History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

Why to rename? I didn't propose to rename something...

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


I do not declare, I just provide links from Wikipedia.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


Needs to take school lessons of geography. It's map of USSR, not Russia, naïve...

I would want to visit Lubeck. The city which was founded by my linguistic relatives and named in honour of "love" is
must to visit.


I think, believe of Poles that name of this town is of Celtic origins could be wrong.
"Tyn" is word of Slavic origin and means "fence". Russian and Belorussian word
тын «тин», Old Russian тинъ as well as Polish tyn, ancient Slavic тынъ, Proto-Slavic
tynъ is present in majority of Slavic languages and could be as well a borrowing from
Germanic languages. But could be also borrowing by Germanic from Slavic.
uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%BD
No Celtic origins of this word found. Polish "researches" constantly tend to find Germanic
and Celtic "roots" in Poland wherever there aren't.

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The Polabian name for Lüneburg is Glain (written as Chlein or Glein in older German sources), probably derived from glaino (Slavonic: glina) which means "clay". In spite of its lucrative saltworks, Lüneburg was originally subordinated to the town of Bardowick only a few miles to the north. Bardowick was older and was an important trading post for the Slavs.

Luckenwalde. The former Slavic settlement of Lugkin was conquered by Margrave Conrad Wettin of Meissen in the course of the 1147 Wendish Crusade.

The Polabian name for Uelzen is Wilcaus (spelled Wiltzaus in older German reference material), possibly derived from wilca or wilsa (< Slavic *olăša) 'alder'.

Map of Germany with some cities and towns founded by Slavs in red. Do not afraid, red in this case doesn't mean communists.

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History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

Interesting, how treatment of Slavs by some German Nazi would change if he/she would discover he/she has
some Slavic ancestor?

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By the 7th century, Slavic peoples are believed to have settled in the Brandenburg area. The Slavs expanded from the east, possibly driven from their homelands in present-day Ukraine and perhaps Belarus by the invasions of the Huns and Avars.

In any case many Sorbian words and names are intelligible to me through Russian.


Svarog was one of the main pagan gods of the Eastern Slavs as well.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svarog


There was also Ratibor of Kiev, one of the nobles close to prince.


Liubit' means "to love" in Russian.


Grad is archaic for city in Russian ( now - Gorod).


Var - boiled water and Varit' - to boil are words in Russian.

Etc.

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Strangely, many people in Germany still believe or at least express their mind on forums (usually their name is Andreas) that Germans and Slavs belong to different races of people. What is defined as "a race" by the way?

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

I do not know what you are talking about but all citations highlighted in bold are taken by me directly from Wikipedia.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

Other interesting facts:

Adolf Hitler, Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, is believed to belong to Y-DNA Haplogroup E1b1b1 (E-M35), an haplogroup which originated in East Africa about 22,400 years BP.

Nicholas II of Russia has been predicted as having an R1b haplotype.

I've heard that German Nazies believed that South of Germany is not enough pure in racial sense. Therefore they sent troops from Prussia region,

to Bavaria "to improve purity of local population". Maybe somebody could find a ref. for those events? If we take in account higher percentage of Slavic blood and lighter pigmentation amongst North-Eastern Germans, I have suspicion that Nordic ideal of Hitler was in reality based in high degree on blond and blue-eyed Slavic type...

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


I still didn't see some reliable and clear link which would state that.


That's good. But I hope that European genetics will be matter of objective and scientifically proved discussion.


It proves that many Germans indeed have Celtic and Slavic descend. Probably you will be wondered to discover that: 23% of North East Germans have R1a haplogroup. eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml

Majority of cities in East Germany and some cities in Western Germany such as Lubeck were built by Slavs.
For example: Around AD 700 Slavic peoples started coming into the eastern parts of Holstein which had previously been settled by Germanic inhabitants who had left in the course of the Migration Period. In the early 9th century Charlemagne, whose attempts to Christianise the area were opposed by the Saxons, moved the Saxons out and brought in Polabian Slavs, allied to Charlemagne, in their stead. Liubice ("lovely") was founded on the banks of the river Trave about four kilometres north of the present-day city centre of Lübeck.

