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Bratwurst Boy   
29 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]

Now, if you ever manage to find Rabbi Schneerson report of visiting New York in the 30ties and compare it to Jewish life in Poland, you will be surprised at what he concluded.

A short summary? (or a link) ?
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]

BB, you are right to say

Hey hey guys....I'm a bad substitute for M-G....let him come back and discuss tomorrow :)

It's hardly likely that the population of Poznanskie or Pomorskie could have been antisemitic as they hardly knew any Jews and did not compete with them.

Okay...only that one...the whole number of Jews in Germany during it's high time was barely 1%. ONE f'UCKING PERCENT!
And most of them lived in the few big towns and cities whereas the far majority of the Germans lived still in the country side with most of them probably never meeting a Jew in their life.

Didn't stop Hitler at all...

ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007687

...
According to the census of June 1933, the Jewish population of Germany consisted of about 500,000 people. Jews represented less than one percent of the total German population of about 67 million people.

...
In all, about 70 percent of the Jews in Germany lived in urban areas. Fifty percent of all Jews lived in the 10 largest German cities, including Berlin (about 160,000), Frankfurt am Main (about 26,000), Breslau (about 20,000), Hamburg (about 17,000), Cologne (about 15,000), Hannover (about 13,000), and Leipzig (about 12,000).

Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

The Nazis were pretty black to me...

Oh they were...but they didn't jump out of nothing one bright summer day.
Hitler came to power on the back on some serious and justified grievances the german people had.
That he in the end gave a flying **** about them was another late and hard learned lesson.

As I said, Hitler would had given up all claims for Danzig when Poland would had agreed to other (for him more important) points.

That is also why I say he made up his enemies and allies as he did go along...a neutral or allied Poland would had gotten a super duper treatment instead of the sub-human speeches.

He had no problems to use muslims or asians if they could be of any help...even the Hiwis (russian voluntary helpers of the Wehrmacht) were seen as cool.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiwi_(volunteer)

Not to mention the also slavic russian resistance who fighted with the Wehrmacht against the Red Army.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army

Slav or no Slav was really not THAT much a problem in the end!

You wrote it wasn't really about Danzig.

No it wasn't...but Danzig made a really fine excuse.
What do you think about the Danzig case? Imagine it would be the other way around?

Poland existed since 1918 till 1939 and in those 20 years of independence there was no war with Third Reich and Poland and Third Reich were not enemies.

Nope...Hitler tried till shortly before the invasion to get Poland on his good side...

How could they know that consequences would be so dreadful?

They didn't think that far...believing London and Paris would send immediately their armies...

But you don't have to discuss anything with me, I'm not forcing you ;)

Then stop asking me things! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Endecja - State Sponsored Anti Semitism 1935 - 1939. [138]

There was some anti-Semitic sentiment, yes, but state sponsored? Come off it!

So what do you think Endejca was?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democracy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto_benches
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

No, Poland was defending itself. It's not "going to war".

Of course you did!
You didn't really expect a strong Germany to just accept the theft of Danzig, didn't you?
What about the right of self-determination for the Danzigers? They for sure didn't wanted to become Poles.
But that was exactly the choice Poland gave them..become Poles or leave!

The polish government knew that Germany would act, to bad they truly believed that London and Paris would save their balls.

There was no war between Third Reich and Poland before 1939.

Poland didn't even exist till the Treaty of Versailles shuffled borders in 1919 and gave you your country. The third Reich existed from 1933 onwards...not really much time!

So why on Earth Poland would do that at that time?

To save their country and millions of people??? Just a guess...

Did you?

I'm the only one having the patience to answer some of your really inane...erm..uninformed questions.

And so it is so easy for you to say what they were supposed to do?

As I said, EVERYTHING would had been better...doesn't matter what!

Besides, Polish troops had orders not to fight against the Red Army. There was no declaration of war.

Well, there wasn't no declaration from the Germans either...didn't stop the polish army from fighting!

You can learn some from discussions too :)

You are bringing neither new arguments nor facts to the discussion.
Your whole argumentation reminds me about elementary school history...only superficial facts clad in some white washing and done with it.
But serious history is a different beast and rarely only black and white...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

Try to understand the underpinning rationale for them.

What? That the polish nobles/politics couldn't keep Poland together? Three times???

A simple but salient point!

Yeah...that surely helped them...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

Quite pathetic history?? What is that supposed to mean?

Partititions anybody???

Read the history from 966, BB.

Nope Seanie...1939 Danzig had been 98 percent Germans! Danzig had a history as Hanseatic League town for centuries...no need to go back 1000 years.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gda%C5%84sk#Famous_people_born_in_the_city

Famous people born in the city

# Johannes Dantiscus, 1485, poet, church canon and bishop
# Bernhard von Reesen, 1490
# Albrecht Giese, 1524
# Johannes Hevelius, 1611, astronomer
# Georg Daniel Schultz, 1615

German even longer than the US is american!

After all Germans had been EVERYWHERE first in what is now Poland if we go back even further so keep that crap!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

Maybe Poles aren't good at "cold blooded real politik"? ;)

Yeah...their quite pathetic history seems to hint at that...

What I meant was: after Austria and Czechoslovakia Hitler seemed to be always "hungry" for land. I really doubt that even if Poland gave Danzig, etc. Hiler wouldn't come for more.

How often do I have to repeat that!
Hitler gave a **** about Danzig and the corridor, that was to gain and keep the support of the Germans at home. He wanted Poland to scratch from the enemy-list in the build up to the war with Russia, maybe even as peaceful concentration area for his armies.

Well, I think Poland was making some preparations in case of war with Third Reich but I don't think anybody suspected that the Soviet Union would also invade Poland.

Why not? Because their relationships had been so peacy and friendly before???

I don't know! ;)

Well...that's history research for you...these questions are still hotly discussed...read some books.

In my opinion it's just a way of justifying what Hitler and Stalin did.

Don't mess up "justifying" with stating facts. Because I try to explain the reasoning behind Hitler and Stalin doesn't mean I justify that.

Nobody told Hitler to invade Poland and start a war because of one city.

Well, in short Poland did go to war about one city, a fully german city at that.

I think that many governments failed at that time. Even those who were in a more comfortable situation than Poland.

Agreed. But no other country was in the same situation, in the middle between Stalin and Hitler, the main battle field, so their failings hadn't the same disastreous consequences!

Why? Both Poland and those countries were occupied. So why the difference?

Erm...history is surely not your strong suit.
I'm not your teacher, please read up such stuff before you take part in history discussions!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

I'm still not surprised that Polish authorities didn't trust Hitler.

It wasn't a matter of "trust" or "friendship" but cold blooded real politik...
The german and russian juggernauts were gearing up for war with Poland direct in the middle.
Don't tell me the polish politicians didn't see that!

As far is denying is concerned - how does this matter in our discussion?

I'm not sure what "your friends" opinion matters in this discussion at all but still you brought him in...

hy would you write in the first place that Poland should become an ally of Hitler?

If you go back in this thread I answered to a posting that Germans "asked" for "it" but Poland not.
I was objecting and said that in a way Poland "asked" for "it" too...all their foreign policy helped to make both Russia and Nazis giving the incentive and motivation to invade and partition Poland between themselves till the real fight started.

In my opinion (as I explained at lengths now) Polands government failed their people BIG TIME!

ANYTHING would had been better, negotiating with Hitler, passive ally, allying with Stalin, neutrality...NOTHING could had been worse than what actually happened to Poland. That is my opinion!

Why? If those countries were also occupied then what you mean by "didn't fare as bad as Poland"?

Well, most of them stayed quite intact, didn't lose millions and even could keep their own governments...
Nothing compared to Poland.

I'm not asking a German of the 30s and 40s :/ I'm asking you...

Are we about to invade again?
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

I'm no historian. So how do you know this? Could you share any links?

I just edited...
The net is full of new findings, wiki is a good starting point.

Should I repeat this to him?

I wonder if he didn't thought so of this himself...or is your friend a denier of all the russian
atrocities and massacres?

For example, that Poland should become an ally of Third Reich or neutral which would make it easier for Hitler to invade the Soviet Union.

You asked for my opinion even as I told you I'm no Pole...
I think Poland would had fared much better with much less losses of life and complete
destruction if they had allied with one of it's juggernaut neighbours...not aggravating both of them and trusting totally naive far away empty words from London and Paris.

As the historic research shows Hitler WANTED to negotiate and was ready to move in turn for Polish agreements.
That means also that Hitler had NOT the complete destruction of Poland on his mind from the beginning! FACT!

There is alot between ally and neutral. Most countries even in Nazi-occupied Europe didn't fare as bad as Poland.

And you?

I wouldn't be...not as a German of the 30s and 40s, most people weren't.

And rightly so ;)

Yeah...Poland could become totally destroyed and lose half of his population if not...better not negotiating...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

Because that's what he f*cking said.

He played alot of people for fools...if it's any consolation!

How do you know this?

There is some things called history research...you should try some...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Corridor

One of them (a son of a WW2 veteran) called you an ordinary facist scum

Did his papa told him how many girls he raped and nailed on barn doors on his way to
Berlin?

Didn't think so...can I call him now stalinist/commie scum?

So, could you explain why do you write such things...

What things?

So what about all those Russians, Jews and other nationalities who would die and suffer in the result of this?

I don't think he was overtly concerned about them...
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

Hitler made Germans believe everything he did was to right the wrongs, to get Germans "heim in's Reich", to remake the borders of that Treaty of Versailles.

As we now know Hitler would had sacrificed much of the german claims, even Danzig, for polish neutrality/passive support as it would make it much easier for him and the german armies to build up the invasion and fight against Stalin's Russia.

So the "sliver of land" was just a pretence but in another way than you think.
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

BB, if you like it or not - only few Poles would agree that Poles should ally with Hitler. For many - it's unthinkable.

Ask the dead!

I know, Poles still aren't able to forgive them that...

Why?
"They weren't THAT bad!" as you said...

;)

I can't - it's the way I am, sorry... :P

*hangs head*
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

And you advocate the worst choice that there could be :)

Nope...the worst choice was the choice of the polish politicians to annoy and aggravate the neighbours fully trusting "allies" in London and Paris.

NOTHING could had been worse than that what actually happened to Poland 1939-1989.

Deflection and being defensive now? ;)

Why?
Just showing that this wasn't some "good" against "evil" battle right out of the Lord of the Rings but something what happened around Europe for Millennia now...with even Poland taking part in now and then if they had the means.

Nothing surprisingly new and smarter politicians should had looked at the cards, the realities, the real position and means of Poland and acted accordingly.

I can imagine something worse - Polish soldiers hand in hand with the Nazi soldiers.

So you actually give a sh'it about the mass destruction and 6 million killed Poles?

But if you like it or not, most of these deads would have chosen life to a "heroic" death if asked. If you want to die for Jews, Gypsies and Homosexuals you can offer yourself, but don't force your people to do so. The LIFE of your people should be on your mind, not their death, heroic or not!

Stop your moralizing...it's demeaning actually!

I can imagine something worse - Polish soldiers hand in hand with the Nazi soldiers.

PS: The Russians had no problems with it after partitioning Poland with the Germans...they were all smiles!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

And Poles say that it would be like a choice between dżuma (plague) and cholera (cholera) :)
Such a choice is no choice, really...

Well, that's the card you were given...nobody says life is fair or rosy!

Oh and in it's time a more powerful Poland had also no qualms to venture into other peoples land..once or two times till Moscow I've heard.

That's the european dice game! Sometimes you are on top, sometimes you are rock bottom.

Do you think that those people would like the idea of their compatriots colaborating with people who treated them as animals and killed them without a blink of an eye?

They would have liked to stay alive!
As so many people did whose governments were smarter...NOTHING could had been worse than what actually happened!
And they were for sure not happy to accompany Jews or Gypsies or homosexuals as most had no great sympathy for them either.
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

BB... For Hitler and the Nazis Slavs were sub-humans and were supposed to be slaves of the German nation.

Only as enemies!

I think that example of Austria nad Czechoslovakia shows that Hitler wouldn't be satisfied

No, the clash with Stalin was unavoidable...Europe wasn't big enough for both of them.
Poland was in the middle...enemy of both...so stupid!

I wouldn't like for my country and my countrymen to colaborate with the Nazis.

Well...ask 6 million Poles if they would think like you if they could had chosen between death and collaboration, I'm fairly sure what the outcome would be. You won't like it!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
Life / Do Polish People steal a lot? [330]

And can we give up this childish belief that every German who in any way says something positive about Germany during the war years must be a Nazi

Thank you!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
Life / Do Polish People steal a lot? [330]

They were helping ppl. You are really pathetic...

That was humour (smiley!)...and you should help yourself to a dose of wit!

No because of being proud from III Reich...

Quote me before you bring your doubtful theories.

Germany WAS the most advanced and developed country at that time. Not because of the Nazis but because of the Germans! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
History / Warsaw Uprising - The Forgotten Soldiers [117]

Because they colaborated and weren't Slavic countries :S

As I said...Hitler made it up as he did go along. He had no qualms or problems to be allied with Japan (NO ARYANS!!!) either..

An allied Poland would had gotten first class treatment too...

I don't think so...

Of course not, the thought that all that drama and suffering could have been avoided with some smart politics is though stuff.
It's easier to believe the history wouldn't had changed one bit...

Well... We're not talking about Germans now, are we...

If you generally label Nazism as the worst evil to ever walk the earth you should acknowledge the German experience too...

They were quite fond of the nazi ideology also, as I've heard... You know what happened to a big part of Estonian population after the war? You know why there are so many Russians there?

Another people who didn't think of the Nazis as the worst evil either??? Can't be...

Because they colaborated

Full stop!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
Life / Do Polish People steal a lot? [330]

So it seems they were able to steal from their own german granary...

They should be shot!

;)
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
News / Pole loses language discrimination case in Germany; Scandalous! [97]

I doubt if a German parent in a similar situation would be happy if the Polish government seemed to be taking steps to prevent their child from speaking German. (If that's happened then the Polish government would also be in the wrong and I'd be critical of it).

There are to few Germans wanting to immigrate into Poland to compare..yet...maybe that will change over time!
Bratwurst Boy   
28 Jul 2010
Life / Do Polish People steal a lot? [330]

I think it doesnt matter at all.

It matters when you believe german soldiers/officers had nothing better to do than storm polish/jewish huts to steal everything what wasn't nailed down.

This theory becomes much less acceptable if you know where these soldiers/officers came from.

Watch out words you use before someone takes you for a neonazi...

Being proud of my country means being a neo-nazi??? Okay...then I'm a neo-nazi! :)

You were advanced and rich because of part of my family being deported to be a slave labour...

Crap, the war was bad for Germany...a war is expensive and the bombings and all that stuff was not exactly furthering the development. The forced laborer where needed because most german men were busy at the fronts.

It was barely a substitute.
Both wars broke Germany's economy and advancement, not supporting it.

Germany began it's ascent to the most developed country in Europe and world wide already soon after the unification in 1871...totally without forced labourers!