History / Teaching our kids about Poland's History [57]

@Lyszko: when parents are from different nationalities, a child is genetically binational and hence since Chopin (tfor sure typical Polish name ;)) had a French father (Nicolas Chopin), he was obviously 50-50. You cannot simply forget about his FATHER or may be you mean that Frédéric Chopin was made by the ... Holy Spirit ;). I know that you guys are so much into French bashing (the result of de Gaulle's nationalistic policies and closing American military bases in the early 1960's (1963?) but leaving someone's parents out simply because they do not have "politically correct" (= irony ;)) nationalities does not make sense. No need to teach you how "babies are made" ;). "lol". So Frédéric Chopin was both Polish and French no matter how you put it! . If your mother is for instance Greek and your father is from Sweden, you are obviously a mixture of both and it also applies to kids with Polish mothers and French fathers (or vice versa and of any other combination of nationalities).

And as to Marie Curie, if she could become someone, it was thanks to her husband (Pierre Curie) and the conditions and finances France could offer. If she had stayed in Poland, she would not have made it for all sorts of obvious reasons.

Although of course not my "cup of tea", I could refer to ... Goebbels ... ;)

PS: de Gaulle was nevetheless not seen as the devil by Poles since they have named a Rondo (with a statue) after him in downtown Warsaw.

News / Mass protests needed in Poland in front of American embassy [60]

Complete mess for sure but let's face it! Who needs to have EU destroyed if not ... the US and Russia? EU with a population of 500 million is the largest market and the richest (inspite of all our problems) area in the word so obviously other powers are jealous and their interest is to destroy EU and they are doing so through all these migrants. Both the US and Russia have intervened through financing European main parties (the US finance right wing parties and so called "socialist" parties and Russia finances extreme right wing parties (French FN officially acknowledge being subsidized by Russia (27 million euro offficially expected in 2017) and of course they are not alone to receive money from Russia) so no way to expect some - independence - from our "leaders".

@Ktos: needless to say, demos in front of American embassies won't help.

Work / Average salary in Poland for PhD in IT [40]

@Terri: Yes I well know about it but I started to think about English and wrote about it;).

Work / Average salary in Poland for PhD in IT [40]

@Terri: yes! but if English language is required because of English speaking clients, Indian English language "may" not be the ideal ;).

Feedback / What made you join Polish Forums & whats attractive here? [29]

@Porky: interesting! You are from the US, aren't you. I understand you spend one month every year in Poland, don't you? Yes, Poland can be cheap when we have better incomes than average Poles but unfortunately since the EU, the cost of living has gone up and not too different from what it is in the West 'a lot of things such as shoes, clothes, cosmetics, electric appliances, telephones, computers, (medical care at least compared to France) ) are now as expensive or more expensive in Poland). I see - with my own eyes - ;) but it is now not so much more than it is in provincial French (real estate in Warsaw now costs as much as in SOME French regions inspite of different salaries).... Well, as long as we can pay, no trouble!

@Wulkan: "...phobia" is when one hates a WHOLE country, a WHOLE population based upon clichés and no PERSONAL experiences (tons of such people in PF and of course it is nothing more than plain stupidity). When you like some people in a group and don't like others, it is not "phobia". Although I'm French (I know, a "crime de lèse majesté" for a lot of PF (ignorant) members), there are a lot of French whom I hate: fascists, criminals, rapists, drug dealers, pimps and the like.. (and likewise in all countries) and I do not interact with them so should I be seen as "Francophobic"??? "lol". Please don't use words out of their contents ;). For instance, you, in your country (Germany?), do you like everybody and everything? I doubt it so are you "Germanophobic"????? ;) Miłego dnia!

Feedback / What made you join Polish Forums & whats attractive here? [29]

@Porky: yes interesting for you as a Pole! Basically since living in Poland and connected to Poland through family, I meant to exchange with people living also in Poland re our personal experiences. As we live in Poland, we have good and aslo bad (normal since nothing persfect) experiences. I must say that Poland has become "livable" for us because years ago, it was not (sorry). My first visit to Poland was in .... 1990 and no need to say how it was back them! Well, what I like about Poland? My work, which I organize as I want, with no one on my back, which enables me to meet high level business people and many politicians and to make good money (I have a decent standard of living and don't need to count coins;)) Of course, in my country, any job corresponding to my qualifications would pay much more but I would not be able to deal with the national "elite" like I do in Poland. My very life is very satisfactory in Poland (otherwise of course I would have left) but I had to struggle to achieve what I have achieved and I'm proud of the result ;).

