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Paulina   
13 Mar 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

This whole thread is a giant proof of the Polish sensitivity complex. You are your own worst enemies with this stuff.

Perhaps. But maybe there is a reason for this?
I've heard that there are "Polack jokes" in the US but never cared much about it. It's a country of immigrants and I knew there are probably also jokes about other nationalities.

But reading this thread was unpleasant for me, with all these jokes and some people defending them so strongly.
True, I've always had a "thin skin" in general.
Now even more after two or three years of disscusions with Russians on the internet :)

You write "get over this", but it's easy to say.
You're an American (and probably white, yes? ;)) and I doubt your nation (or, at least the white part of it, except for Jews ;)) ever experienced anything similar to what Poles, and Slavs in general, experienced during the nazi occupation. In the nazi propaganda Slavs were something between a Jew and a human :) They were meant to be slaves and were treated as such. As something worse. So MediaWatch's ranting is of course crazy but there is some truth to it, at least as far as Polish "sensitivity complex" is concerned ;)

But it's not only the nazi.
The Soviet and communist propaganda also made everything Polish before the communist rule in Poland look stupid, wrong. Even in the time of partitions those who partitioned Poland claimed that Poles aren't able to rule their own country and thus somebody has to do this for them :)))

After the collapse of communism it became obvious how much Poland is behind the Western countries (though Poles realised this even before that) - a poor backwater. It didn't add to our self-estime either :)

Generally, in Europe, I think, there is a kind of "West-East thing" (besides a "North-South thing", but maybe "North-South is not as vivid, I don't know). Countries in the West look down upon those East of them. So, let's say, Germany would look down a little bit upon eastern countries, Poland would look a little bit upon probably any country east of Poland, and Russia would look down a little bit upon the Asian republics, the Caucasus and China. And so everybody would be sensitive of what is said west of them ;) Well, except for the Western countries, of course :)

Anyway, maybe someone who tells "Polack jokes" could take this into consideration?
I think Poles after those 20 years lost most of this kind of inferiority complex, but probably not all of it ;) Maybe that's why there are so sensitive.

And why, beelzebub, telling these jokes is so important to you? Is your need of telling them more important for you than the fact that you can hurt somebody by telling them?

It's almost as if you WANT to keep things riled up so you can be the "victim"

Well, that's strange thinking... It looks a little bit as if you were looking for an excuse to tell them :/

Not everybody has such thick skin as you have. And don't have to. People are different and I try to respect that. For example, I don't tell or write certain jokes about Russians because I know that some Russians can find them offensive. I've noticed many Russians are even more sensitive of what is said about them than the Poles. They think people in the West consider them inferior, not even humans o_O It may sound strange but it goes back apparently even to the times of Chekhov (or at least I had such impression while reading one of his short stories - I don't know the title in English, probably "The Daughter of Albion" or something of this kind).

So maybe have more mercy for the Eastern people ;)))))

Ufff, I guess I wrote too much :P Sorry for the mistakes but English is not my native tongue and right now I'm too lasy to look all of this up in the dictionary ;P

Oh, one more thing - someone wrote earlier that Poles can't laugh at themselves. I think anybody who lived in Poland for a while and seen sketches of Polish "kabarety" (I don't know the right English word for it) about Poles and Poland and how Poles laugh at them, knows it's not true :)))
Paulina   
13 Mar 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

Very nice post Paulina.....heartfelt and intelligent. Thanks for sharing. And you did just fine, dictionary or not. :-)

Thank you, Softsong :)))
Paulina   
13 Mar 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

And more pity for these creatures.

If this makes you feel better... :)))
Btw, what's your nationality? :)
Paulina   
14 Mar 2010
Life / COMBATING "POLACK" JOKES [460]

I think that if MediaWatch feels connection to Poland and Polish people because of his/her roots he/she has right to feel in this way. Even if he's/she's rather odd ;)

There are a lot of Poles and people with Polish roots outside Poland and we feel connected to them. We call them "Polonia":

In Polish:
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonia

In English:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonia

I've always heard Arabs are the kings (or sultans?) of conspiracy theories but I wonder if the Polish might actually excel in that arena? LOL

Why do you think so? I doubt Poles (at least in Poland) create any conspiracy theories behind jokes.
I simply wrote how I feel about those jokes. And explained to beelzebub why Poles may be sensitive about them.

