Stu
9 Jan 2011
News / Gazeta Wyborcza of Poland losing readers [301]
Ender, please learn to read. Torq himself pointed to it in his #133.
Torq said something which he didn't
Ender, please learn to read. Torq himself pointed to it in his #133.
Stu
8 Jan 2011
Life / walk on the 1st january? ( City of Glogow) [9]
Probably it was an annual charity march, organized by Jerzy Gorski, whose aim is to raise money for the poor. Here's the article about it (miedziowe.pl/content/view/46506/189/).
Probably it was an annual charity march, organized by Jerzy Gorski, whose aim is to raise money for the poor. Here's the article about it (miedziowe.pl/content/view/46506/189/).
Stu
6 Jan 2011
News / Today's holiday ("Three Kings") - Is everything closed in Poland? [25]
I made a reservation at Oregano in WRO in an hour. So I know for sure that that one is open. And my Jabka is open from 1200 until 2000, thank goodness. After dinner I'll try to have a drink at "Schody do Nikad" (although I am not sure whether it is open yet). I hope it is less crowded.
But probably mine is not the answer you were waiting for ... ;).
I made a reservation at Oregano in WRO in an hour. So I know for sure that that one is open. And my Jabka is open from 1200 until 2000, thank goodness. After dinner I'll try to have a drink at "Schody do Nikad" (although I am not sure whether it is open yet). I hope it is less crowded.
But probably mine is not the answer you were waiting for ... ;).
Stu
6 Jan 2011
Love / Visiting Polish Girlfriend at her family. How to greet her family members? [7]
Elderly women might appreciate a kiss on the hand ... you know like d'Artagnan. But don't really touch the hands with your lips, let alone leave the hand dripping with your saliver afterwards.
You might want to try to kiss your "sisters-in-law" three times. Not on the mouth or any other part "controversial" part of the body of course ... :D. But three times on the cheeks, again without leaving them dripping with saliver, is the safest (I 've asked my Polish wife and she said it'd be safest). Don't kiss your future "brothers-in-law", though. We are not in an Arab country ... :P.
Take some flowers for your mother-in-law (or Lindt chocolate), maybe some vodka for your father-in-law. Your sisters-in-law might like the Lindt chocolate as well, not the flowers. And if your bottle of vodka is big enough, your brothers-in-law and you might be able to enjoy it as well.
Try to learn some basic phrases. Thank you, your food is the best I've ever tasted, I feel really welcome, etc ... in Polish. I mastered it and I don't have such a high IQ. And look as if you mean it when you are saying it.
For the rest ... just enjoy the different cultures. You'll be having a ball. Try to start some funny interludes and have your girlfriend translate them. Don't be too controversial though ... but I guess you are a sensible guy, so you know what I mean.
Elderly women might appreciate a kiss on the hand ... you know like d'Artagnan. But don't really touch the hands with your lips, let alone leave the hand dripping with your saliver afterwards.
You might want to try to kiss your "sisters-in-law" three times. Not on the mouth or any other part "controversial" part of the body of course ... :D. But three times on the cheeks, again without leaving them dripping with saliver, is the safest (I 've asked my Polish wife and she said it'd be safest). Don't kiss your future "brothers-in-law", though. We are not in an Arab country ... :P.
Take some flowers for your mother-in-law (or Lindt chocolate), maybe some vodka for your father-in-law. Your sisters-in-law might like the Lindt chocolate as well, not the flowers. And if your bottle of vodka is big enough, your brothers-in-law and you might be able to enjoy it as well.
Try to learn some basic phrases. Thank you, your food is the best I've ever tasted, I feel really welcome, etc ... in Polish. I mastered it and I don't have such a high IQ. And look as if you mean it when you are saying it.
For the rest ... just enjoy the different cultures. You'll be having a ball. Try to start some funny interludes and have your girlfriend translate them. Don't be too controversial though ... but I guess you are a sensible guy, so you know what I mean.
