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And you wonder why there is Anti-Polish feeling in the UK [187]
What context, ifor?
A programme you haven't watched.
I know what the programme was all about, I know what problems there are with football hooligans, I read Polish newspapers and watch Polish TV. So what kind of context would change my mind about what Sol Camblell said?
A programme you haven't watched.
His comment was over the line.
No, it wasn't. But you wouldn't know that because you haven't watched the programme.
Are you telling me England national football team's black players didn't bring their families to Euro 2012 because they were afraid they will end up in a coffin?
Yes, some of the players didn't bring their families because they were scared off by violence. Or so it was stated in a programme you haven't seen.
Ifor, ffs, what me watching the programme would change anything?
You'd be able to provide an informed opinion on it.
Personally, I wouldn't judge a programme good or bad without watching it for myself.
You "believe"? What were his experiences?
You keep asking me questions, and I simply reply to the best of my knowledge. I am not Sol Campbell's biographer. As far as I remember, England played in Poland during the time Sol Campbell was England captain. I write, "I believe" because I don't know for certain, and therefore might be wrong.
I don't know what his experiences were. I am not a member of his family or close friend. I can tell you what my experiences are, but not his.
Sure, ifor, now I guess we should make a programme about Polish shops being destroyed in the UK, we will get goofy (or even better - me, since I don't live in the UK) in it and he will say "don't open Polish shops in the UK or they will be destroyed!" After all, I gave you an example of a reported case of a Polish shop targeted by far right. If the British authorities cannot guarantee the safety of Polish shops then there should be no Polish shops in the UK and the UK shouldn't have the right to call itself a tolerant country.
If someone made a programme about Polish shops being destroyed in England, then I would watch the programme and then comment.
I wouldn't condemn the programme without ever having seen it, or at least I hope I wouldn't.
Ifor, I'm not pretending the thugs and far right in the stadiums don't exist
Good, so you should welcome the fact that someone highlighted this problem, then.
everyone knows about them and everyone complains about them (yes, Poles complain about them, did you know?).
But non-Poles presumably can't?
As I wrtote at least two times already, I haven't seen the programme, yes, I've heard it's unbalanced, etc., also from a very normal, educated, liberal, travelled, successful Polish guy who's a great fan of football and goes to matches with his sons (he lives in Warsaw).
That's his opinion, which of course, he's entitled to, as am I, as is Sol Campbell, as are you. But I'd say our opinions are more valid than yours because we've seen a programme and then commented on it, rather than merely commented on something we haven't actually seen.
A number of people were interviewed. So why don't you stop asking me questions, and watch the film for yourself!