News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Tell me, oh great dismissive condescending geniuses:
What weather conditions do you see in this video that would result in the annihilation of 97 Polish top brass? Oh, do tell...I can't wait to hear it.

News / Russian air traffic controllers ignored communication protocol of Polish pilots? [194]

Facts:
1) Eyewitness accounts testify to dumping of fuel.
2) Dumping of fuel is indicative of instrument failure.
3) Instrument failures result in crashes/crash landings (if you're lucky)
4) Russian media has been monopolizing and dictating what information is released.
5) Nothing has been heard from Polish investigation.
6) Easy to blame pilot. Dead men can't talk.
7) Video clearly shows stories of fog are grossly exaggerated.
8) Putin is front and center of this investigation.
9) Putin has much to gain from this tragedy.
10) Cabbage has suffocated YOUR brain.

News / Russian air traffic controllers ignored communication protocol of Polish pilots? [194]

You are so far out to lunch on Pluto la-la land it's pathetic, android. Look up definition...automaton that mimics human in resemblance. You can thank your state-sponsored propaganda for that. Human vegetable.

News / Russian air traffic controllers ignored communication protocol of Polish pilots? [194]

Eyewitness account of crash with actual video of plane:
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Notice boy's video camera--and pause here. Where is the fog??? How could boy have seen power lines in thick fog??? Clear blue skies! All news footage of crash site is taken at later time, near end of day, with thick smoke from burning plane filling the sky--not fog! Remember, hours passed before reporters even arrived at crash site.

News / Russian air traffic controllers ignored communication protocol of Polish pilots? [194]

Instrument failure, most likely, as illustrated by fuel dumping. This would explain the false report of repeated landing attempts, when in fact he was likely circling in order to dump fuel to prevent explosion on impact. You cannot dump fuel and keep on flying--landing was attempted only once. The pilot knew they are in deep s**t, and this was a last-ditch desperate attempt to survive crash landing. Aviation 101.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Technical failure, not pilot. What the hell would dumping fuel be about then? By order of Kaczynski? Get real.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Boeing 737 & 757 do not have fuel dumping ability. Tupolev-154 absolutely has fuel dumping capability.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_dumping

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


That's fine--I'll just ignore any more smarmy "Olechka" references by him.


Exactly. So why so quick to blame the pilot :P

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Thank you czar...I have been doing a lot of research as you can tell, and I know what I'm talking about. Let me know if you want good links. I spoke with pilot friend couple of days ago. There were reports the plane was dumping fuel on approach, means pilot was getting ready for crash landing and was dumping it to prevent explosion/fire on impact.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

I would be interested to know if Tusk used the same plane when he went there three days earlier. Does anyone know anything about that?

Sasha...go find Russian forum somewhere.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

I've seen many photos/videos of the crash site, and that is NOT what can be considered as HEAVY fog. Bulls**t story coming from bulls**t masters.

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How would they lose everything if nobody finds out? Why you think Putin is front and center of investigation--expert in suppression.


I know that, maybe you should actually read the article: euobserver.com/9/29831

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


I was referring to real journalists, not Litvinenko. Like Politkovskaya and others.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

quote=Velund]Georgia never joined NATO[/quote]
Sorry, Georgia was puinished for NATO aspirations. Same sh*t. And those were regions that wanted to break away from Georgia, that Russian tanks swooped in in an attempt to scoop up.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


How about an alliance between 2 power-hungry Prime Ministers, one on each side, hmmm?

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


Russian government is anything but "democratic." You could ask murdered journalists, but you can't ;) RIP, Politkovskaya and other warriors…

Later, “comrades”…

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


Not KGB per se, old KGB tactics and mentality which is still alive and well in Russia because of Putin.
Over next 5 years I predict, in this order:
1) Tusk will become president.
2) After Medvedev is out, Putin is back in as president.
3) Poland will withdraw from EU.
4) Similar tactics will be employed in Poland to supress dissent and suspicions as have been employed with control of Russian media, possibly including same tactics as those against Russian journalists.

5) Poland will have pipeline straight from Russia as reward.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


1) Reaction should be demanding fully open, accountable investigation--not Russia dictating it behind "iron curtain."
2) Russia dictating investigation means that no evidence will be found to refute what Russia is claiming.
3) "Puppet" Tusk was likely in on it--crying like a baby on Putin's shoulder is simply good acting job.


So, you think KGB are angels, and are not capable of this, huh? What the hell do you think they train for? If you really think that, you know nothing.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


It's open and available information, no CIA necessary for this one ;) Check EU statistics...more reliable than CIA propaganda.


