Gregrog
19 Jul 2009
News / Are Polish People Being Discriminated Against? Problems getting a US visa. [258]
Do you know US Civil War? :)
The American will ultimately not kill itself
Do you know US Civil War? :)
Gregrog
19 Feb 2010
Life / Why Poles are so crazy about their country? [55]
"Amor patriae nostra lex" as say motto of Winged Hussars:)
"Amor patriae nostra lex" as say motto of Winged Hussars:)
Gregrog
11 Mar 2010
History / Polish armored trains form I and II World War [32]
"The northern assault was carried out quickly. Under the cover of heavy fire, the German tanks, which made up of a mixture of Panzer I and Panzer II type-tanks, managed to break into the forest and secured a road leading across the railway line to the village of Izbiska Duże, to the north of the Polish headquarters. At 1030 the Polish 4th squadron of the 19th Regiment was attacked from behind and pushed out of the forest. This threatened the Poles with separation of 19th and 21st Regiments. Colonel Filipowicz ordered the 19th Regiment to withdraw to the other side of the railway, but the way was already occupied by German tanks and the unit was effectively surrounded. However, the Polish defence was reinforced by the arrival of the Armoured train No. 53, known as Smialy, which arrived to the battlefield in the very moment the German tanks were crossing the railway line. It stopped in the middle of the German column and opened fire with both of its 75mm guns and its heavy machine guns. The German column was dispersed and retreated with heavy losses, losing a number of Panzer I, II, and III tanks destroyed or knocked out, while the 19th Regiment crossed the rail road under cover of the armoured train. Although it suffered heavy losses, it managed to regroup on the other side.
Simultaneously, an attack on the main positions of the 21st Regiment near the village of Mokra was started. German tanks managed to outflank the 4th squadron of the Regiment from the north, at the same time attacking it frontally. In the result, the Polish defenders were pushed out of the forest and heavy fights for the village itself started. The Germans lost four tanks to the Polish 2nd Artillery Battalion firing from across the rail road, but the 4th battalion was in retreat, fighting for almost every house in the village and suffering heavy losses. Again the day was saved by Smialy (Armoured train No. 53). It arrived to the area just on time and opened fire from the distance of almost 2.5 km, which was beyond the effective range of all contemporary German tank guns of the time, destroying or knocking out more Panzer I and II type-tanks. Also, the 12th Uhlans Regiment was moved to the area to reinforce the 21st."
Battle of Mokra
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mokra
"The northern assault was carried out quickly. Under the cover of heavy fire, the German tanks, which made up of a mixture of Panzer I and Panzer II type-tanks, managed to break into the forest and secured a road leading across the railway line to the village of Izbiska Duże, to the north of the Polish headquarters. At 1030 the Polish 4th squadron of the 19th Regiment was attacked from behind and pushed out of the forest. This threatened the Poles with separation of 19th and 21st Regiments. Colonel Filipowicz ordered the 19th Regiment to withdraw to the other side of the railway, but the way was already occupied by German tanks and the unit was effectively surrounded. However, the Polish defence was reinforced by the arrival of the Armoured train No. 53, known as Smialy, which arrived to the battlefield in the very moment the German tanks were crossing the railway line. It stopped in the middle of the German column and opened fire with both of its 75mm guns and its heavy machine guns. The German column was dispersed and retreated with heavy losses, losing a number of Panzer I, II, and III tanks destroyed or knocked out, while the 19th Regiment crossed the rail road under cover of the armoured train. Although it suffered heavy losses, it managed to regroup on the other side.
Simultaneously, an attack on the main positions of the 21st Regiment near the village of Mokra was started. German tanks managed to outflank the 4th squadron of the Regiment from the north, at the same time attacking it frontally. In the result, the Polish defenders were pushed out of the forest and heavy fights for the village itself started. The Germans lost four tanks to the Polish 2nd Artillery Battalion firing from across the rail road, but the 4th battalion was in retreat, fighting for almost every house in the village and suffering heavy losses. Again the day was saved by Smialy (Armoured train No. 53). It arrived to the area just on time and opened fire from the distance of almost 2.5 km, which was beyond the effective range of all contemporary German tank guns of the time, destroying or knocking out more Panzer I and II type-tanks. Also, the 12th Uhlans Regiment was moved to the area to reinforce the 21st."