Unfortuntaley, these fora have become very hard as too many trolls (some names just pop up from the the middle of nowhere in some threads, I suppose some already members just open new accounts ;)) are not concerned about discussing re Poland but have for sole purpose to vomit their hatred towards people who happen to be "different". There is too much xenophobia and racism in PF (antisemitism is rightly condemned but strangely all other forms of hatred, such as xenophobia, racism and homophobia are not). Coming from a tolerant and open minded culture, I am most shocked and I admit that never I had never met so many xenophobes and racists before coming to PF. All the Poles I interact with are neither xenophobic nor racist and generally very open minded. It is obvious that racism and xenophobia and to be found among the underprivileged. Some shrinks even think xenophobia, racism and the like are mental diseases.

Anyway, adminstrators/moderators should clean up all messages that are OFF topic. Very often, most messages do not relate to Poland. So maybe instead of calling their fora, POLISH, they should just call them "Fora".

If people could exchange their experiences and talk ONLY about Poland, these fora could be very interesting but unfortunately most posts don't even concern Poland or the Poles. They are a playing ground for idle trolls. Of course, we have different views as per our own backgrounds/experience but no need to hate each other because X is this and Y is that. There are people who do not share my opinions but nevertheless exchange with me in private and we get along fine. I am not sectarian, I accept anybody who is open minded! ;)

Yes, PF could be great but because of xenophobic and racist trolls, it is not the case. It is sad because the idea was good... ;)

Work / Average salary in Poland for PhD in IT [40]

@Delph: even if no "big deal" in Western Europe, 3 or 4,000 euros is great money in Poland (even Warsaw, what % makes this much? ;))and I'm sure that a lof ot Polish guys/girls would accept to work for such money instead of leaving their homes, their families for far away places where they don't always feel comfortable. Strange that companies take Indians. Are Indians more "obedient" than Poles so they could put up with crap Poles would not? I don't know but as I am not naive and know that companies are no philanthropists, I think.....

Work / Average salary in Poland for PhD in IT [40]

@Terri: I believe most of those jobs could be filled in by Poles. No need to import labor from so far away when so many Poles have to go abroad. Not fair to Poles, who should react.

Off-Topic / Since (stupid) stereotypes (about other countries) galore... [10]

@Ziem: and that's why contrary to you, I have been exposed to several cultures and do not rely on clichés. PS: My maiden name is .. Dutch ;) so now, let's bash the Dutch ;)

Sorry, I forgot about Italians, of course, they are in the mafia :)

of course, Pol Attorney, and NO country was, is and ever will be but here some are so convinced ;) that the others are the "evil" and they are "white doves".

Off-Topic / Since (stupid) stereotypes (about other countries) galore... [10]

@PolAttorney: my message was to show rednecks that in my culture too, we have a lot of clichés ;). Of course, all these are stupid but so are all the clichés some of people have about France, Poland and others.

Lack of education and ignorance are very dangerous indeed!

Polonia / Poland and France cultures are similar [112]

@Ziemo: it really shows how stupid you are! You base your theory upon ONE troll who is as Belgian as I'm Chinese. The proof; he wrote about his "French" accent and NO French-speaking Beligian would say/write that they speak with a French accent. (French speakers of Beligum do speak with BELGIAN accents which are different).

French bashing was invented by Americans because of French nationalistic policies of de Gaulle, who kicked Americans out of France and was neither on the American side nor on the Russian side. France in those days was completely neutral and Americans could not swallow it. Futhermore, Chirac was against war in Irak ...

However, grow up and trave! The French are welcomed everywhere. I have travelled maybe to 50 countries, have lived in several of them and NEVER any problem.

