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Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Is there any chance for you that an advice of an air traffic controller was perhaps a lonely voice of an angel trying to rescue president from what had followed? He just was not listened well, perhaps.

Anything is "possible" in dreamland...what is most likely? Pilots of this caliber don't end up flying heads of state if they have a history of "not listening well." That is called "kamikaze." Pilot in this case was fluent in Russian and English and had just landed a plane there 3 days earlier.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Important thing in conspiracy theory is to find motives - who benefit and how?

Who benefits? Putin & Tusk
How? 1) Tusk's archrival is eliminated. It's common knowledge he despised Kaczynski. Now Tusk is considering running for presidency, with Putin's support. 2) Tusk, if elected, will withdraw Poland from plans for missile defense shield=Putin very happy.

"The plane crash that killed Poland's president and leading opposition politicians has removed at one stroke key opponents of Prime Minister Donald Tusk and his ruling centrist Civic Platform"

"Polish premier's ill-fated trip shrouded in acrimony...

The ill-fated journey that wiped out Poland's governing elite on Saturday was prompted by an angry feud between President Lech Kaczynski and his Prime Minister over the country's tense relationship with Russia, it has emerged."

"Vladimir Putin's brotherly embrace of a tearful Polish prime minister was one of the most powerful images beamed from the site of Saturday's plane crash that killed Poland's president and many of the country's elite."

"Poland PM Tusk Considers Running for President"

"The death of Poland's president carries a terrible echo of his country's past...When government ministers tried to haggle with America about a planned missile-defence base, he undercut them. Poland would be happy to have the installation on any terms. To Mr Kaczyński, his brother, and many of their supporters, Russia was still a menace, run by the former KGB... his arch-rival Donald Tusk..."

"Donald Tusk - a friend of Russia? Donald Tusk also hinted that the ABM issue has not been finalized and, hence, Moscow has a chance to persuade Warsaw not to host the American missile interceptors...Tusk mentioned one more problem in bilateral relations. Warsaw may "adjust its position" on oil and gas supplies. He meant primarily Yaroslaw Kaczynski's decision to build a terminal on the Baltic coast - in the event that Moscow stops gas supplies via the Yamal-Europe pipeline.

"Redzikowo Missile Defense Shield"
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Surely. I would bet - not less than 14-15 yrs ago, since so fluent English in addition to native Polish takes some time.. ;) Or it was Polish in addition to native English? ;) If so, I will double lower limit - Polish is not so easy to learn.

Your smarminess is unbecoming.
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

but just because a bunch of russians say they have nothing to gain do not be convinced

That's precisely what I find so ironic--that, having been lied to for 70 years about Katyn, Polacy are still naive enough to so quickly accept this latest Kremlin version of events, no questions asked. Ask yourselves, who had the means, the motive and, of course, the opportunity? Taken with the circumstances, and events that led up to it, I think it's obvious. What--like air controllers can't be bribed or threatened? Look who's in charge...
Olga   
14 Apr 2010
News / New Polish president and Russian/American relations [37]

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265482/Leck-Kaczynski-Russia- engineered-plane-crash-claims-Polish-MP

"Vladimir Putin's brotherly embrace of a tearful Polish prime minister was one of the most powerful images beamed from the site of Saturday's plane crash that killed Poland's president and many of the country's elite."

reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63A1CZ20100412

"The plane crash that killed Poland's president and leading opposition politicians has removed at one stroke key opponents of Prime Minister Donald Tusk and his ruling centrist Civic Platform"

"Poland PM Tusk Considers Running for President"

"Donald Tusk - a friend of Russia? Donald Tusk also hinted that the ABM issue has not been finalized and, hence, Moscow has a chance to persuade Warsaw not to host the American missile interceptors...Tusk mentioned one more problem in bilateral relations. Warsaw may "adjust its position" on oil and gas supplies. He meant primarily Yaroslaw Kaczynski's decision to build a terminal on the Baltic coast - in the event that Moscow stops gas supplies via the Yamal-Europe pipeline.

en.rian.ru/analysis/20071123/89337291.html

"The death of Poland's president carries a terrible echo of his country's past...When government ministers tried to haggle with America about a planned missile-defence base, he undercut them. Poland would be happy to have the installation on any terms. To Mr Kaczyński, his brother, and many of their supporters, Russia was still a menace, run by the former KGB... his arch-rival Donald Tusk

"Redzikowo Missile Defense Shield"

"Diplomats mull practical impact of Polish air disaster...A senior Russian diplomat has said that the emotions generated by the Polish plane disaster could help the two sides to work together in future. Asked if the new atmosphere in bilateral relations could have practical consequences, Mr Chizhov said: "I certainly hope so. There are issues that we could work on jointly, issues related to regional co-operation in the Baltic Sea zone, issues related to transport links, to energy - provided there is political will."

euobserver.com/9/29847

"Polish President Kaczynski was nationalist, pro-U.S"

"Polish premier's ill-fated trip shrouded in acrimony...