Battle of Mokra
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mokra
Gregrog
12 Mar 2010
History / Polish armored trains form I and II World War [32]
Air attack seems to be good way of destroying trains. But it wasn't as high effective as you think. During September Campaign only one ar-train was damaged by plane by direct hit of bomb. After destroying or damaging guns and other stuff, the crew abandoned vehicle. Most of trains was abandoned by their crews during that campaign.
Many people think that it was easy to immobilise ar-train by destroying rail road. It's not true, mainly because this trains had special carriage with elements of the track and some crew was engineers who was able to fix damages of the track.
Main problem of Polish armoured trains during last war was small fire power of anti-air defence. The had only 2 machine guns, while trains of other countries was much better equipped with such a weapon.
Ar-trains were used mostly as highly mobile heavy artillery. The were much faster than others means of transport. Ability of direct fire made them deadly enemy for tanks(as was under Mokra).
I find this:
The only one regular armoured train destroyed by Luftwaffe during September Campaign was train No.13 Generał Sosnkowski.
No.13 General Sosnkowski
Air attack seems to be good way of destroying trains. But it wasn't as high effective as you think. During September Campaign only one ar-train was damaged by plane by direct hit of bomb. After destroying or damaging guns and other stuff, the crew abandoned vehicle. Most of trains was abandoned by their crews during that campaign.
Many people think that it was easy to immobilise ar-train by destroying rail road. It's not true, mainly because this trains had special carriage with elements of the track and some crew was engineers who was able to fix damages of the track.
Main problem of Polish armoured trains during last war was small fire power of anti-air defence. The had only 2 machine guns, while trains of other countries was much better equipped with such a weapon.
Ar-trains were used mostly as highly mobile heavy artillery. The were much faster than others means of transport. Ability of direct fire made them deadly enemy for tanks(as was under Mokra).
I find this:
The only one regular armoured train destroyed by Luftwaffe during September Campaign was train No.13 Generał Sosnkowski.
No.13 General Sosnkowski
Gregrog
12 Mar 2010
History / Polish armored trains form I and II World War [32]
Yea, but firstly you have to dig a little hole - in situation when ar-train is coming fast it's quite impossible. Everyone near the track is very visible. If German infantryman wanted to stop train they had to know that ar-train is coming to them and that it is far enough. The needed time and element of surprise is very problematic during wartime.
They damaged track - with so thin shell it wouldn't do much. Then, the crew tries to fix it. If Germans want to stop if for a longer, then they have to encounter with this great fire power of train. I don't think the would stand it. Of course, if the danger would be too big, at-train would turn back easily.
Such a situation can happen, but the ar-trains wasn't used as assault weapon mostly. Most of their actions were in defence. When they were in assault they were as infantry support.
Yea, but firstly you have to dig a little hole - in situation when ar-train is coming fast it's quite impossible. Everyone near the track is very visible. If German infantryman wanted to stop train they had to know that ar-train is coming to them and that it is far enough. The needed time and element of surprise is very problematic during wartime.
They damaged track - with so thin shell it wouldn't do much. Then, the crew tries to fix it. If Germans want to stop if for a longer, then they have to encounter with this great fire power of train. I don't think the would stand it. Of course, if the danger would be too big, at-train would turn back easily.
Such a situation can happen, but the ar-trains wasn't used as assault weapon mostly. Most of their actions were in defence. When they were in assault they were as infantry support.
Gregrog
12 Mar 2010
History / Polish armored trains form I and II World War [32]
Not in September Campaign.
but in Poland the air forces wasn't so deadly for them.
It's not so easy to sabotage something which can fix damages easily:)
Their use was discontinued because modern road vehicles became much more powerful and offered more flexibility
Not in September Campaign.
well as attacks from the air.
but in Poland the air forces wasn't so deadly for them.
were too vulnerable to track sabotage
It's not so easy to sabotage something which can fix damages easily:)
Gregrog
14 Mar 2010
Gregrog
18 Mar 2010
Gregrog
19 Mar 2010
History / Google Earth WWII aerial images [5]
Yes, this is Royal Castle.
Here's the most known building in post-war Warsaw - PKWiN and how it looks like.
1st shoot - 1935
2nd shoot - 1945
3rd shoot - 2008
Click to zoom in.