I know some Poles who say that they think some of the anti-Polish Bias out there could possible root from an anti-Slavic/East European bias. The Poles being the largest Slavic group in the US made them a target (although it's less today then 30 years ago). At least that's what some say.

Well, I don't know, it's hard for me to tell. I suspect that it's probably more "the white Anglo-Saxon vs. all the rest" ;))) I doubt people in USA know what a "Slav" is ;) Or do they?

Some Russian people think that people in the West consider Slavic people as inferior or something.
But I don't think that's the case :P
I think people in the West probably look down upon all countries East of them - Slavic or non-Slavic. It's the case with all poor and not as developed (in many areas) countries as their own. Another thing is the fact that the Eastern countries were behind the Iron Curtain. So the West and the East have different experience and different problems.

And don't know much about each other as they were divided for 50 years.
I guess for people living in the Western countries everything that lies East of them is a land where dragons live, there's an eternal winter and polar bears walk the streets ;))) In the US probably the more so ;)

Also, in the Eastern countries dominate the Orthodox Church and Roman Catholic Church. In the West either protestant churches or atheism, and in some countries - Catholic Church.

Remember that Roman Empire reached only Germania (so Romans stopped in the middle of today's Poland, I guess). I'm not a historian but it probably had it's influence. Romans introduced in their colonies Roman law and Latin. In Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia Latin alphabet is used, in Serbia - both Latin and Cyrillic alphabet, but in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria, Russia - only the Cyrillic. The West is a Roman culture, and most of the East - Byzantium culture.

So despite the fall of the Iron Curtain there is a division into the West and the East. Those are different cultures. And some think that this what is different is worse and thus dislike it and mock it. But I think such people are probably in minority on both sides ;)

I notice that even reporting on Slavic countries like Ukraine and Russia, the media reporting is not exactly positive.

Ukraine is struggling, has many problems right now, so it can't be very positive.
And Russia... well... Russia hasn't got good press in Poland either ;) But that's another story.

After Russia didn't do so good in the Olympics recently and it was reported that the Russians were depressed about it, there were some late night people making fun of the Russians. One guy made a "joke", in so many words, that Russia can only do well in the Olympics when "Russia's women athletes look like men". I thought that was tasteless and disrepecful to Russians, especially when in my opinion some of the most talented and prettiest female athletes are the Slavic/Russian iceskaters like Oskana Domina (not to mention Russian female tennis players).

Yes, I agree with you.
Maybe seeing Russian athletes in this way in the US is a remnant of the Cold War era. In the times of communism female athletes from the East Germany (GDR - German Democratic Republic) were famous for taking steroids (and God knows what else ;P) and they indeed looked masculine. Simply in communist states sport was an important propaganda tool and athletes had to win whatever the cost. Even if their health was at stake.

Anyone who makes fun of the looks of Russian women athletes are ignorant of the pretty Russian female athletes like Oskana Domnina

Ahhh, I'm a fan of figure skating :)))
In this free dance Maxim and Oksana skate, among others, to the music of Zbigniew Preisner from the movie "Double Life of Veronique" directed by Krzysztof Kieślowski :)

It's one of my favourite films :)

In my family, we generally have an appreciation for other Slavic groups :)

Well, I try to appreciate all ethnic groups and nations ;)
Paulina   
17 Mar 2010
News / Polish minorities in Bielarus, what's going on? [7]

That's another subject. On one hand, I do think people should be responsible for what they're putting out there on the internet, on the other hand, who would I want to be the guardian of that gate?

I'm not sure if you realise what this means in Belarusian reality? ;): "President Lukashenko said identification and registration of all web users and publications would now be mandatory in an effort to curtail online dissidence and opposition."

msnbc.msn.com/id/34633201/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets

"He told journalists that a new Internet bill, proposed Tuesday, would require the registration and identification of all online publications and of each Web user, including visitors to Internet cafes. Web service providers would have to report this information to police, courts and special services.

Lukashenko has ruled Belarus with an iron fist since 1994, weeding out opposition and dissidents. All television channels and most print media have become state-controlled, and many of the independent newspapers ordered closed have taken refuge in cyberspace.

