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Bratwurst Boy   
31 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

Pawian has a point here, BB. Gierek wasn't the best of leaders but he improved the standard of living for many miners. Check the wealth ratings for voivoidships and regions back then and you will see.

I have no idea about that...I only know about the millions of Silesians leaving for Germany...didn't look like a nice place to be...but I can be wrong though.

I swear to God. B Boy.... I will place you in command of polish freedom fighters as soon as you agree, then I will finance an armored division and order you to win Lwów for us. :-). You enlist others, they may speak german, silesian or whatever :-)

Only when I get a helmet!!!
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

You know you are being nasty now...

I'm just answering in kind!

And actually I tire of these talks...since I became a member of PF these topics arise again and again and again. And all links were already posted at least once and all possible arguments exchanged at least twice...how about using the PF search function for once?

Nothing new happened during the last years, seriously! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

It doesn`t matter now. What I thought funny was your omitting it in your posts.

Man, excuse me...as I'm the only one bringing facts and history to the table here anyhow.

On the other hand, it is completely unknown in German teaching. Probably.

Most people know that there was a difference between upper Silesia with a polish majority and lower Silesia with a clear german majority.

Most Poles even today deny any german majority at all...;)
Bratwurst Boy   
31 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

Oh please! Of course, the possibility of a land grab of a rich region had of course NOTHING to do with it....of course not...suuuuuuure!

That is one of these dear polish myths actually...those brave, patriotic miners fighting for their freedom against the german beasts! *snicker*

Isn't it ironic that Silesia flourished under prussian, german rule and detoriated under polish rules and that so so many Silesians voted with their feet for Germany even decades later...
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

that is not what the conclusion was.. that's why the protest and then a win..

They (The league of Nations) really tried to find a pragmatic solution, but it was not easy with the Poles always demanding more and more and more and with many places so heavily mixed...the towns overwhelmingly German with the farms around more Polish.

The polish nationalist policy didn't help...they tried everything to heat up nationalist and ethnical strife (like with the uprisings) and used that to further unrest and fights.

If it had gone as the Poles wanted there would had been a mass ethnical cleansing in Silesia already before the war!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

no, it was these "silesians" that really weren't that cast their "votes".. you know, Chicago style.

Oh forget about it....this plebiscite was controlled and observed by the League of Nations and counted as fair and square in the end.
OF COURSE the Poles protested as they lost this voting clearly! ROFL

but klose and podli left under communism.

And because of the opression of the german silesian minority...they could use the german law what made those of german ancestry to german citizens if they so chose.

They could have immigrated everywhere...to the US, to Great Britain, to France...but they chose Germany!

There had been several such waves of immigration...the latest during the 80's with around a million Silesians leaving.
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

Bratwurst: if I ever wanted to regain Lwów for Poland I would employ you. :-)

Nah...my russian is rusty at best! :)

lower silesia was more german because you guys germanized it. ;P :D

I don't remember any mass expellations of millions of Poles...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia#History

And we were there first! ;)

Silesia has been inhabited from time immemorial by people of multiple ethnic groups. Germanic tribes were first recorded within Silesia in the 1st century. Slavic peoples arrived in this territory around the 6th century.

because the germans monkeyed with the votes.. you even said that yourself earlier.. thus it didn't really count..

Yeah..they were the majority in many places...who had no interest to live in a polish state...how bad of them! How dare they to skew the votes like that!!! :(

Not wanting to live in a polish state had many Silesians actually in common. Millions left Poland over the decades to live in Germany!
Thank you Klose, thank you Poldi! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

After all, there were 3 Uprisings against Germans in Silesia.

The uprisings where a tool by Warsaw to get more of the cake they already got with the help of the Treaty of Versailles.

After all Silesia was the richest region, most industrial developed with rich coal fields...

The League of Nations organized a plebiscite to decide the issue in 1921, whose results (disputed by Poland) were skewed by the German population and therefore wished to remain part of Germany.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia#History

"Skewed by the German population" my arse! Yeah....they voted overwhelmingly for staying in Germany...:)

But there really was a difference between upper and lower Silesia...upper Silesia more polish and lower Silesia being nearly totally German.

The most discussed of these three plebiscites in the German East was the one in Upper Silesia, since the region was one of Germany's principal industrial centers.
The most important economic asset was the enormous coal-mining industry and its ancillary businesses, but the area yielded iron, zinc, and lead as well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Silesia_plebiscite
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

That's why I see now the silesian future more rosy...alot of Germans are investing there...not only because it's so near to Germany but because of old family ties and maybe they are really different to other Poles from other parts of the country, who knows.

But I don't know how such a separation movement should work...to many "polish Poles" are living there now...they have nothing to do with the Silesians of old or the silesian culture and customs.
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

yet, you're the one who supplied the other link.. are you slipping? ;)

Somehow you really have problems to understand the chain of events:

After World War II, Polish authorities banned the use of the German language altogether

A culture, yes, but to polonize the language, if it isn't already slavonic, would not work.