Yes, this is Royal Castle.
Here's the most known building in post-war Warsaw - PKWiN and how it looks like.
1st shoot - 1935
2nd shoot - 1945
3rd shoot - 2008
Click to zoom in.
Gregrog
9 Apr 2010
Life / Are Polish ppl capable of revolting? [41]
You're wrong here. However commies forces weren't strong enough to make any bigger action against AK or other underground organizations, but they are responsible for some murders etc. One of many reasons for starting Warsaw Uprising was to be "first liberators of capitol" before commies.
Poland paradoxiaclly had no communist guerillas in WW2 fighting against nationalist guerillas as it was common in Balkans.
You're wrong here. However commies forces weren't strong enough to make any bigger action against AK or other underground organizations, but they are responsible for some murders etc. One of many reasons for starting Warsaw Uprising was to be "first liberators of capitol" before commies.
Gregrog
5 May 2010
History / To Understand Poland 39-89 (L.U.C - TRIBUTE TO STEFAN STARZYŃSKI) [17]
...
Here's the polish view of history. Quite heavy and psychedelic but, according to me, it's just great.
The move is allegoric defend of Warsaw in September 1939. Voice is originally recorder speeches of Stefan Starzyński, president of Warsaw, killed by Germans.
What's your opinion?
watch on youtube for english subtitles
...
Here's the polish view of history. Quite heavy and psychedelic but, according to me, it's just great.
The move is allegoric defend of Warsaw in September 1939. Voice is originally recorder speeches of Stefan Starzyński, president of Warsaw, killed by Germans.
What's your opinion?
watch on youtube for english subtitles
Gregrog
5 May 2010
History / To Understand Poland 39-89 (L.U.C - TRIBUTE TO STEFAN STARZYŃSKI) [17]
Not Polish history at all, but WWII part(as it is written "39-89").
If you don't see what is presented, I can't help you.
2 devils vs Poles
Not Polish history at all, but WWII part(as it is written "39-89").
If you don't see what is presented, I can't help you.
2 devils vs Poles
Gregrog
12 Oct 2010
Life / Why so many soldiers walking on Polish streets? [17]
If you are living near some military base it's normal view for all the time. There's nothing to be afraid of.
If you are living near some military base it's normal view for all the time. There's nothing to be afraid of.
Gregrog
16 Oct 2010
History / Star shaped symbol on Polish Eagle? [22]
"The official image of the eagle emblem reminiscent of Stanislaw Poniatowski, and was used until 1927, when the new version was designed by Zygmunt Kaminski. Rejected the traditional form, replacing it with a new (lower-heraldic tradition), among others cross with the crown removed, added two five-pointed stars"
translated via google
But here's nothing about meaning of this stars.
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%C5%82o_Rzeczypospolitej_Polskiej
Oficjalny wizerunek godła przypominał orła Stanisława Poniatowskiego i był używany do 1927, kiedy powstała nowa wersja wg projektu Zygmunta Kamińskiego. Odrzucono tradycyjną formę, zastępując ją nową (niżej- Tradycja heraldyczna), m.in. usunięto krzyż z korony, dodano dwie pięcioramienne gwiazdki
"The official image of the eagle emblem reminiscent of Stanislaw Poniatowski, and was used until 1927, when the new version was designed by Zygmunt Kaminski. Rejected the traditional form, replacing it with a new (lower-heraldic tradition), among others cross with the crown removed, added two five-pointed stars"
translated via google
But here's nothing about meaning of this stars.
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%C5%82o_Rzeczypospolitej_Polskiej
Gregrog
16 Oct 2010
History / Star shaped symbol on Polish Eagle? [22]
So do I.
My feeling is that there isn't any specific meaning - and it's just a design thing.
So do I.
Gregrog
25 Jan 2011
History / Poland obliged to make war reparations to Austria and Germany after WWI. Why? [119]
This damages didn't disappeared by miracle. After the war and regaining independence, Poland had to deal with it and it was our problem, as our houses were burned.
This destruction was aimed at Poles as citizens of Prussia, Russia and Germany.
Problem is there hadn't been devastations in Poland. The devastations had been in Prussia, Russia and Austria.