Believe me, all the bs you say about France, we, in France, we say the same bs about the other countries, including yours! Do you want to hear? ;)

As to socalled Belgian, let me tell you that Belgium is considered by the French as the "surburb of France" as tiny and boring country. So no reference :)

Life / What don't you like about Poland or Polish People? [117]

@Ktos : spot ! Systematic bashing (based upon mere cliches) reflect insecurity and jealousy. I make a difference between critics based upon personal experience and stupid bashing (too many in PF to name).

When I say "upper crust" i mean the richest. I also happen to be from a historical family (famous name, family home has been turned into State museum, my husband's grandmother was a princess - someone in PF could confirm it) so I kind of know re Polish society. Maybe also the reason why I don't have patience with scumy arch et al.

PS: I loved your post re American embassy. Unfortunately it is probay true...

Polonia / Poland and France cultures are similar [112]

@Labrador :) and Levy: No, no need to be polite since a lot of Poles go to France for shopping and on holiday and a lot of Poles have relatives in France (one million mostly in East and North France) so they know (contrary to Levy;;)

Besides France is not that exotic for Poles ;), they all know about Napoleon (even in their national anthem, Poles mention him), there are a lot of French words in Polish, some Warsaw neighborhoods have French names...

I wonder how a xenophobic Brazilian living in Saudi Arabia who has never lived in France can dare talking about what he had no knowledge of. It beats me. I don't know re Brazil and re Saudi Arabia (don't give a sh... Anyway so don't invent thingd

Levy: stop talking about what you don't know about! Pitiful!

Life / What don't you like about Poland or Polish People? [117]

and yes, in ANY country, the least educated (= the least affluent) are the most prejudiced, the most xenophobic/racist, the most closed minded. More educated (= usually more affluent) learn languages, travel, get informed from various and reliable sources (other than Daily Sh###t, Fox News or YouTube ;)) and as a result are (generally) (more) open minded and (more) tolerant. It is so not only in Poland but everywhere else.

Education is the key to open minds (and by extension educated people are most successful in life).

Well, I need to get ready for work so no time and no desire to continue with trolls! Start your own monologue!

UK, Ireland / Why English do not like Polish? [417]

@Atch!: here again! I once said that a couple of times, I had Polish people disappeared overnight (this attitude was ALSO experienced by some other PF members) so why don't you quote people properly??

A few weeks ago, while talking to a Romanian expat reading a lot about history and about Poland, she told me something that makes sense to me. Poles don't call "friends" people unless they have known them for years and do not call "friends" people they have interacted with for no more than a few weeks (my case) or months and as a consequence they may disappear overnight because for them we are not "friends". As a westerner, I consider people after a few weeks as "friends", but Poles don't see it this way.

Atch: yes, are you so hostile? I thought that in your Church, you were taught to love everybody.

Or something else, you seem so obsessed by me! Are you in ... love with me? If so, too bad, because I'm not a lesbian ;)

To finish, instead of misunderstanding people and since you are bored (otherwise you would not need scapegoats), why don't you find yourself a job or go for a walk?

Life / What don't you like about Poland or Polish People? [117]

What is the problem? ,). Even if I interact with the "upper crust", why should I not want that the very poor get a better deal (the rich would still be very rich)? In Poland the differences between social classes are very wide and much wider than in most European countries. Not only it is morally wrong and it is also dangerous for democracy!

What's so difficult to understand?

Polonia / Poland and France cultures are similar [112]

@Johnny: You know, we also have clichés about ANY other country, including the US (a country of "uncultured obese bigots") but since I have lived in the US, I know that not all Americans are like this. Educated and cultured Americans love France and the French.

Yes, (and I'm proud of it), we are not religious (only 15% - ALL religions - do practice on regular basis). In 1905, the State separated itsefl from religion and since then religion is a mere private thing (no public financing, no religion in schools..). And as to "socialism", I would like to see some in France but never have. Yes, we have a great welfare system (although being reduced because of rightwing policies but probably second after Scandinavia's) but this is not "socialism" but I know for Americans everybody is "socialist" ;).

But one question: do you speak French? Have you lived in France? I suppose the answers are NO. So how can you "hate" people you don't know?

Fortunately, in Poland, France and the French are really liked. Whenever I say that I am French, the reaction is "beautiful country, beautiful language!