OK. Nothing bad with it.[/quote]
Bad, because making deal with as big a devil as ex-KGB will make you do stupid things. Ex-KGB spies have no place in politics. Expect corruption, manipulation, mafia mentality. Plus KGB training involves propaganda and avoiding detection. Who better to pull this off? And where better? No intrusions that way and you call the shots.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


Please clarify.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Absolutely...look how cozy he and Putin have become in the aftermath of this (all warm, fuzzy condolences are a good pretext to fool everyone so as not to arouse suspicion).


Politics and power corrupts even saints. And with Kaczynksi gone, the ball is in Tusk’s court. Do not forget how many of Tusk’s political opponents, aside from Kaczynski, were also on board. Kaczynski was a big thorn in the side of Russia and other Polish politicians because he was considered to be uncorruptible. Very difficult to get what you want with that type of personality, especially for Russia. Much easier now...;-)

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


No, he is very pro- close ties with Russia. Numerous news articles on that.


He is now ;-)


Make no mistake, Putin is veeeerrry happy about that. High zloty right now is good for Russian exports to Poland. Poland is Russia's most significant trading partner.


My point exactly...Russia got what it wanted and is delighted.. And Russia always gets what Russia want ;-) Georgia's bid for NATO was quashed by Russian tanks, do not forget.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


Yes, with possibility of direct diversion to Świnoujście and Szczecin. But originally it was to go straight from Russia to Germany. So deal was likely made with Tusk (Putin's favorited Polish politician), to divert to Poland, under one condition...

How convenient that Tusk is now to run for President.

Pipeline was likely the reason for the falling out between Tusk and Kaczynski. Remember, Kaczynski was very pro-West:
"Polish premier's ill-fated trip shrouded in acrimony...
The ill-fated journey that wiped out Poland's governing elite on Saturday was prompted by an angry feud between President Lech Kaczynski and his Prime Minister over the country's tense relationship with Russia, it has emerged."

"Nord Stream Ensures Unrestricted Access to Polish Ports"

"Poles wary of Nord Stream pact"

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

"EU risks losing Ukraine"
euobserver.com/9/29831

Solution in Ukraine was to install puppet Yanukovich. Now gas running smoothly ;-) So, Tusk will run for President (next Putin puppet), and very likely win. Next news you will here is that Poland is withdrawing from EU and getting gas supply straight from Russia. There's already talk in the news that EU currency in 2015 in Poland may be postponed/cancelled, depending on stability of political situation.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


You are right, Jed. The issue now is gas and pipeline running through Baltic, as well as Poland joining EU. As long as Poland is EU member, Russian gas will not go directly to Poland. Remember how pissed Russia was that Ukraine was to join and made their life miserable with cutting of gas supply? (Solution was to install Putin puppet Yanukovich). Poland does not want to be placed in same position. And remember how Georgia was punished for joining NATO? Tusk is next Putin puppet.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


Polish prosecutor only commented that pilot was not pressured to land. Here is the article:

reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63B2Q820100412

But nothing has been heard of from Polish side concerning investigation. Others in Polish government, however, are already suspicous.

There was VERY bad blood between Kaczynksi and Putin/Tusk. Tusk and Kaczynski even had a falling out just few days earlier, which is why Putin only invited Tusk alone, and only after did Kaczynski go, without Tusk. Very convenient that Tusk was not on plane, no?

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


Execution of journalists critical of Putin may be one reason you don't.


Just because you are being fed something, don't swallow it so willingly.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]


Don't forget, Russia is pro at blaming others...perfect example, 70 years of Katyn on Germans.

"Throughout history, Russian leaders have sought to suppress dissent by driving critics into exile - or worse"

kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/63490/

And nobody is blaming "Russians." Only stating obvious reasons why to be justifiably suspicious of Putin. You forget he is ex-KGB lieutenant colonel? Why don't you read some news other than state-approved propaganda?

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Your speculations are nonsense. Why is the only information coming from the Russian side--because they have control of the investigation.

News / Is it possible that Polish president was assasinated? If so then, by whom? [921]

Remember, investigators are going ONLY on what air traffic controllers are telling them... and you think they would admit it, if that were the case? Flight data has only been examined so far by Russia, Polish investigation is myth.

"Russian officials have recovered the two cockpit voice recorders and are decoding them."

"Poland's post-crash sense of unity starts to fray ..Aviation experts say the probe of the crash is moving relatively quickly but some Poles are complaining about a lack of public information, including the transcript of conversation in the cockpit before the accident..."This investigation is moving rather quickly and I've seen more information released than I would normally expect," said Bill Voss, president of the U.S.-based Flight Safety Foundation."


Bulls**t