This damages didn't disappeared by miracle. After the war and regaining independence, Poland had to deal with it and it was our problem, as our houses were burned.
This destruction was aimed at Poles as citizens of Prussia, Russia and Germany.
Gregrog
13 Feb 2011
USA, Canada / Going back to the Old Country of Poland after more than 25 years! (from USA) [249]
Nevertheless reading about your comments about changes in Poland would be very interesting:)
I'm afraid I haven't expressed myself well here. For this I sincerely apologize.
Nevertheless reading about your comments about changes in Poland would be very interesting:)
Gregrog
17 Feb 2011
Life / How is Sienkiewicz's Trilogy perceived in today's Poland? [12]
Yes it is. In primary school "With fire and sword", High School - "Deluge". The last part isn't required("Mr Wolodyjowski?").
To be honest I don't see much connection to Homers Iliad. Of course Iliad and Odysey is taught in Polish school, but not as a whole, but as parts.
Trilogy tells about Szlachta/nobility so we have many different people there. Zagłoba is one of them, and he is the most "brightest" one. In my opinion Zagłoba is one of the funniest part ot this book. He was drunk "warchoł" and coward, but he was also great patriot, he has never betrayed Poland and friends.
Not existance? I don't even remember what you are talking about.
I ahve no idea what you are talking about. I need to see it in Trylogia...
Nothing. It's just part of plot not related to present day. Armenians wasn't Poles, so it's hard to consider as treason.
In present day Poland Trygoly doesn't affect so much as it used to affect 100 years ago. It's just a book. It was much more important during partitions. When Sienkiewicz finished Trylogy, and when Wołodyjowski died, some lady pay for mass for his soul.
This long Polish names was normal in described times. For example, imć Skrzetuski was real man, who escaped from Zbaraż and informed King about situation. Sienkiewicz gave Skrzetuski other name than it was in reality because he had wrong sources. However that is the fact. Most of characters in Trylogy was real humans, mostly aristocrats. Only the most important characters are invented by Sienkiewicz.
So you are talking about this. Hmm it was beetwen Rzędzian, Zagłoba and Wołodyjowski?
Maybe it was in times of Sienkiewicz, or maybe he had some sources about how it was seen in times of Trylogy, but now there's no such a folklore... or I have never heard about it.
Is the Trilogy required reading in Polish public schools?
Yes it is. In primary school "With fire and sword", High School - "Deluge". The last part isn't required("Mr Wolodyjowski?").
It seems fairly obvious that Sienkiewicz used Homer's Iliad as a model for the Trilogy, are the two epics ever taught in conjunction in Polish schools?
To be honest I don't see much connection to Homers Iliad. Of course Iliad and Odysey is taught in Polish school, but not as a whole, but as parts.
How is Sienkiewicz's satire of the Szlachta's Sarmatian pretensions by having Pan Zagloba claim descent from the Massagetai seen in todays Poland (if it's noticed at all)?
Trilogy tells about Szlachta/nobility so we have many different people there. Zagłoba is one of them, and he is the most "brightest" one. In my opinion Zagłoba is one of the funniest part ot this book. He was drunk "warchoł" and coward, but he was also great patriot, he has never betrayed Poland and friends.
How are Sienkiewicz's depictions of Ruthenian women as witches that love to flash their white teeth seen in today's Poland?
Not existance? I don't even remember what you are talking about.
Is the legend Sienkiewicz relates about vampires appearing as toddlers with green glowing eyes by the side of lonely roads from actual Polish folklore or is it Sienkiewicz's own invention?
I ahve no idea what you are talking about. I need to see it in Trylogia...
What do Poles today make of Sienkiewicz's blaming Armenian merchants for the surrender of the city in the last book?
Nothing. It's just part of plot not related to present day. Armenians wasn't Poles, so it's hard to consider as treason.
Is Pan Wolodyjowski seen as a role model for the Poles of today as Achilles had been for the Hellenic Greeks?
In present day Poland Trygoly doesn't affect so much as it used to affect 100 years ago. It's just a book. It was much more important during partitions. When Sienkiewicz finished Trylogy, and when Wołodyjowski died, some lady pay for mass for his soul.
I will say that the thing that was noticeable was his use of long Polish names in most of his characters. That must have been intentional.