Don't worry, I know that French bashing is the trademark of low educated and low class people so being "insutled" by them is like a compliment!

Besides, not to like someone is to give them importance, isn"t it? ;)

Bonne journée! ;)

PS: I am FED UP of that coninuous bashing in a POLISH forum by people who do not know anything.

Life / What don't you like about Poland or Polish People? [117]

@Adrian: thanks for your comments! Yes, Poles like any other population are not perfect and among them anything can be found.

You crack me up when writing about nosy older women! I have experienced them quite a few times and I was amazed! Yes, not rare that out of the blue, they start asking personal questions (whether we are married, have kids (not too "bad") but how much we earn, how much we paid for our flat....) even if we have never met before. Now, when asked such questions, I just tell them some BS in French and give them a dirty look and they go away.

And yes, too many (most) Poles are still so closed minded, prejudiced and xenophobic and that is what I don't like. Well, no sweat, because I only interact with educated/well off classes, who obviously travel, learn languages and are open. Also, what I don't like in Poland is the deep social inequality (I have often read that Poland was among the least equalitarian societies in Europe), really too much difference between classes and too me this is wrong. And yes, like you write, prices for real estate (especially in cities) are completely disconnected from Polish average salaries. I freak out when I hear people taking credit for some 40 years (I do know people in said situation) in order to buy a lousy flat.

UK, Ireland / Why English do not like Polish? [417]

@Labrador: yes, most Pf members are sickening as they are prejudiced, uneducated, limited so write a lot of BS but there are also some nice people so don't go away! :)

@Lenka: 100% agreed but you know, those rednecks do the same not only with Poland and the Poles but with almost any country. They of course don't know anything so have to rely on (stupid) clichés or AT MOST they have met ONE person and they generalize to the WHOLE population.

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I do live in Poland, had a Polish husband, have family in Poland, have met tens of thousands of Poles and I can say, people are not the same ;). It is of course the same in ANY other country. In any given population, everything and its contrary and anything in between can be found.

Yes some Poles are truly a####holes and some Poles are great and this applies to ANY nationality. It seems obvious to me but considering the high % of rednecks in this forum, it is necessary to stress it ;)

Needless to say, I do NOT judge people according to their passport ;). I have intereacted with probably all over 50 different nationalities, all colors, all creeds and NO problem! I have lived in several countries and here again NO problem!

@Rednecks: do learn languages, travel, meet people and you'll discover a lot of great people instead of staying in front of your computer and keeping your (stupid) préjudices against X or Y.

Polonia / Poland and France cultures are similar [112]

Dixit a Brazilian living in Saudi Arabia who has said he has never been to France! Are you guys so stupid to rely on Anglo clichés? The French TOO could say any bs about ANY country, including UK, Us, Poland, Brazil (country of transsexuals ;), and all others...

As to comparing French and Polish cultures stupid. And yes, French culture is strong and well alive and all the French are so proud.

I have noticed that ONLY uneducated and lo w class rednecks "hate" France and the French. I have lived in a lot of countries including Poland and educated people love France and everything French. Polish people love France and the French!:).

Fed up with all those racist and xenophobic posts!

Work / Average salary in Poland for PhD in IT [40]

@Angry: absolutely! Why not hiring Poles? I don't get it..

News / Polish magazine causes outrage with cover showing white woman being sexually attacked by 'migrants' [57]

Yes, I agree, Adrian, but there are NO "no go" zones since police is present and even people like me can go too. It is for sure a problem and it is so all over (in Polish towns too bad neighborhoods). What i'm arguing about is that they are NOT NO go zones.

Ps: French authorities are concerned about solving problem

News / Polish magazine causes outrage with cover showing white woman being sexually attacked by 'migrants' [57]

@Delph: most of American media are nauseating with all their lies re Europe (and elsewhere). You'll notice that every time they tell some BS about another country, the embassy of said country complains and the American media have to apologize.

Their invention of "no go" zones in Europe is of course pure BS and they have NEVER been able to give exact locations. Of course there are bad neighborhoods (no bad neighborhoods in the US ??? ;););) ) but they are NOT "no-go" zones.

