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Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jul 2010
News / Why are Czechs more effective than Poles and Poland? [116]

So how come we were on our collective knees and they were just realists? Hypocritical much?

Read back what HC wrote...
It's stupid to single out a people from the Eastern Bloc for cowardness....we were all in the same boat.

I don't remember Poles inventing any zyklonB on the way.

Yeah...they would had been scientific masterminds back then...you didn't invent the gun powder or the bullets either...tsk tsk...
Still in the last century the preferred killing method in the wild East was still the club and the spade! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jul 2010
News / Why are Czechs more effective than Poles and Poland? [116]

So is that making them cowards too?

Realists I would say...People choose life to atomic death, that's why we can speak to each other today on PF, HC too.

You mean beyond not having murderous tendencies toward our neighbors?

Well in your time you made it till Moscow too....without any invitiation that is!
Not to forget the "fondness" alot of Ukrainians still harbor for you deep down in their hearts...;)
Bratwurst Boy   
18 Jul 2010
News / Why are Czechs more effective than Poles and Poland? [116]

That is why they could entertain and flirt with such options like communism, where for a time being it was a genuinely popular ideology.

...as everybody could see during the Prague spring.

Not to forget the millions of Poles immigrating to Germany over the centuries...searching for a better life.

Well they do say its is better to die fighting than live on your knees.

Well...besides a handful of uprising the whole Eastern bloc DID live on it's knees for 60 years.
What makes you think Poles are different to everybody else?
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Jul 2010
History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

it is possible that some germanic settlers were living in gdansk in 14 cent.

Hmmm...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gda%C5%84sk#History

About 1235, the town was granted city rights under Lübeck law by Pomerelian duke Swantopolk II, an autonomy charter similar to that of Lübeck which was also the primary origin of many settlers.[11] In 1300, the town had an estimated population of 2,000.[13]

in 1308:

...
Medieval massacre records of 10,000 inhabitants are perceived divergently in modern literature:[15]

Hmmmm....;)

It seems they weren't quite exact with the numbers back then...
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Jul 2010
History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

Now that is what I call good editing...showing ALL sides:

According to Raphael Lemkin the massacred population in the city was Polish[1]
According to Hartmut Boockmann, the town was primarily inhabited by Germans.[2]
James Minahan wrote that the city inhabitants, for the most part, were Kashubians.[3]

;)

What an international mess:

...
The rebellious inhabitants, who supported the Brandenburgers, however, remained opposed to the Polish-Teutonic takeover. In September, the Teutonic Knights, together with the Polish garrison, begun their own siege of the city.

...
Based on Polish research up to 2002, Boockmann gives a number close to a hundred dead.[2]

Bratwurst Boy   
16 Jul 2010
History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

But there are mistakes - it is not the most reliable source in all cases. Agree?

Well...for that are the sources and references. ;)
I'm suspicious about every statement with the "citation needed" tag, I'm for scratching these statements for good...agreed! :)

My obvious joke turned out to be a bit dry:)

Hey...I'm a German! ;)

Isn't Germany the country of Karl Lagerfeldt?

Lagerfeld, Boss, Adi Dassler...you name them! ;)

No nerves for that, i just cant get my sh*t together to waste so much time.

I ought to think like you Sok. :)
But if you are really interested in some topic and you know that a wiki entry makes or
breaks opinions (if you want to or not)...it could be worth it!
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Jul 2010
History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

Well, I too am an editor (mostly Prussia/Germany related articles) and I can tell you for example about the hot discussions between Prussia-fanboys and Prussia-haters (english Wiki), what stayed at the end was the common agreed facts (under the whip of a professional wiki editor) which needed to be documented several times to survive the scratching.

That's why I spoke about "topics of broader interest". It can be that in local wikis, with not many interested people and unobserved someone can wreak havoc for a short time but that is not possible for the majority of the articles (and especially not in the english wiki).

Just my experience...

PS: If you don't like the article itself just take the sources and references on the end and go from there

PPS: And if you believe you have more trustworthy sources why not opening a discussion in Wiki? Who knows...you might be able to change the entry! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Jul 2010
History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

Ok, but do not rely solely on wikipedia.

Wikipedia isn't "solely", that's what many people don't get.

Most articles of broader interest are researched and discussed by whole groups of historians and all has to be documented with lot's of sources to guide you further (sources and references)

It's a good starting point to see what is accepted mainstream history and what not.

Bratwurst, are you Teutonian decendant?

It was an Order I believe, not a people or a race!
I as a pagan would not had been a natural friend but I love the uniforms!!! ;)

And since they are roman catholic more Poles could become members than protestant Germans...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutonic_Knights
Bratwurst Boy   
16 Jul 2010
History / The Grunwald Battle: Today is 600th anniversary of the greatest medieval battle. [66]

Those figures are hard to believe. It's a 48 to 1 ratio. Now, I could believe 1 Pole knocking out 10 Teutons.........

Not only "unbelievable" but also not true:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Grunwald

Belligerents
Kingdom of Poland
Grand Duchy of Lithuania
Polish-Lithuanian vassals, allies and mercenaries:[1]

Ruthenia,[2] Masovia,[3] Moldavia,[4] Tartars,[5] Czechs, Bohemia,[1] Moravia,[1] Wallachia[6]

Strength
16,000-39,000 men[7]

Casualties and losses
4,000-5,000 dead
8,000 wounded[8]

Belligerents
Teutonic Order, guest crusaders, and mercenaries from western Europe

Strength
11,000-27,000 men[7]

Casualties and losses
200-400 knights killed
8,000 dead
14,000 captured

;)

16,000-39,000 men against 11,000-27,000 men
4,000-5,000 dead to 8,000 dead

And whoever points to other sources, the stats from wikipedia are the currently mainstream accepted facts by the majority of historians!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

Dresden was a reprisal, BB. It was hardly going for the jugular.
...
Anyway, regressions abound. There are some excellent accounts of pilot bravado but also of desperation. Some Spitfire pilots went kamikaze and got caught out. Still, we had luck and skill on our side.