This long Polish names was normal in described times. For example, imć Skrzetuski was real man, who escaped from Zbaraż and informed King about situation. Sienkiewicz gave Skrzetuski other name than it was in reality because he had wrong sources. However that is the fact. Most of characters in Trylogy was real humans, mostly aristocrats. Only the most important characters are invented by Sienkiewicz.
It is in the part of the first book where the heroes have gone to rescue Pan Michael's fiancée from the hideout Bohun had placed her in and they talk about these bizarre infantile vampires as well as monsters that are human heads with spider's legs.
So you are talking about this. Hmm it was beetwen Rzędzian, Zagłoba and Wołodyjowski?
Maybe it was in times of Sienkiewicz, or maybe he had some sources about how it was seen in times of Trylogy, but now there's no such a folklore... or I have never heard about it.
Gregrog
17 Mar 2011
Language / Polish nationality insults in Polish? [67]
When I say "Sajgon" I'm talking about total mess, chaos , out of any kind of control. I think it comes from Vietnam war and it's "chaos".
When I say "Sajgon" I'm talking about total mess, chaos , out of any kind of control. I think it comes from Vietnam war and it's "chaos".
Gregrog
3 Apr 2011
Life / Polish patriotism, what does it mean to you? [46]
Only is wrog word here. Compering to other countries in PL was far more nobles.
Perhaps only 10-12% of Poland's population at a given time were registered blue-bloods
Only is wrog word here. Compering to other countries in PL was far more nobles.
Gregrog
20 Apr 2011
News / The best Poland ever? [125]
No, Poland had it's Golden Age and what's we have now is not even comperable to XVI century.
No, Poland had it's Golden Age and what's we have now is not even comperable to XVI century.
Gregrog
20 Apr 2011
News / The best Poland ever? [125]
You can't compare XVI century Poland to XXI. You can compare XVI Poland, France etc. Comparison of XVI is far more better for Poland then the XXI one. There's even no need to explain why:)
According to Sikorski's words. Yes, during his life he haven't seen better Poland:)
Mortality rates, health services, No pensions, distribution of wealth, no internet...oh my Goud! no Polish Forums ;)
You can't compare XVI century Poland to XXI. You can compare XVI Poland, France etc. Comparison of XVI is far more better for Poland then the XXI one. There's even no need to explain why:)
According to Sikorski's words. Yes, during his life he haven't seen better Poland:)
Gregrog
20 Apr 2011
News / The best Poland ever? [125]
Maybe I haven't been understood. Polish Golden Age was in XVI century. In this age Poland(Commonwealth of Both Nations to be exact) was in far better situation (in relation to XVI) then today in relation to present times.
So my words - It is not the best Poland ever. This is the best Poland from 1939 till now.
Hey man, stay on one side of an argument would you? ;)
Maybe I haven't been understood. Polish Golden Age was in XVI century. In this age Poland(Commonwealth of Both Nations to be exact) was in far better situation (in relation to XVI) then today in relation to present times.
So my words - It is not the best Poland ever. This is the best Poland from 1939 till now.
Gregrog
26 Apr 2011
History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]
During last visit of Lech Kaczyński in Vilnius Lithuanian parliament voted against the law that allow Poles to write their names in Polish. So there is not difference between then and now. Only general politics changed - Kaczyński's policy of strong Central Europe vs Tusk's policy of good relationship with Germany and Russia. Loss for Lithuania.
There are many problems between our countries:
- writing of Polish names(which was regulated by both-side agreement soon after regaining independence from SU)
- Możejki oil refinery(pipeline shut down by Russians and forbidden transport of oil via railway by Lithuanian government)
- receiving back properties lost by Poles in Lithuania during WW2
- the newest problem of education reform which hardly threaten Polish schools
- antiPolonism within government, parliament and society of Lithuania
- Lithuania doesn't fulfilled minority law for Poles which are guaranteed by EU laws.
To sum in up - relations between Poland and Lithuania is one of the worst in whole Europe. Which is funny and sad at the same time. We are both in NATO and EU.
When I read forums, comments under articles related to PL and Lithuania there are always Lithuanians who are moaning that their country is smaller, that we pressure them in their internal issues or that we are treat for them.
These picture I get from Polish and English sources.
I want to warn you - most people who will write here won't be Poles. This is forum of foreigners writing about Poland. Poles are minority here ;)
The second interesting thing is the recent president shift in Poland.