Last June, Belarus adopted a media bill that allowed the government to close Web sites without warning and imprison journalists for reproducing foreign media reports."
Paulina   
21 Mar 2010
History / Why did Hitler kill so many Jews in Poland? [261]

Why did Hitler kill so many Jew's in Poland?

Because at that time in Poland there was the biggest community of Jews in Europe. In 19th century it was 1/5 of world's Jewish population. So I guess it was easier to bring all the rest of Jews in Europe to Poland than the other way round. And I think there was something about railway routes - it was convenient as Poland was Germany's neighbour or something.
Paulina   
28 Mar 2010
Life / Do Polish people have a temper? [53]

LOL

PolishNutjob: Polish women in particular have been known to display violent, irrational temper tantrums.

Oh, really? :)
Have been known? By whom?
And in comparison to women of which nationality? Do they have more violent temper than Spanish women? Italian women? Russian woman? I believe not :)

PolishNutjob: It is, for the most part, a by-product of frustrated ambition.

Um, what? Elaborate, please :)

PolishNutjob: Overshadowed by the superior stock of females to the east

LOLI asked you before in another thread, but I think you didn't answer my question - what's your nationality? :)

PolishNutjob: and confronted by the "high-quality" pool of available Polish gentlemen,

What? ;D

PolishNutjob: Polish women are explosions waiting to happen. Be careful when in the vicinity of such outbursts.

Oooh, you weakling... :)))

PolishNutjob: This pathology is especially acute among the frustrated 26-38 year old Polish spinsters.

Oh, and why is that? :D

PolishNutjob: In addition to the above-mentioned conditions, Polish spinsters in this demographic category also have to reckon with being also-rans relative to their younger counterparts. This accelerates the frustrated ambition quotient and incites numerous dramatic hissy fits.

And, of course, there's no way that a 26-38 year old "spinster" from any country could have "dramatic hissy fits", be frustrated or something, only Polish women! :)

PolishNutJob, why do you hate Polish women so much? :) I've noticed in your other posts on this forum that you have something against Polish women :) Why is that?
Paulina   
28 Mar 2010
Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

Partyzant AK: This is my country and my history and I'm not gonna forget what they did to my family.

"Remember" doesn't mean "hate". Hate is a bad, destructive feeling. It will eat you up, eventually. Believe me.
How old are you? Have you met any Germans at all?
Those Germans who did something to your family are either dead or very old.
So do you hate all Germans? Even the young ones?
Paulina   
28 Mar 2010
Life / Polish stereotypes of other nationalities!? [472]

Partyzant AK: I'm 22 .

So you're younger than me. Masz jeszcze czas żeby zmądrzeć :)

Partyzant AK: And yes I know some germans.

And? Do you hate them?

Partyzant AK: And I know what I'm talking about, cause propably you have no idea what is happening now in germany.. Nazi parties and all that stuff.

I think I know what you're talking about. I've read some articles. But there were and probably still are neonazis in Poland too :) I never could understand how it's possible :) There even was a neonazi girl at my school :)

As far as I know there's some problem with memory in the Eastern part of Germany. But that's probably a problem of all former communist countries. We have problems with dealing with our past. Look at Russia, for example.

Partyzant AK: We can't forget or we will have another '39

History should be remembered and be a lesson for us all. It won't guarantee us it won't happen again (look at the Balkans, for example) but I agree it's important. But why hate? Do you need hate to remember?

Partyzant AK: Learn more and turn off your TV.

I don't watch much TV, to be honest :) I can make up my mind on my own.
Paulina   
28 Apr 2010
History / The Polish Blame Culture! [330]

please refrain from blaming Germans wanting their towns back!

They want them back?
Paulina   
8 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]

French, Italian, British not coming...

They weren't present also at the funeral of president Kaczyński and his wife. President Medvedev came and Poles appreciated this. And so Komorowski will be present at the parade in Moscow.
Paulina   
8 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]

I sense that Poland is being lulled into a false sense of security and partnership. I'd like to feel otherwise but sth is up.

Well, I think Poles know well enough that with Russia we have to have our eyes on the back of our heads ;) But it won't hurt to try and make our relations with Russia better, I think.
Paulina   
12 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]

If you'll analyze who is writing sad comments about Poland, you'll find that many of them do almost the same about Russia in another threads.

Not really.

Ukrainian nazis is most active...

Where?
Paulina   
12 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]

Sure?