Around the late 12th century, a Slavic settlement called Drežïany[6] had developed on the southern bank. Another settlement existed on the northern bank, but its Slavic name is unclear. It was known as Antiqua Dresdin verifiable since 1350 and later as Altendresden,[6][7] both literally "old Dresden".

Leipzig is derived from the Slavic word Lipsk, which means "settlement where the linden trees (British English: lime trees; U.S. English: basswood trees) stand".

The first recorded date in the history of Berlin is 1237, when the town is first mentioned in a title deed. Compared to other European capitals such as Rome, Paris or London, therefore, Berlin is a young city. Although the marshy area around the junctions of the Spree, Havel and Dahme rivers had been inhabited since the Bronze Age, the settlement at Berlin was founded by the Slavs, probably in the ninth century. (The oldest town in the area is actually Spandau, now a Berlin suburb, which dates from the eighth century.) "Berlin" is a word of Slavic origin, meaning a swamp.[1]

The name of the city, Graz (see the Slavic settlement Grad), and some archaeological finds point to the erection of a small castle by Alpine Slavic people

wikipedia

Hometown of Arnold Swarzenegger was founded by Slavs. By the way, less than quarter of Austrians have R1b and the same amount of R1a. Arnold was classified on some forums as partially Neo-Danubian it means he may have some Slavic roots.

Approx. 1/3 of family names in East Germany have Slavic origins. Even before immigrants came in. So its in fact Germans have more Slavic roots and heritage than Poles have German.

By the way, R1b originated in Asia:
R1b is a sub-clade within the much larger Eurasian MNOPS "macro-haplogroup", which is one of the predominant groupings of all the rest of human male lines outside of Africa, and this whole group, along indeed with all of macro-haplogroup F, is believed to have originated in Asia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b_(Y-DNA)#Origin_and_dispersal
Haplogroup I1 (Y-DNA) is the original paternal lineage of Nordic Europe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M253

In spite of its lucrative saltworks, Lüneburg was originally subordinated to the town of Bardowick only a few miles to the north. Bardowick was older and was an important trading post for the Slavs.

In the 11th century Polabian Slavs founded a settlement at the Warnow river called Roztoc (which means broadening of a river); the name Rostock is derived from that designation.

In the midst of these lakes there was a settlement of the Slavic Obotrite (dated back to the 11th century). The area was called Zuarin (Zwierzyn), and the name Schwerin is derived from that designation.

The eastern Slavic tribe of the Carantanians migrated westward along the Drava into the Eastern Alps in the wake of the expansion of their Avar overlords during the 7th century, mixed with the Celto-Romanic population, and established the realm of Carantania (later Carinthia), which covered much of eastern and central Austrian territory and was the first independent Slavic state in Europe, centred at Zollfeld.

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So, are you sure you do not have a Slavic roots?

Brandenburg is situated in territory known in antiquity as Magna Germania, which reached to the Vistula river. By the 7th century, Slavic peoples are believed to have settled in the Brandenburg area. The Slavs expanded from the east, possibly driven from their homelands in present-day Ukraine and perhaps Belarus by the invasions of the Huns and Avars. They relied heavily on river transport. The two principal Slavic groups in the present-day area of Brandenburg were the Hevelli in the west and the Sprevane in the east.

Chemnitz is named after the river Chemnitz, a small tributary of the Zwickauer Mulde. The word "Chemnitz" is from the Sorbian language and means "stony brook". It is known in Czech as Saská Kamenice.

The name may originate from the Slavic term timänie 'swampy area'. Another possible origin for the name Demmin could be from Old Polabian dym (plural: dyminy) 'smoke', referring to clearing land through burning to make settlement possible.