You don't need to polonize a language, only the people speaking it! Terrorize one generation into Poles and you make sure the next generation grows up as Poles, speaking polish....there is nothing new in that...

Happened on both sides during the centuries!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

The right of passage and right to own land are enough :)

My saying :)

And as I said...that isn't the Silesia of old anymore anyhow...

who is playing dumb and who needs to catch up? see below bud.

You are denying german history in western Poland alltogether...you are an ignorant dumb, that's all!
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

you must not have read your own link; thanks for proving i am right once again:

ROFL, my grandparents surely did not speak something Slavic...so don't do the people in the video! ;)

Lower Silesian language (Lower Silesian: Schläsch), is a German dialect spoken in Lower Silesia. Today, the area is mainly in southwestern Poland, but as well as in northeastern Czech Republic and in eastern Germany. The group of dialects is nearly extinct.

This language is not to be confused with Silesian language, a Slavic dialect spoken today by the majority of inhabitants

/wiki/Lower_Silesian_language
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

the language got polonized? i thought it was surpressed? which is it? can't really be both.

You are playing dumb now, aren't you? ;)
How do you think polonizing works? Or Germanizing....or any other "-izing".
You opress the language, the customs, people change their names to not be discriminated, become more polish than the real Poles to avoid punishments...or just leave.

Millions of Silesians left for Germany during the decades...

Just read some more and inform yourself....you have alot of catching up to do.
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

If you can accept Kosovo's independence, you can accept that.

Erm...when did I say ever otherwise Seanie?

Please quote me....

The much cherished, successfull, colorful, precious Silesia is long gone ...most people living there now are just Poles.
I don't want that back, sorry! ;)
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

ok delph... so now because poles live there, the silesian language all of a sudden changed to polish dialect? niiice. lol it's that last statement of mine that got you worried, isn't it? ;) :D

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia

Yes, everything what pointed to a non-polish history was scratched out of polish history books, out of polish life for decades.
The danger that Germans would have really have a claim to these lands could not be supported at all costs.
You are the product of this brainwashing.

Gladly...you are from yesterday and more and more people are interested in the true history! :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_language

Until 1945 Silesian was also spoken in enclaves in Lower Silesia, as Lower Silesian language was spoken by the ethnic German majority population of that region at the time.

Silesian became "polish" by force after 1945...that means the language and the land. It was not polish before, neither the language nor the land. It's called "polonization"!

not at all.. i see it for what it is. not some wishful thinking that it's more german then anything.. :)

Oh boy...just inform yourself better...it's all there in the open for you to read about silesian history!

Look what I found! :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Wikipedia
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

they don't feel different at all.. their language is not german.. very much PLish dialect, like i said.. can you understand anything they said? click that silesia radio link.. can you understand any of the writing?

Since Million of real Silesians left and where substituted by eastern Poles and 50 years of skewed commie education I'm pleasantly surprised some still do remember....

that you're probably actually more polish then german.. sorry bud.. i know this news has to be hard for you to take.. but keep hanging around here, brother kraut, we'll change you into bigos yet. ;) :D :D

Don't play daft...even in this thread I counted myself openly as german-silesian...descendants from real Silesians. That many parts of my family stem from several towns and villages in lower Silesia.

That doesn't make me polish even if you would wish it so...;)

You really seem to have a hard time accepting Silesians and Silesians past as what they were, why is that???
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
History / When will you Poles give back German land and the cities which you robbed? [557]

Because they are German or pretend to be ones. The bald guy says: Mein Gott! No Pole says things like that, even heavily drunk! :):):):):)

They are Silesians! Silesians had been a precious mix...Silesia was the most advanced country compared to the more agraraian east... heavily industrialized with good infrastructure.

The people had been a mix of Germans, Czechs, Poles...german work ethic prevailed...hence the success of Silesia before it fell to Poland and many Silesians got expelled.

are Poles not germans.. "their" language is really just polish dialect.. just like lemko or góralski.

Silesian is heavily german influenced (or it was). Mixed as the people had been. I understand if they feel different to the "ordinary" peasant Poles from further East....

Of course the whole silesian history and the german heritage was a "no no" for decades, a taboo in polish schools...but as I said before and the links I brought show that too...Poles re-discover their german heritage..so does Silesia! :)
Bratwurst Boy   
30 Aug 2010
Life / How can Polish immigrants complain about other immigrants? [65]

Alot of blahblah in that wiki page..."martial race" my arse...what battles did they win against the Germans (wanna know that too)...

Nepalese (Ghurkas are Nepalese after all) are small, dirt poor people, barely 1.50 m...with turban, I don't think anybody was afraid of them.

And what did they do against the chinese opressors and occupiers during the last decades if they were such a "martial race"? Not much I fear.

I read in some british book that the german soldiers where totally awed about the heroic Ghurkas...but I never found any german story about that they ever met one. So sorry if I don't believe that...looks like wartime propaganda to me.