and don't believe anything they say so why are you worried about them changing peoples minds. Incitement to racial hatred is such a sh** law it really is, its just designed to stop anyone from any race saying anything bad towards another. But as we love each other so much i cant understand why there has to be a national law to stop that from happening.

You really should put your 'brain' in gear before engaging your mouth. People seeking asylum are not allowed by law to work, even as voulnteers.

Well in reality 99.9% of all asylum seekers (succesfull or not) are illegal as they haven't followed the UN charter that states they must claim asylum in the first safe country they enter.

Maybe you should take some of your advice jonni and put your brain into gear.
BritishEmpire   
11 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

I think they have some excellent policies but as of late they have had alot of crisis in the party with the expenses scandal and numerous members leaving, great ideas but i get the feeling they just don't have the will to carry them through.

Originally they were setup as a pressure group to get the tories to pull us out of europe, which makes me wonder how serious they are about what they say, i've still voted for them a few times in the past though and i would say their on my list as a choice for the next general election.
BritishEmpire   
12 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

Who?

You know full well who they are, you dont forget that easily.

You seem to know his name which is more than most. What do you think of Mark Collett, an ex-neighbour of mine? Or Martin Webster, Nick Griffin's ex-lover? Interesting people.

I only know his name because i put london nail bomber into google, not an exact science :)
Mark collett, i think hes expected to be the next leader and iam quite sure hes your ex neighbour considering you have lived everywhere ;-). Martin webster i know nothing about but all i could find on him was that he claimed to have had a relationship with nick griffin, not quite enough to make it true though is it.

Says it all really. Come on, admit it, you want them to do well.

I would like to see them do well , like wise for UKIP as its all pressure on the larger parties to change their immigration policies. And for that reason only so don't spout anti-fash crud as iam not interested.

You didn't have a vote in the last election? Why not? The usual reasons are being under 18, in jail or insane.

Your damn right i voted, strange though how i dont remember any party saying they were going to flood the UK with immigrants. The only two parties that had a policy to reduce immigration was UKIP and BNP.

Why do you think only 0.1% have come direct to the UK? Some sources please, not just racist hearsay.

Well the few that i would consider legal asylum applicants would be those that arrived by sea or air which would be very few as those are expensive ways to travel. The fact is we have numerous people waiting across the channel wanting to come in after they have crossed up to ten safe countries, they are breaking international law but the government doesn't care because its another cheap worker to add to the books.

And you didn't answer the question, relating to this thread (and forum). What is the BNP's policy on Polish migrants to the UK?

Now youv'e got me, we i suppose if they pulled the UK out of the EU then its very likely polish migrants are going to have a hard time getting into the country.

To be honest when i read the immigration policy there was nothing specifically for polish migrants.

Do you think it is unrealistic for the U.K. to leave or you just think they will not leave the E.U. if they get power?
I thought that was UKIP's main objective same with the BNP.

I think that its easier to trust the BNP on the matter thats all, UKIP isn't very old and i get the impression that they don't have the will to completely pull us out of the EU.

Although i will give them credit for giving the EU s*** when they stand up and speak :D

This forum is in English

Whats that got to do with the price of bread? and if you hadn't noticed i have been typing in english.

You really are delicate......seriously......you are that sensitive?

There you go with your scissors again snipping away at my words, serial killer alert!

Thick as Champ...

Take it you don't like it when your smart mouth can't find an answer.

Consistency is a good place to start.
Form an argument, please form an argument.........

Eyes are a good place to start, i suggest you get a better pair so you can read "reject" and "hate" so you can understand the difference of meaning between the two.

So wheres your argument gone now then??

Incitement to racial hatred is an attack on people, it is the law's job to protect the people.

Problem is sean its kind of been hijacked, once again i hate to have to use wiki but its good enough.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement_to_ethnic_or_racial_hatred
inflammatory rumours about an individual i mean come on what sort of an offence is that, a good example is that christian couple that went on trial for criticising islam in the presence of that muslim women. If it wasn't for the large protests and support they would have been sent down for it. Bloody ridiculous!

Just as a final closing point, i know how you feel whatnext. I live in the neighbouring county and its a story ive heard many times but the truth behind it all is the government and big business are hand in hand when it comes to the matter, they only care about profit and taxes and the agencies are just jumping on the band wagon.

The fact is you can't compete against people that are prepared to share a house with 5-6 other people and have no knowledge about working rights or complaints about pay when they are getting 5 times as much as they would back home.

The best of luck for the both of you as you deserve better, i wish there was something more i could do for the pair of you.
BritishEmpire   
15 Feb 2010
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You will get an opinion when you post something that demonstrates a reasoned thought process.

I was referring to your attempt to slate me, as i noted you were the one that didn't take note of the words i used so you your question for me to form an argument is unnecessary because of your lack of attention.

minimum wage for 3 years in a factory in Walsall when you have a degree?

I've seen many british people in the same position, the reality is there isn't and hasn't been enough work for people graduating from university.

Why make a fuss about unskilled jobs

Because the majority of the workforce does such work.

That's the same in any job. Whos job is rock solid safe these days.

Well said!