From the 7th through the 12th centuries, the area of Mecklenburg was taken over by Western Slavic peoples, most notably the Obotrites and other tribes that Frankish sources referred to as "Wends". The 11th century founder of the Mecklenburgian dynasty of Dukes and later Grand Dukes, which lasted until 1918, was Nyklot of the Obotrites.

Ratzeburg. The town was founded in the 11th century as Racisburg. The name is traditionally derived from the local Wendish ruler, Prince Ratibor of the Polabians, who was nicknamed Ratse.

Lübben (Spreewald) (Lower Sorbian: Lubin (Błota)) is a town of 14,000 people, capital of the Dahme-Spreewald district in the Lower Lusatia region of Brandenburg, Germany.

Torgau history. The settlement goes back to a Slavonic settlement named Turguo in the shire of Neletici. There was presumably a wooden Slavonic castle located under the present-day Hartenstein castle.

Ribnitz-Damgarten. The town's name derives in the Slavic settlements Rybanis (ryba means fish) and Damgor (dam means oak tree, gora means hill), located on opposite sides of the mouth of the Recknitz river.

To be continued...

Währing (German pronunciation: [ˈvɛːʁɪŋ]) is the 18th district of Vienna and lies in northwestern Vienna on the edge of the Vienna Woods.
The first mention of Währing is in documents from around 1170, as Warich. The name could plausibly come from Slavic (var for a warm spring) or Germanic (werich for a plot of land that a farmer can work for a day) origins.


Almost definitely much more than Poles have German roots.
Founded by the Polabians as Vishemir[2] and later settled by the Germans, Wismar is said to have received its civic rights in 1229, and came into the possession of Mecklenburg in 1301.

The origin of the name Görlitz is derived from the Slavic word for "burned land,"[4] referring to the technique used to clear land for settlement. Zgorzelec and Czech Zhořelec have the same derivation.

After the migrations, Slavs moved in and Potsdam was probably founded after the 7th century as a settlement of the Heveller centred on a castle. It was first mentioned in a document in 993AD as Poztupimi, when Emperor Otto III gifted the territory to the Quedlinburg Abbey, then led by his aunt Matilda.

Cottbus. The settlement was established in the 10th century, when Sorbs erected a castle on a sandy island in the River Spree. The first recorded mention of the town's name was in 1156. In the 13th century German settlers came to the town and thereafter lived side-by-side with the Sorbs.

Bautzen. The first written evidence of the existence of the city was in 1002. In 1018 the Peace of Bautzen was signed between the German king Henry II and the Polish prince Boleslaus I. The Treaty left Bautzen (Budziszyn in modern Polish) under Polish rule.

The region around Zwickau was settled by Slavs as early as the 7th century. The name Zwickau is probably a Germanisation of the Sorbian toponym Šwikawa, which derives from Svaroziè, the Slavic Sun and fire god.[7] In the 10th century, German settlers began arriving and the native Slavs were Christianized.

The name Güstrow comes from the Polabian Gušèerov and means lizard place.[2]In 1219 the Wendish castle Güstrowe was built at the place, the renaissance castle stands nowadays.

The place name Gera originally referred to the area of the Elster river valley where the city now stands. The name most likely[original research?] originated before the European migration period - the Slavic people who first settled the area during the 8th century adopted the name. The first known documentary mention of Gera dates from 995.

Bamberg. During the post-Roman centuries of Germanic migration and settlement, the region afterwards included in the Diocese of Bamberg was inhabited for the most part by Slavs.

Kamenz (Sorbian Kamjenc) is a Lusatian town in eastern Saxony, Germany, with a population of 18,243, and is part of the Bautzen district.
Plauen. The town was founded by Polabian Slavs in the 12th century and was passed to the Kingdom of Bohemia in 1327.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]

Not really. I just wanted to show that Russia is not so alien to Western Europeans as some are trying to hint.
Personally I like many features of German culture and do not disagree that person could respect his German heritage.
Personally, I would if Germans would be more biologically sustainable and thriving nation.