What a farce it is when civilians get dragged into it through being guilty by association. I would be VERY angry with my government for causing that and would not see my actions as being murderous in self defence.

You know what I think on this point, BB. Killing innocent civilians is just not on. Why should they be the victims of a war waged by lunatics?

What is it Seanie?
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
Life / Why are the Italians and Polski so much alike? [90]

Well, someone who uses stereotypes like "cold, heartless, snobbish, corrupt" for whole peoples shouldn't whine when other stereotypes "stupid thieving idiots" is used against him too....we got it, alright!

What's good for the goose...

Do you get it?

PS: But I'm sure we can find some more stereotypes instead of arguments....
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

So, what price for peace, BB?

Well...that was my question Seanie!

Would you really spare the innocent civilians of Dresden and Hiroshima to enter a dark time under a brutal dictatorship with probably millions more people enslaved and murdered?

Be honest here...

Where are the lines drawn?

At surrender!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

That all wasn't the question Isathu2...

The bombing campaign didn't consisted only of Dresden but YEARS of Dresdens and Hamburgs!
It flattened the whole country!
The nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki FOR SURE brought us Europeans a cold war instead of a hot one because both Superpowers were to scared to start something bigger than the many small proxy wars around the globe.

If Dresden and Hiroshima is ALL what stands between you,peace, freedom and a Nazi-conquered Europe, what would you choose?

It isn't a question of Arthur Harris being a hero, he is also in my opinion a war criminal. But the question stands...
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

There were no ideal solutions.

That's what I wanted to say....idealism is all good and peachy...but then there is the real world.
;)
PS: Doesn't mean ethical discussions are wrong, we need them!

Iran would be obliterated if they used them.

After they had used them...what do you think that means for millions of people?

Besides, they don't want to kill Palestinians.

No, WE are his enemies, Seanie...WE!!! He would like to kill US if he could! Feel better now?

*goes for the shower*
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

I don't want him to have nukes, BB. The thing is, we can't apply double standards and be hypocritical. He wouldn't be so stupid as to use them but this is another discussion.

Lunatics are called Lunatics because they are lunatic....contrary to reasonable or realistic...
Ideology, religious fanatism etc. make for stupid decisions!

Hiroshima and Nagasaki bought us world peace (at least the absent of world war) for 70 years now.
The US never used them again and never will...no double standards as the dictators of Iran or North Korea are no democratic governments. The former using their nukes to cement and secure an atrocious, inhuman, brutal regime, the latter wanting to broaden his influence for his religious fanatical reasons. Think Taliban with a nuke!

If he believes his god, his belief, wants him to use the nukes he WILL use them, just think one moment about that one...
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

You got confused is what you got ;) ;)

It's hot in Berlin...very hot...my brain is melting...;)

I just dislike America hacking at Iran for allegedly developing a nuke when they actually used 2.

What IF they do? Do you want a nuke in the hands of a nutter? A lunatic wouldn't had any qualms to use them against your (and mine) family Seanie...

I wonder why you show sympathy for the lunatic but begrudge the US their fight against nutters getting nukes!
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

When you are dealing with lawless loonies, only force works as was found out when the Nazi machine was dismantled :) :)

So you have no problems with the mass murder of civilians in Dresden, Hamburg or Hiroshima?
You don't see the pilots as murderers? No consentious objections?
Got you Seanie! ;)

But since they invented the Nukes we left the age of mass-murdering wars....I too believe the future belongs to small, highly specialized forces who go directly to the heart of the enemy!

I wonder why they hadn't done so in Iraq actually...
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

Killing innocent civilians is just not on. Why should they be the victims of a war waged by lunatics?

Innocent civilians are ALWYS the victims by lunatics.
But don't blame the soldiers, blame the lunatics.

Your rosy ideals only work in a world where all share those ideals...not when your enemy is a lawless lunatic!

Just a question: Dresden was a war crime! FACT! Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes! FACT!
But if you could choose between a world conquered by the german and japanese lunatics (and where Dresden and Hiroshima never happened because the Allies didn't use the weapons they had) and our current world, what would you choose?

Do you really care for the innocent civilians of Dresden and Hiroshima that much? Or aren't you still grateful to the murderers of hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children?

Should RAF pilots have objected?
Bratwurst Boy   
14 Jul 2010
History / The Untold Battle of Britain [205]

Others go on peace-keeping missions (KFOR) and they try to avert killings.

Well, if peace keepers had been abit more active (meaning killing/murdering the criminals) they could had avoided big scale massacres of civilians as in Rwanda or ex-Yugoslavia.

'Killing' is too loose in this context.

They did not kill but wanted to keep the "peace" and untold civilians lost their lives because of it!
Who was loosing in this context Seanie?

Soldiers don't have to obey, they have free will. You are following the Nazi logic too much (I'm not calling you this, just saying that you follow that way of thinking)

No, Soldiers don't have a free will. No army would be funtioning if Soldiers can and would decide which order to follow and which not or discussing it first broadly and lengthy with families and friends or blogging in the internet about it (what about a poll first?).

No army of the world works that way, can't work that way - nothing Nazi about it!

They can disobey if they have objections.

They can leave the army if they have objections!

PS: That's what the "consentious objections"- laws are for in the first place. That's why better think about it BEFORE you put on the uniform!