Yup. Those Russians I came across on the internet were very patriotic about Russia. The only Russian thing they attacked was liberal opposition and liberal media.

Just seen how fun for such guys was the news about explosion in a coal mine...

I'm sure there are such people on the internet.
But I personally have different experiences. I discussed mainly with Russians from Russia. Also with some living in Ukraine and Poland. There is a Polish-Russian LJ community I visit and there are only Russians there. I also know a Russian forum where there are Polish articles, blogs and forums being translated on a daily basis (if I'm not mistaken Borrka is well known over there thanks to those translations). You can imagine what's going on in there :)))

But I think those people are a "specific" crowd. Or, at least, I hope so ;)
Paulina   
12 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]

Inosmi you mean? It's a cesspool of hatred and fiefdom of jingoes and hatemongers.

Yes, Inosmi :) But most of the "fans" of Poles and Poland moved to "Inoforum" ;) And then to another forum.

It's like surveying prisoners to get an idea on what the life on the freeside is.

I hope so :)
But I must admit sometimes I wonder whether some of their views are marginal or predominant in Russian society. It's because I meet mainly such Russians. It seems that Polish themes somehow attract this sort of folk. I guess they feel a need to fight against the enemies of Russia, even on the internet ;)

You know, some of them are nice. And those Russians write they don't hate Poles. But their views give me creeps o_O

I bet you, Paulina, ran onto the same ilk of Polish guys over there...

Yes, but on the Polish internet. Poles rarely visited Inosmi and then Inoforum. They usually don't know these forums exist (which is good, I think ;)). And they don't know Russian language well enough to read or to write there.

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День 9 Мая в Варшаве. 30 фотографий:

dassie2001.livejournal.com/59916.html

:)

Unfortunately I missed the parade in Moscow (it was to early for me for a Sunday morning ;)). But later I went to the Soviet cemetery in my city to light a candle and put a flower :)
Paulina   
14 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]

But ofc these NKVD saw upon AK as fascists and so on :((

Not only NKVD. Also today's Russians :( I've noticed they preffer AL.
At least those Russians I was writing about before.
Paulina   
14 May 2010
News / 1945-2010 Poles will march on Red square [66]

Pawian i Paulina, thanks for pics!

Не за что :)

Thanks, Paulina, I heartily appreciate that!

:)

As I said it unfortunately takes a couple article or a forum thread translated to foment hatred. In other words, the problem is mutual.

Yes, I know :(
But I think some of their views originated from long before reading Polish articles and forums.
Paulina   
14 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

Very selfish, when they want it only. If you don't oblige, they mutter expletives at you. Some of the most self-centred women I have ever met.

Good point, KP. Vain, moody and ignorant. They possess those qualities in abundance. Valiant and heartfelt Celts they are not! Give me a passionate Celtic woman anyday.

LOL

Seanus, aren't you married to a Polish woman? :)

And you think you can escape so easily from the Russkayas?

I think they're more likely to run from you than the other way round :)

it depends on the girl man, not the nationality. Generalizing is idiotic and so the generalizers are.

Indeed.
Paulina   
15 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

You just have to listen more to russian rap.

Is Russian rap your source of knowledge about the world and its inhabitants? :)))

I also get mad sometimes when Polki start speaking on mobile to bfs and other men in front of me

LOL

And what's wrong with that? Women don't have right to speak to other men and their boyfriends in your presence? ;D

or they say to me how good they were duped by other men

Funny, I don't meet such Polish women though I live in Poland :) Maybe you have bad taste in women and mingle with wrong sort of people.

Or maybe you're simply jealous? :)

Paulina, yes I am. It's very much a work in progress ;)

And what? Is your wife selfish, self-centred, vain, moody, ignorant and mutters expletives at you? :)
Paulina   
15 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

Paulina, she reads PF so I'd better not say ;) ;)

And she knows what you're writing here about Polish women? So what harm there would be if she knew what you're thinking about her?

It looks like you're not honest with her.
Paulina   
15 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

Paulina I don't think any man would appreciate being on date with polish women and their mobiles ringing all the time by their boyfriends.

Was king polkakamon writing about dating?
If so, why on Earth was he dating girls who have boyfriends? o_O

No man also likes to hear his gf telling him how nice complements her Italian sponsor made for her sex abilities.