I've known of many cases where the job simply can't wait and they cannot resume their post thereafter. Then you're placed somewhere down the pecking order again. It is irresponsible to have many kids, I agree, but it's a reality for the state to address.

The company has to keep your job open, its required by law. As to delph complaining about people having large families the truth is that the UK birth rate has been declining and its only just starting to bounce back .

statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?ID=951

heres proof of it and iam sure it would be much lower if it wasn't for the high birth rates amongst certain parts of the immigrant population.
BritishEmpire   
17 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

Time to limit foreign students too me thinks why should we educated foreigners and leave our own out in the cold let them study in their own countries!

They have to pay full price and they most likely have a rich mummy and daddy that can give them spending money.

The company has to keep your job open? Prove it, please.

Check working law the UK government has a website and trust me i know, i happen to have a child. Just to back it up look at the top of the page its all there, direct.gov.uk/en/Parents/Moneyandworkentitlements/WorkAndFamilies/Pregnancyandmaternityrights/DG_065153

You mentioned Evolution and attempted to use it as a reason to oppose migration then softened your stance suggesting that migration could be on an ad hoc basis ie "phone the agency".

First i said humans have evolved to reject other culture, if they hadn't we wouldn't have different nations and different faiths. There is a difference between rejecting others and hating them as you were implying i meant the same.

Moving on to overseas jobs, no one would expect them to make a permanent move for a temp job but a temp move for a temp job is very normal, why not do a bit of digging and look at all the countries in the world that allow you to work under a permit system and require you to return home after the permit expires.

So onto your point about birth rates, the population falling in the UK is a good thing, the island is over crowded and if left unchecked will soon suffer in so many ways. This has already been pointed out by many experts and covered by many papers, for example timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/art icle6898174.ece . We don't need immigrants to top that up, this myth that has been spread by the government that we need immigration to look after an ageing population is a load of bulls*** which the pro immi folks like yourself lap up with out question. Lets see if this point hits home for all of you out there that think immigration will solve our issues with an ageing population, who is going to look after the immigrants when they get old????????? its a never ending cycle.
BritishEmpire   
18 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Brits to protest against foreigners in the workforce, including Poles. [289]

Consider the Neanderthal:) they became extinct because they didn't interact

There is much evidence to suggest the opposite.

The exchange of ideas, trade and so on are essential for the development of societies that means migration.

Indeed the exchange of ideas e.t.c is important, although its new to me that migration goes hand in hand. I cant remember the rest of the world getting for instance the jet engine and having to have 2 million brits as part of the bargain.

Monies earned will simply leave the country thus the migrant model you propose will not benefit the country. What you need is the spending power to stay and that means people stay.

Quite the opposite, jersey and guernsey are a good example of this as its very hard to settle and as such the amount of people that pay tax and NI but dont claim anything against the state is very high because they have gone home before they can claim it.

The declining population (without migration) is the wrong kind unless you want a nation of poor pensioners.

There already exists such a situation, its not uncommon for pensioners to die during winter because they cant afford enough heating. Even so instead of swerving the question would you like to tell me what we should do about the immigrants when they grow old?.

Your linked article is an exercise in spiteful, conspiracy nonsense.

I like it when people try dismiss something as wrong when it is fact, it shows just how ignorant some people are to the truth and how there attitudes and beliefs tell them what to believe. If you had taken a moment to maybe look for another source of the same story then you would have found many. Why not try everyones favorite place for info

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_multiculturalism#United_Kingdom
select UK and have a read ;-)

Are you against migration in both directions?

I believe that if someone wants to migrate from the UK they should first of all be welcome by the majority and be able to offer something to the host country (skills) and they should not just dump themselves on another country because they can.

I dont see how this plan to eradicate the working class can be achieved.

You have to be a lefty with comments like that, only with communism can you get to a point where people are of the same class.
BritishEmpire   
25 Feb 2010
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Socialist

Well last time the world logged on and checked that would have meant you were left wing.
Hence the reason why you jump on anything labour, pro immigrant or anti-british.
Sad really because if you ask me if you don't like british people then you should do like the rest and frigg off because we won't change for you.

You know barn i would bother to argue with you if my mental age had stalled at about 10 which would leave me in a situation that is similar to yours.

As for the rest of your rubbish, if you had bothered looking instead of letting your lefty ideas make your mind up for you then you wouldn't have missed what most people didn't.

So you just keep telling yourself everyone thinks like you, maybe even one day you will believe that.
BritishEmpire   
25 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Well, perhaps since they became involved in UK political parties like Labour/Conservatives, perhaps since they got seats in The Lords, perhaps when they embraced the educational system (more than a couple in Glasgow Uni) or since they opened up corner shops and worked hard (didn't Napoleon refer to Britain as a 'Nation of Shopkeepers'?)

Does bombing tube trains and buses count as being british aswell?.

Poland did well with intercepts and code cracking.

Don't get carried away seanus, poland only intercepted an early version of the enigma that was withdrawn at the outbreak of war, the later versions of enigma code required what are considered to be the first computers to break their codes.

What churchill did was to ensure that britain survived, for that i will take my hat off.
Whether polish people like that or not the reality is that poland was defeated and even with the benefit of hindsight this would have always been the outcome.