Love / Are there Polish women who date black guys? [281]


Very true. But of course that's a double edged sword there. If you choose to "punish" someone, society will choose to punish you in turn. I don't know about you but threatening women doesn't seem like the right way of handling things. It's ungentlemanly at best.

Modern history seems to disprove your point. Incest would be considered "bonding with women of the same genetic uniqueness" and most civilized societies frown on it, with good reason. Inbreeding leads to genetic weakness, susceptibility to disease and diminished mental capacity. Science seems to favor a wider gene pool.

Other attempts to forcibly preserve uniqueness has been pretty much stomped out by most governments and society. There are certainly individuals who still feel like it is necessary to protect their skin color (whatever the skin color) but to say "Failures in this area are judged harshly by history" sounds like standard white power mumbo jumbo. It's not very realistic or persuasive in today's day and age.

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I'm saying society does not condone the sort of "punishment" alluded to in your post. Your post seems to justify the use of violence against women (physical or not) and although you may believe that it is the correct thing to do based on your "moral" standards I believe that "civilized society" is on my side. One of the arguments for fighting the Taliban is to free women from the Taliban's "moral" view that women should not go to school, be submissive. Last year, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints' "polygamist ranch" that controlled their women and children and was viewed with outrage.

And really, quibbling about threat vs. punish is silly. I am fully willing to replace my use of the word "threat" with punish...and I would still stand by my point that most civilized society is against it. You may think it's a point of view that should be changed but I am saying modern history and culture is generally against your view...hardly likely to be "judged harshly by history."

Ok, here goes: I don't know about you but punishing women doesn't seem like the right way of handling things. It's ungentlemanly at best.


So you really want to argue that inbreeding's a good thing? Come on man. Pick your fights...this one's a loser for you. Let's look at a quicker breeding, more closed genetic set. Golden Retrievers used to be known as an intelligent breed of dog. Now, with the popularity of the breed and inbreeding, a lot of people consider them downright dumb and susceptible to more physical maladies than generations ago.

And your "sci-fi" argument that medicine can cure the negative side effects of interbreeding...Well, wouldn't medicine be able to make everyone White? Black? Would that be ok with you? =)


I object to the use of violence (physical or not), what you would call punishment, against women over something as inconsequential as skin color. Does skin color determine the quality of the individual? How smart you are? Whether you're good "breeding stock"?

And if you want to protect a culture rather than a mere skin tone realize that a lot of white Europeans look at Polish folks as somewhat alien. Preserving white skin will not preserve Polish culture. Hell, keeping Polish blood lines pure wont preserve the culture. It's the popularization and the ability to "export" your culture to other people and younger generations...to convince people that it's a history worth preserving because of the artifacts of that culture...that will sustain a cultural heritage. I know I'm going on a bit of a tangent right now but just wanted to address the "need to protect our culture" argument that invariably comes up.


Although that phrase, recently, is used in connection with the last US Presidency more than anywhere else, it also sounds like a line used by people who want to protect the white race. It's a grandiose rally cry for a small group of people who would probably be more successful as secessionists or survivalists but would still like to puff themselves up. Thinking about the use of that language...and looking at modern society...it seems like a rather hollow threat.

Love / Are there Polish women who date black guys? [281]

Sorry for the late reply, been a really busy weekend. Probably wont have time to cover all the points but the conversation is becoming a bit cumbersome as is...and certainly nothing new is being discussed on either side. This topic has been beaten to death on PF several times over.


Part of the problem is you're arguments are rather broad and use a lot of vague threats (what you call punishment). Any "examples" or references to reality seem to be mine. And yes, I recognize you want to fight against the current direction society seems to be heading in but I think it's not only a futile effort but one that is really not that worthy.


But you ignored that I would accept your wording and would still stand by what I said. Thus this point is unimportant since it's not something I'm arguing.


It's not changing races...but rather the appearance. If someone looks white...are they white? If you met someone who looked darker but was Polish would you react differently based on what you perceive? Medicine is not just "repairing medical problems"...there's plenty of research dollars that go into cosmetic surgery.


Ah, then are you trying to preserve Polish culture or white culture...because from my outsider's view there's no real white culture. It's been said numerous times that a white individual from the UK would have a lot more in common culturally with a black person from the UK than a white person from Poland. Also, in your posts the references are to preserving skin color. I believe I am the one who brought up the idea of preserving culture.


Problem with that: A lot of the things you read on google are dated and come from people with agendas...like trying to sell golden retriever puppies. People I know who are dog breeders tell me otherwise, that the breed does have more issues now. Now why do ads for Golden Retriever pups seem to stress that they do not come from inbred lines? Hmmm!