Southern, have you been dating a prostitute? ;D

Polish girls have no tact at all,

Bull...t :)

Czech girls take you into account they avoid telling stuff that will bother you.

Southern, in every nation there are all kinds of girls. I just don't buy that in some nation girls are good and in other girls are bad :) That's just stupid, sorry.

And I know Polish women, work with them, talk to them, hang about with them.

Basically what strikes most negatively about Polki is their ungratefulness,the blatant lying and this cold heartedness.For example they tell you please give me the money otherwise I will die from hunger and when you give it they don't say thank you because they think it is obligation of a man to support them.But in poor man's opinion such a help equals at least two royal BJs.

LOL

Southern, where do you live? :)
Paulina   
15 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

Polki now will eat us alive.

No, you're not tasty enough :)

But really Ukrainians are not like that.Ukrainians can get tears in their eyes if you do sth for them and will try to repay you multiple times.

And what do you do for them? o_O Get them a cup of coffee or sth? ;D
And how they repay you? :)

I think gratefulness is part of the orthodox culture we appreciate generosity.

Then date Orthodox girls LOL

As for Paulina I don't think polish girls have too much tact.They say some things which if said by our local girls would cause them to get slapped.

O_O

Oh... Do you often hit women, Southern...?

And how many polish girls start crying in front of you?All of them.But Czech girls never cry in front of you to avoid your feeling bad.

O________O

You're hopeless.
Paulina   
15 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

No wonder, it's just another stupid thread about generalizations. :)

I've noticed :) I'm just wating for another thread entitled "Are Polish women gold diggers????" :))))

Oh, I fully agree, Paulina. That is why I feel that they cheat themselves more.

No, Seanus. You're cheating her by not telling what you think about her.

I could never cheat, it's not in my blood.

Hmmm... :) Not so sure about this.

Besides, no offence, many Polish women are just not compatible with me. I don't find their 'jibe' alluring and there is no real connection. It's not a language thing, that's for sure.

I don't think they find you "alluring" also. Probably they sense what you think about Polish women.
Paulina   
15 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

Paulina, what does sex mean to you as a Polish woman? What's your general impression, is it a hedonistic nuisance or a meaningful experience?

Meaningful experience.
I think my friends at work would say the same. One has one and the same boyfriend all the time. The other isn't meating anyone, she thinks men are chauvinistic ;) and her hero is her aunt who raised her son by herself and proved that living without a man is possible ;) This coworker of mine is a tall, attractive blond with blue eyes :)
Paulina   
15 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

u mean this: Oct 12, 08, 06:30 - Relationships, Marriage / ARE POLISH GIRLS GOLD-DIGGERS?

Yes, this one :) But there was another one, similar, I think :)

What I think about who?

Polish women.

You are insinuating that I am a cheat without knowing me? What kind of implication is that? I don't need to cheat, even if I could.

Not implication, just a feeling (from your flirting on this board, for example). Besides, you're a man, aren't you? :)))

I said many Polish women, not all. Just my experience, that's all. I have many Polish women as friends and nationality is not the issue at all. I think you did the Polish thing and got defensive and read me wrong.

Really? Sorry, Seanus, but this sounds like a pretty straightforward and rather mean generalisation:

Good point, KP. Vain, moody and ignorant. They possess those qualities in abundance. Valiant and heartfelt Celts they are not! Give me a passionate Celtic woman anyday.

They are even worse? Niemożliwe! They are prissy little tarts who could use a swift hoof up the arse. I can't stand whimsical and vain little princesses.

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Sex is meaningful? Isn't it merely a transitory exp? So what is love?

Seanus, why are you asking me this? You're married and you don't know what love is?
Paulina   
15 May 2010
Love / Polish girls attitudes towards sex. [568]

What flirting? I'm not aware of any, just having a laugh.

Well, I had a different impression. And I must say I didn't like this when I got to know that you have a wife.

The generalisation applies and is just that, a generalisation.

?

Where did I say that I didn't know? I was asking you. Again, deflection

No deflection. I wanted to know why are you asking me this. And I don't feel like discussing what love is - people have been trying to define love for ages. Read Shakespeare or something :)

And sex can be a part of love.

Yes, I'm a man and there's your next insinuation.

No, just a generalisation. Generalisation for generalisation :)

I don't cheat, period!

But it doesn't mean you wouldn't like to! Hah! :)))