During last visit of Lech Kaczyński in Vilnius Lithuanian parliament voted against the law that allow Poles to write their names in Polish. So there is not difference between then and now. Only general politics changed - Kaczyński's policy of strong Central Europe vs Tusk's policy of good relationship with Germany and Russia. Loss for Lithuania.
There are many problems between our countries:
- writing of Polish names(which was regulated by both-side agreement soon after regaining independence from SU)
- Możejki oil refinery(pipeline shut down by Russians and forbidden transport of oil via railway by Lithuanian government)
- receiving back properties lost by Poles in Lithuania during WW2
- the newest problem of education reform which hardly threaten Polish schools
- antiPolonism within government, parliament and society of Lithuania
- Lithuania doesn't fulfilled minority law for Poles which are guaranteed by EU laws.
To sum in up - relations between Poland and Lithuania is one of the worst in whole Europe. Which is funny and sad at the same time. We are both in NATO and EU.
When I read forums, comments under articles related to PL and Lithuania there are always Lithuanians who are moaning that their country is smaller, that we pressure them in their internal issues or that we are treat for them.
These picture I get from Polish and English sources.
I want to warn you - most people who will write here won't be Poles. This is forum of foreigners writing about Poland. Poles are minority here ;)
Gregrog
29 Apr 2011
History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]
Jurgis - here you have long article about relations between our countries - history background, constitution base, denationalisation, administration, education, citizenship and relations of both countries. Sadly it is in Polish, so you have to use google translator or something similar.
Obeying laws of polish minority in Republic of Lithuania
stosunki-miedzynarodowe.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=903%3Aprzestrzeganie-praw-polskiej-grupy-etnicznej-w-republice-litewskiej&catid=84%3Apolityka-zagraniczna&Itemid=114
Jurgis - here you have long article about relations between our countries - history background, constitution base, denationalisation, administration, education, citizenship and relations of both countries. Sadly it is in Polish, so you have to use google translator or something similar.
Obeying laws of polish minority in Republic of Lithuania
stosunki-miedzynarodowe.pl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=903%3Aprzestrzeganie-praw-polskiej-grupy-etnicznej-w-republice-litewskiej&catid=84%3Apolityka-zagraniczna&Itemid=114
Gregrog
30 Apr 2011
History / The Piast dynasty did most for Poland [24]
When we consider that this 33,000 was in the Crown, and 7,000 in Lithuania and after union there was 40,000 for both countries we have weakening of Crown - Lithuania was far bigger then Crown so some of this 33,000 had to protect Lithuanian borders.
Even if 7,000 out of 40,000 - it is a significant force
When we consider that this 33,000 was in the Crown, and 7,000 in Lithuania and after union there was 40,000 for both countries we have weakening of Crown - Lithuania was far bigger then Crown so some of this 33,000 had to protect Lithuanian borders.
Gregrog
30 Apr 2011
History / The Piast dynasty did most for Poland [24]
You tried to say that it was improvement of military power of Crown - I correct you that it was not because of reasons you wrote:)
You tried to say that it was improvement of military power of Crown - I correct you that it was not because of reasons you wrote:)
Gregrog
30 Apr 2011
History / The Piast dynasty did most for Poland [24]
Crown was smaller then Lithuania. I don't know exact numbers of land so just example:
33,000 soldiers defending 100,000 km square in the Crown gives 33 soldiers /100 km square.
After union we have for example additional 150,000 km sqr which gives 250,000 km sqr.
So right now we have 40 soldiers / 250 km square = 16 soldiers / 100 km sqr.
Force dispersal.
Lithuania was under threat of Teutons which resulted union. Despite that - Crown was Catholic, Lithuania not. Teutons were crusaders carrying Christianity(in theory, everybody know the real goals:) ).
Crown was smaller then Lithuania. I don't know exact numbers of land so just example:
33,000 soldiers defending 100,000 km square in the Crown gives 33 soldiers /100 km square.
After union we have for example additional 150,000 km sqr which gives 250,000 km sqr.
So right now we have 40 soldiers / 250 km square = 16 soldiers / 100 km sqr.
Force dispersal.
Lithuanians should have sided with the Teutons. Would Poland be defeated then?