If it's a question of protecting some genetic line...well, wouldn't your argument about the potential of medicine fix that? We're not that far away from genes being manipulated to be the way you'd like them to be (if you have the means of course)...so why stop people from being happy? If you aren't arguing culture like I am but purely genetics then those lines can be preserved. Your argument seems to morph a lot...and it is a complex ethical argument that is probably not suited for a Polish discussion forum.

I'm more into "live and let live"...I'll live my life the way I want but if I see someone butting into someone else's life I'll step in and be a pain in the ass. Really, I'm all about not being a cock-blocker.

So yes, I would say, and have said, the same thing about protecting other races...including my own.


Thanks!

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These are not identified as a white "cultural" artifact though. Polish culture, French culture, Catholic culture, Jewish culture...sure. People don't identify these things you list as "white culture" but rather credit other sources of inspiration.

My favorite film last year was the movie Hunger...made by a gentleman born in London...about the Irish Hunger Strike. I identify that as part of Irish-UK culture but the director is black.

And fine cuisine? Come on. You have mostly Polish/Irish/UK people posting here and none of your cuisine is really all that. The best food to come out of the UK isn't even close to being from a "white" origin (talking Indo/Paki).


Compared to someone who is white but has only been in the UK for a couple months? Immigrants are immigrants regardless of skin color and they will have their own world views making them extremely foreign to the native population. Yes, someone who is black and, let's say, from the US will be very different, but from what you know about Polish folk, do you think they will be that much more like yourself? That's what I mean by culture. Skin color has very little to do with it.


And that's different from how people behave...how? Most people I know who are "I only date white/polish/non-polish" people are not exactly scientists. Nor should they be! I'm just saying let people be and if they're happy, be happy for them. It's hard enough to find the right person nowadays and to limit your options seems imprudent.


Agreed. And now I have to respond to ShelleyS too! This may be my last post on this matter (I get to PF only once a week or so) but I appreciate the conversation. I will probably not convince you otherwise and you will likely not convince me but if the discussion gives people things to think about, I think it was worthwhile.


But that's part of the future of "cosmetic" medicine. It's been ages since I studied Cell and Structural Biology in undergrad but I'm talking about genetic manipulation. If, let's say, an Asian couple genetically modify their offspring to take on largely white characteristics...different skin tone, eyes, hair. I think this portion of the conversation has gone off track a bit, though.


Sure. I'll comment on the portion concerning culture. The "other" for a very long time has been other white cultures which can be extremely different and often hostile to each other. Culturally, do Germans and Polish have much in common? To some, no. But someone who knows a lot of Polish folks would likely be a little sensitive to equate the two. So a lot of these cultural artifacts that Europe, in particular, has developed has not been born of the concept that the other is "not white" but rather not French/German/Polish/etc. The other as not white is a more recent convention and has less to show for itself, imho.

Not that the mixing of two cultures is a bad thing from my point of view. I love that there are Korean Burrito trucks driving around LA and getting raves. There's so many odd and wonderful things out there (and terrible, yes, there's plenty of bad with the good, white or non-white though), I hate seeing anyone shut them out.

I see it more as a Pat Buchanan/non-interventionist/conservative stance. Or, if you would like to look at it from a macro/breeding/populations angle then I think of it as regular evolution of the human race. If white/black/other skin colors are different but no better than the other then, to me, the mixing of the races is fine. If you want to look at it from a social/cultural angle, it's already a losing battle since modern white culture borrows more from other cultures anyways (I'm referring to the folks who rail against "kids and their hip hop music" and the like...).

But, to me, people should do what they like as long as it doesn't hurt other people. It's a lot more complicated than that, of course, but it's been good to discuss this.

Love / What do Asian boys think about Polish girls? :) (and vice versa) [150]

Haven't been on PF in a while but here's my opinion. I'm a 30 something Korean American guy, born in Seoul and living in Chicago.

Physically, I find Polish women to be attractive but not significantly more than women from other countries. I like that most Polish women I meet value education and "self improvement" but most are also a bit...boring?...when it comes to how they spend their time outside of school and work. No offense. It may just be a Chicago Polonia thing...

The last Polish girl I dated loved live music and theater but she commented that a lot of her Polish female friends tended to be home bodies or the type who would likely just go to a local bar/club on their nights out. Not attracted to that sort but that's probably not important for a lot of guys out there.

I guess I'm a sucker for a woman with an accent and appreciate the "immigrant" mindset but that's not a uniquely Polish trait.

About this thread in general: I've noticed that in Europe the reference to "Asian" usually refers to South Asians while "Asian" in North America usually refers to East Asian/South East Asian. Interesting.