History / How come Poles like Russians but not Germans? [216]


From 16% they have (if they do), 8% is from Celts and 8% they had originally (as well as Russian Europids). Small part of it could be from Germans as well.

I wonder, why somebodies want to be related to Germans so much? I do not have something against modern Germans, but we have to recognize

they are practically under extinction as a nation. Currently in Germany 34.9% of all children under age 5 have at least one parent who bears non-German passport. Not to count those non-German parents with German passports. Just in one generation Germans will become minority in their own country.

40% of German girls do not want to have any children. An example to follow?.. Well, but beside any other qualities a nation needs to have at least survivability...

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I wouldn't care if this is true, but still there is no evidence. The main Germanic marker is I1a and I1c (I2b) haplogroups. Northern Germans and Swedes have more of it than R1b. According to link I provided Poles have close to zero I1c (I2b) (typical Saxon marker) and only slightly more I1a than Russia citizens. And hardly more at all than ethnical Russians. R1b is not necessarily Germanic. It is present in large amounts in Romanians (even more than Poles), Turkish, Albanians, Hungarians, Bulgarians and Portuguese. I agree to permit that some part of it that is present in Poles was borrowed from Celts. But even those estimations for Poles could be exaggerated because Czech who experienced even more extensive Germanisation policies have R1b and I1a hardly more than Poles, what is strange. So up to now I suggest there is no proves, but there is certain tendency to falsification.

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Donald Tusk belongs to the Kashubian minority in Poland.


The link N1 gives R1b frequency for Poles 16.5 and for Russians at 6. But I guess that under Russians they mean anyone who live in Russia and not ethnical Russians only.

The link N2 gives some R1b subclads and one such subclad is 23% for Russian Bashkirs and 22% for Poles. Proves quite a little. And it is based on 110 Polish samples only.

The link N3 indeed claim Poles have 30% of I1 + R1b. But they failed to mention that I1 falls into two main subclades I1a and I1b. Only I1a of them is typically Germanic. I1b is rather paleo-Balkan in origin. Similar to Russians Poles have more I1b than 1Ia. According to this haplogroup map Poles have just a bit more I1a than Russians and quite a bit more R1b. But again those estimations could be rather for everyone who lives in Russia rather than ethnical Russians.

s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4918955/1/

Former Polish leaders: 1) Walesa 2) Jaruzelski 3) Gomulka 4) Pilsudski

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Could you give reference of it? I'm a bit interested in European genetics and bet that Poles hardly have R1b more then 10-15%. Otherwise it could be exaggerated and requires proves. The most Germanic haplogroup is usally claimed to be I1a. R1b is more Celtic and general-European.


I didn't remark that much visible Germanic influence in Poles. More Slavic.

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Do you mean ethnical Russians or Russian citizens? Interesting. Could you post here pics of few ethnical Poles and ethnical
Russians as example, to show what you mean?
Here is two last Polish presidents pic1, pic2 and two last Russian presidents pic3, pic4.
Who of them look more Slavic or Germanic? Could you describe what is typical Germanic and Slavic looks are?
I would appreciate.

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Russians have German roots even more...

Today, there are approximately 600,000 ethnic Germans in Russia (Russian Census (2002)), a number that increases to 1.5 million when including people of partly German ancestry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga_Germans

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Are you sure those were Russians? I thought those were Kyrgyz.

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I wish European nations forget their past to the extent it would allow them to build new and free Europe. If such thing is possible at all, of course.

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No care to provide details on it? When exactly that's happened? Maybe during Polish invasion in Russia in 1612?

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Russians were often ruled by non-Russians. For example Catherine the II who together with Germany and Austria participated in Poland partition was known up to age of 19 as: "she was born in Stettin, Pomerania, Prussia as Sophie Friederike Auguste von Anhalt-Zerbst-Dornburg".