Lithuania was under threat of Teutons which resulted union. Despite that - Crown was Catholic, Lithuania not. Teutons were crusaders carrying Christianity(in theory, everybody know the real goals:) ).
Gregrog
2 May 2011
History / Poland Lithuania - current relations [124]
Really? Fifth language? My friends, who many times went to Ukraine to buy fuel, cigarettes and other cheaper stuff had to know one thing to connect with Ukrainians - "tradycju znajuł? 20 hrywien" - "know the tradition? 20 hrywna" which they had to pay to every policeman they met. I wonder what will happen during Euro 2012 when half of Europe will go there - do they will have to know Ukrainian?
Oh Nathan - you will be so pissed off :)
Tell me please why when somebody know 4 languages, the 5th had to Ukrainian? Is this obligatory?
You see, I'm also glad of current borders, but when I hear that in other countries Poles are treat like that I can't sit and feel that everything is fine. When somebody will call me to attack other country to reclaim land that was lost 70 years ago I will call him a foul, and If he would force that I would opposite him hard.
You are referring to one guy, one opinion - as many Poles as many opinions:) He only forgot that there live Poles too.
Problem is that Poles sees history differently to Lithuania's. For Poles Commonwealth was a great success, for them it was destruction of Lithuania. It's too big differences.
Comment about nationalism is a bullshit:)
Coming to Mickiewicz - tell me please why Belarusians would like to call him someone important to them? Had he done something important to this country? Same to Lithuania. Is this one line of text enough? "Litwo, ojczyzno moja" - same as
"Podkarpacie, ojczyzno moja"
"Pszczyna, wiosko moja"
It is reference to region, land, which used to be part of commonwealth. He was a Pole, wrote in Polish so what he has common with present day Lithuania? Sorry, no way:)
I hate dumb tourists from Poland. If you are dumb, why travel? Stay at home and learn your fifth language. Lithuanians seem to have more patience than I do.
Really? Fifth language? My friends, who many times went to Ukraine to buy fuel, cigarettes and other cheaper stuff had to know one thing to connect with Ukrainians - "tradycju znajuł? 20 hrywien" - "know the tradition? 20 hrywna" which they had to pay to every policeman they met. I wonder what will happen during Euro 2012 when half of Europe will go there - do they will have to know Ukrainian?
Oh Nathan - you will be so pissed off :)
Tell me please why when somebody know 4 languages, the 5th had to Ukrainian? Is this obligatory?
He is happy with the current borders of Poland
You see, I'm also glad of current borders, but when I hear that in other countries Poles are treat like that I can't sit and feel that everything is fine. When somebody will call me to attack other country to reclaim land that was lost 70 years ago I will call him a foul, and If he would force that I would opposite him hard.
You are referring to one guy, one opinion - as many Poles as many opinions:) He only forgot that there live Poles too.
Also, Mickiewicz was born in what is now Belarus and also strongly identified with Lithuania where he spent a very long time.
Problem is that Poles sees history differently to Lithuania's. For Poles Commonwealth was a great success, for them it was destruction of Lithuania. It's too big differences.
Comment about nationalism is a bullshit:)
Coming to Mickiewicz - tell me please why Belarusians would like to call him someone important to them? Had he done something important to this country? Same to Lithuania. Is this one line of text enough? "Litwo, ojczyzno moja" - same as
"Podkarpacie, ojczyzno moja"
"Pszczyna, wiosko moja"
It is reference to region, land, which used to be part of commonwealth. He was a Pole, wrote in Polish so what he has common with present day Lithuania? Sorry, no way:)
Gregrog
6 May 2011
Life / The REAL Warsaw :-) Video clip. [43]
Once I met Varsovians when I had holiday at Solina Lake(Podkarpacie). Sun, clear water, mountains, silence... and 4 Varsovians talking how rich and powerful they are. Also one of them was making photos using digital camera as huge as my will to kick them in their asses:) Luckily it was just 30 minutes meeting in bar.
Once I met Varsovians when I had holiday at Solina Lake(Podkarpacie). Sun, clear water, mountains, silence... and 4 Varsovians talking how rich and powerful they are. Also one of them was making photos using digital camera as huge as my will to kick them in their asses:) Luckily it was just 30 minutes meeting in bar.