The problem is that most Americans never travel, don't know other languages so they rely on what their media tell them to believe.

PS: of course, any European town is safer than the US!

Back on topic - this discussion should be about Poland

News / Polish magazine causes outrage with cover showing white woman being sexually attacked by 'migrants' [57]

@Adrian: have you ever lived in (Western) Europe? I doubt it otherwise you would not buy any BS from Fox News, CNN or other populists! Telling people that in Europe there are "no-go" zones is a lie and an invention from American populists. The proof: evey time they issue lies and other BS, they have to apologize to embassies of countries concerned because said embassies complain (and they are right) and of course they have NEVER been able to submit lists with EXACT locations. They just say in country x or country y there are "no go" zones but where exactly?????

Of course, in every country in Western Europe(and elsewhere), there are bad neighborhoods (like in any town in the world) mostly inhabited by immigrants or immigrants's kids BUT the police (and sometimes army in some countries) DO intervene and are constantly present (= police stations opened all the time). Saying the opposite shows that you do not know anything about reality. A bad neighborhood does NOT make it a "no-go" zone. I can assure you that Moleenbeck is also a "normal town" but your American media "forgot" to show it ;).

What PERSONAL experience do you have? I suppose NONE so please have the intelligence of not talking about what you don't know of.

Like Goebbels (sorry, not my guru) said "a lie repeated thousands of times does not make it to be true".

Well, I'm going to be contradicted by Americans and others who have NEVER had any PERSONAL experience but it fits me because I know that they are not serious.

Please stop buying any s]]t from medias. The only way to learn about things is through personal experience

Life / Polish culture versus rotten West [279]

@Atch: to finish re topic. 99% of my posts deal with Poland ;). When I mention France, it is only when country is attacked by low educated monolingual ignorant rednecks as I'm against letting things that are not true unanswered. Since you have so much time and you are bored, do check all my messages. Furthermore, someone in PF gave my nationality and I did not because irrelevant and like I said, no pride no shame to be x or y. Obviously you have nothing to write about Poland. All you want us to read is that you are from Ireland but who gives a dam&&& where you are from? ;

Adieu!;)

Life / Polish culture versus rotten West [279]

@Atch: to finish, who cares what nationality you, I or others have? There is neither pride nor shame of being from X or Y country ;). I am myself a "product" of 3 different nationalities and I am not going to be awarded a medal the way you expect to be put onto a pedastal because you are ... Irish ("mdr"). Of course, we see things through our own experience (I do too obviously) but in your case, it is different because you ONLY talk about Ireland (and of course how the best you guys are in everything) and NEVER re Poland.

What % of your posts are about Poland? Not even 1% ;)

Life / Polish culture versus rotten West [279]

@Dolno! please be objective! There is a difference between mentioning a few personal background facts in oder to illustrate something (what we all do) and writing only off topic messages the way Atch does. All posts from Atch concern Ireland, how great everything is over there but nothing re Poland. Obviously she does not know anything about Poland and I'm sure there are plenty of Irish fora where she'll be able to write all she wants.

As of today (well, I'll be at work at 11 so I need get ready ;)), I no longer read her because NOTHING re Poland. If I am in a POLISH forum, it is because I live in Poland and am connected to Poland through my (in-law) family. Poland and NOT Ireland or any other country is OUR link.

I don't understand why Mods put up with all Atch's off topic messages....

Work / Average salary in Poland for PhD in IT [40]

@Chemi and Terry! 100% yes! Such questions really amaze me and also shock me since I know Polish reality. Since I know Polish reality, I think such OPs should not be concerned about their salaries but rather about Polish reality. First of all, it is going to be very hard for them to find a Polish landlord/lady. In the West, it is already difficult for a "different looking" foreigner to rent accommodation so don't tell me in Poland, no problem to be expected because 100% false! Besides the renting thing, they should also be concerned about being stigmatized, being stared at/insulted.., about the weather.....

Poland being a closed society won't be easy for them and that it what they should be concerned about.

Classifieds / Where to find English - speaking community in Warsaw? [15]

@Dolno: ok! ;). In my culture, too, it means "to have contacts with" but obviously the other (new?) member played around ;);).