Josef Stalin wasn't Russian either. He spoke all his life with strong accent in Russian, what later served as a matter of different parodies. Nicolas the II of Russia promised independence to Poland if they will fight well on side of Russia in WWII. If I remember there was no ruler of Russia (who would be more or less ethnical Russian) and who would invaded Poland just to conquer it. Even Bolsheviks were more obsessed with idea of World Revolution than just joining Poland to Russia. Neither ethnical Russians ever genocidized ethnical Poles for just been Poles if I know it correct. It comes to a certain contrast with following historical fact:

Unconditionally, attention should be paid to the fact that there can be no "Polish masters"; where there are Polish masters, and I do not care how hard this sounds, they must be killed. (...) The Fuhrer must emphazize once again that for Poles there is only one master and he is a German, there can be no two masters beside each other and there is no consent to such, hence all representatives of the Polish intelligentsia are to be killed. (...) The General Gouvernment is a Polish reservation, a great Polish labor camp." - note of Martin Borman

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Government

News / "Shale Gas Revolution" will make Poland a Leading Country in Europe! [202]

I'm almost sure it is not molten salt reactor they suppose to built but classical light-water reactor.
For now there is almost no MSR in the world except experimental.
youtube.com/watch?v=AF5MHrp1IlA

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There is claims that new reactors based on molten salts are inherently safe
and cannot explode almost under any conditions.Naither they require large and expensive protection.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor

Also if it uses Thorium as fuel it suppose to produce hundreds to thousands times less
nuclear waste than typical Uranium reactor.
What do you think about it?

News / "Shale Gas Revolution" will make Poland a Leading Country in Europe! [202]

Does Poland suppose to develop nuclear energy in foreseeable future?

News / "Shale Gas Revolution" will make Poland a Leading Country in Europe! [202]

According to this map most of Polish territory has 5-6 m/s winds.And some offshore faster
than 8 m/s winds.

Could be on the verge of economic development...

Doesn't Poland still have lots of coal and coalbed methane?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalbed_methane

Biogas production is another option.

News / "Shale Gas Revolution" will make Poland a Leading Country in Europe! [202]

Well, in order to move from any gas and oil dependency it would be logical to move first of all from natural
gas power plants and produce electricity on wind or nuclear power plants of newer generation similar to
Thorium power plants.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor

Wind energy becomes competative with nuclear energy in Brazil.But probably Poland
doesn't have strong winds...
ewea.org/blog/2013/04/cost-of-renewable-energy-is-falling-reports-say

Introdicing advanced hybrid vehicles would be able to reduce dependence on oil a lot...
What is currently needed in field of smokeless energetics is new type of energy storage devices similar
to battery or capacitor.I have my own ideas on this account but will see if I ever could rise money for
practical experiments...

Life / Why are Polish so obsessed with Russia [46]

Personally,I prefer cyrilic alphabet for reading.Latin alphabet is too vertically oriented.Cyrilic letters are wider
and easier to read.And yes,they use smaller amount of characters to describe some sound.

Life / Why are Polish so obsessed with Russia [46]


This is modern Polish alphabet wich non-suitable for Polish language,cyrilic for Ukrainian works much better.
For example: When Poles use four caracters "szcz", Ukrainians use only one - "щ". Poles use two caracters - "ja", "ju","sz",

while Ukrainians only one "я", "ю", "ш".So which alphabet takes it longer to write?

Life / Why are Polish so obsessed with Russia [46]


Maybe these countries are just not populous enough to focus on them?Ethnic Czech + Slovacs who live in their homeland countries are
probobly no more numerous than 10 mln. While ethnic Poles in Poland are close to 35 mln.People are prone to compare something equal
in size.Poland and Ukraine is probably more adequate comparison.

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We have to remark here that Stalin was not Russian.He spoke Russian with hard accent all his life.Neither was Lazar Kaganovich.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich