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"Poland's Concentration Camp" ?? [570]
Rough: translation = you have been wrong about every assumption you have made about me so now you try to paint me as a bigot to cover your own desperate exit. Point to just one single fact which I have posted here which is not true, I challenge you.
In the absence of any indication, and based on your veiled comments as to your mysterious persona, one's only left to assume - I still say you're a Pom. Or perhaps you're an Aussie, seeing as you 'hold' a passport. Whatever.
I don't need to paint you as a bigot. I merely pointed it out to you, as your words here convey it plainly. You're a bigot for your own beliefs and a bigot against Poland and more particularly against it's people.
The issue isn't about the 'facts' you post, because that's not what you're doing. You are making allegations and cherry picking to suit your contentions.
I admit that Jews were evil both during and after the war. I admit that the British could have done more. I admit that the RARAF could have done more. But still to you I’m a bigot, because I will not agree that the Poles were entirely and completely innocent.
Your admissions on other issues have nothing to do with your position on Poland, so what's your point? The above argument is akin to saying "I have Jewish friends, therefore I can't be anti semitic".
You claim that my arguments have been trumped.
You say the Polish people have to take responsibility for these so called concentration camps. I point out that the prisons were run by the communists. Communism had no popular backing - it was enforced by an alien power, and facilitated by a minority of "Polish" scumbags. Polish people can't be held responsible for it - it's anathema to the concept of popular government. Your argument might have held some water if it was a democratic government at the time, but it wasn't, the implication being that the individual is responsible in a notional sense for the actions (good or bad) of the government they elected.
Your argument may also have held some water if you had pointed out any benefit derived to the Polish people in general, with such benefits had by virtue of the operation of the camps - the rationale being that you profit from misery, you be responsible when called to account. This didn't happen either, did it Harry.
I confirm your argument is trumped, unless you can counter my proposition.
An anonymous wikipedia writer vs. the US library of congress: who to believe. A bigot who says that even if Poland ran concentration camps pre-war, he’s proud because they locked up Commies, or Norman Davies: who to believe?
Oh - so now you're the mouthpiece of the US Congress Library and of Norman Davies. I shudder at your lack of shame. Norman Davies at least has the academic impartiality to temper his contentions with historical context.
You call me a bigot but fail to question any of my historical facts.
As I've said before, facts without analysis and context mean nothing. Facts, when you mesh them with opinions, as you've done to create your own agenda, lose their authority and meaning.
For example: - FACT- camps in Poland post WW2. OPINION - Polish people must be responsible for that.
All I've done is counter your opinion with facts of my own - I don't need to challenge your 'facts'. You'd have to agree opinions give way to facts.
Here’s the rub for you ‘Ozi’ I hold an Australian passport but unlike you I choose not to remain in a nation which suppresses the indigenous people. You however remain in a racist nation.
My FACT: the Australian Prime Minister and Labour government recently apologised to the aboriginals in a lengthy and pretty exhaustive "sorry" speech.
FACT: the Aboriginal population enjoys a degree of autonomy to conduct their own affairs. They have legal remedies if they are of the view that they are suffering from oppression. True it is to say that the High Court said that their traditional land ownership rights under customary law must give way if they impinge on the Common Law of Australia.
My OPINION: Sure, there may be elements of supression, but because you failed to give me any FACTS to support your OPINION on this point, I could be here forever speculating and assuming what you mean - this is an issue we've had before, isn't it Harry?
Your FACTS: Nil
Your OPINION: Aussie's are racist and by reason of my remaining here, me too.
So you tell me: who’s the bigot?
Need I?
Rough translation: If you love Poland so much. why aren't you here fighting to make it a better place to live?
I don't have the means or opportunity to do so unfortunately. The 'war' I 'fight' is against people such as yourselves. You attack, I defend. Your petty, yet quite poisonous, insults and allegations against Poles are not to my taste. When all is said and done, history is all that's left, and I don't want some kid who comes on here to research his/her heritage to read comments from you or your ilk and take them at face value.