The ill-fated journey that wiped out Poland's governing elite on Saturday was prompted by an angry feud between President Lech Kaczynski and his Prime Minister over the country's tense relationship with Russia, it has emerged."

"Throughout history, Russian leaders have sought to suppress dissent by driving critics into exile - or worse"

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Therein lie the answers...
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

There are at least two things which does not fit into the version that the Russians who alive would do it:

1. They would not try to divert flight to other cities then.
2. They would not need it as this president was likely to lose next elections.

But it is only unofficial Russian version claiming so-called "diversions" to other cities. And revenge would fit, no?

"The crash also took an icon of Poland's Solidarity freedom movement,
80-year-old Anna Walentynowicz. Workers at the Lenin Shipyard in
Gdansk went on strike when Walentynowicz was fired from her job as
a crane operator in August 1980 for her opposition activity.
That sparked strikes that spread to other plants across the nation, giving
rise to the movement that helped bring about the demise of communism
in Poland nine years later."

--The Associated Press
kyivpost.com/news/world/detail/63754/
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Shut your mouth up, PLEASE Olga!!
You and most of others on PF here, wildrover included!!! making us Poles suffer much longer ...
We, Poles need time and we need time to mourn... don't desturb that!!!...
we need to re-think some things...

I too am Polish, kochani moji, and I am mourning as well, but angry. I am not trying to upset anyone, just warning to be prepared. Jescze Polska nie zginela...
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Who perpetrated Katyn I? Stalin I. And now Stalin II at Smolensk airport perpetrated Katyn II.

...its very easy to bring down an aircraft , especially when its flying low on approach to an airport , one man with a hand portable missile can do it , not a problem..!

So you are saying farmer neighbor next to airport has hand portable missile somewhere? Not very likely.

Doing this without leaving any shred of evidence is another matter..it just would not be possible...

On the contrary, if you are in charge and dictating the investigation and have KGB inside knowledge at your disposal--very possible and more than likely, in this case. Are you aware that Polish aviation investigators have not yet been permitted by Russian authorities to examine the crash site?

Here is excellent article written in Polish:
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

czar
Edited by: czar Today, 12:52 #75
poland is still suffering from the katyn today
russia is still benefiting from katyn since stalin times
stalin and katyn were based on revenge

And Poland is again getting her nose rubbed in it. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Are you aware that your ideas (such ideas) lead Poland and complete NATO/EU in military conflict with Russia? Are you aware that, if you are right, Russia in fact attacked one NATO country and started war, possible even nuclear war? Because Russia was motivated by revenge on Kaczynski, by your words?!

Communist Bloc Eastern Europe is a "preferable" option to WWIII, and Putin knows that's how the world feels. So they will let him have it in order to avoid war. As for future of Eastern Europeans & Russians--back to behind Iron Curtain. Proletariat serfs, like before.
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Can you comprehend what you talking about? What are you?

Yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Try to not get so emotional--Putin certainly isn't. Putin's hero is Stalin (well known fact) and Putin's goal is to create Imperial Russia II with himself as czar. West stands in the way, so get rid of neighboring western influence in Georgia (recall tanks), Ukraine (recall attempted assasination of pro-west Yushchenko and election of Kremlin-backed Yanukovich), and now Poland (convenient "accident" removing pro-West pain-in-the-ass Kaczynski). Hitler and Stalin too had similar ambitions, Putin is simply following "tradition." Anyway, one does not become a lietenant colonel in the KGB and a two-term Russian president (soon third term once Medvedev is out) by being a wallflower with a high moral character. Why do you think everyone is so afraid of Putin (and YES, the world IS very afraid of him--with Russians the most scared because of the killings in Russia of Putin's opponents. This is not about Russia-Polish relations; this is all about politics and power.
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

The best predictor for someone's motives are past actions. So for Putin you need only look as far as Politkovskaya and other outspoken journalists, Yushchenko (dioxin poisoning), Litvinenko (polonium 210--of all poisons, oh my!). Why you think so many Russians (Putin's foes) flee to London? Putin is not a difficult man to decipher if you understand his mentality.
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Russia has nothing to gain from such an act , and so very much to lose

Quite the opposite--much to gain and little to lose. Little to lose because no country dares mess with Russia and suffer her wrath. Putin knows damn well he holds the aces and that nobody is so stupid as to dare starting a war over this. Gain--much indeed; too much to go into here...but if you clicked on the link I provided earlier that's a start.
Olga   
13 Apr 2010
News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

don`t say that you believe that Russia expect that if there is no Kaczynski, there won`t be missile shield in Poland? Its naive

No, motive was simply revenge as it was with Litvinenko, Yushchenko et al. Recall that Yushchenko too, like Kaczynski, was pro-West. Also, getting rid of Kaczynski will certainly discourage his successor from keeping Poland in this missile defense deal, as it is well known how furious Putin was with it. So, to avoid Putin's fury and therefore similar fate as Kaczynski, successor to Polish presidency will likely think twice.