Stu
3 Jan 2011
Love / Foreign Men and Polish Girls for Citizenship [59]
Then can you please explain to me why every so often I hear these awful stories about honour killings ... ? I mean, of course not all Turks are monsters, but these stories tend to stick in ones mind. And, correct me if I am wrong, but these things aren't just something that happen "once in a blue moon".
honest and allegiant
Then can you please explain to me why every so often I hear these awful stories about honour killings ... ? I mean, of course not all Turks are monsters, but these stories tend to stick in ones mind. And, correct me if I am wrong, but these things aren't just something that happen "once in a blue moon".
Stu
2 Jan 2011
News / Poland is important in the global economy crisis? [33]
With the help of EU-money (so Germany's, Belgium's, France's, Dutch) ... a kind of -allbeit belayed- kind of Marshall-plan.
Look at Wroclaw's railway station: build by the Germans and renovated by the EU. (And still the damn railway companies say they would like to be exempt from paying compensation for delayed trains for the next 4 years - g0ddamn incompetent bunch.) Not much Polish money invested there, if you ask me. Look at all the new motorways around Wroclaw: build by the Chinese if I am not mistaken and paid for by the EU. And the list goes on and on and on.
I wouldn't beat the drum so loudly, if I were you.
Don't forget that Poland currently is the biggest recipient of EU-grants.
Jee ... and if you have to be proud of the fact that only NOW a Ferrari dealership has opened ... holy crap! Belgium, Germany, France, the Netherlands and a lot of other countries (even Hungary, the Chech Republic and Rumania!) had them for years and years. Wow ... what an achievement ... :-S.
Cheap, Polonius ... cheap.
So ... they were offered it and said no. Then don't complain 60-odd years later you didn't get it.
Polands real base began rebuilding decades after EU's
With the help of EU-money (so Germany's, Belgium's, France's, Dutch) ... a kind of -allbeit belayed- kind of Marshall-plan.
Look at Wroclaw's railway station: build by the Germans and renovated by the EU. (And still the damn railway companies say they would like to be exempt from paying compensation for delayed trains for the next 4 years - g0ddamn incompetent bunch.) Not much Polish money invested there, if you ask me. Look at all the new motorways around Wroclaw: build by the Chinese if I am not mistaken and paid for by the EU. And the list goes on and on and on.
I wouldn't beat the drum so loudly, if I were you.
Don't forget that Poland currently is the biggest recipient of EU-grants.
Jee ... and if you have to be proud of the fact that only NOW a Ferrari dealership has opened ... holy crap! Belgium, Germany, France, the Netherlands and a lot of other countries (even Hungary, the Chech Republic and Rumania!) had them for years and years. Wow ... what an achievement ... :-S.
Cheap, Polonius ... cheap.
The West offered Poland the Marshall Plan, and the red scum in Poland said words to the effect of: "nahh, we don't need it".
So ... they were offered it and said no. Then don't complain 60-odd years later you didn't get it.
Stu
30 Dec 2010
News / POLISH CHILD ABUSING A CAT.. [74]
Not only that ... but they often end up battering their wives and -what's even worse- pdophiles. According to a 1997 study done by the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) and Northeastern University, animal abusers are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against people and four times more likely to commit property crimes than are individuals without a history of animal abuse.
Many studies in psychology, sociology, and criminology during the last 25 years have demonstrated that violent offenders frequently have childhood and adolescent histories of serious and repeated animal cruelty. The FBI has recognized the connection since the 1970s, when its analysis of the lives of serial killers suggested that most had killed or tortured animals as children. Other research has shown consistent patterns of animal cruelty among perpetrators of more common forms of violence, including child abuse, spouse abuse, and elder abuse. In fact, the American Psychiatric Association considers animal cruelty one of the diagnostic criteria of conduct disorder.
When you look at one of the perpetrators who tortured and killed Jamie Bulger, one is inclined to think that even resocialisation doesn't work: "On 21 June 2010, Venables was charged with possession and distribution of indecent images of children. It was alleged that he downloaded 57 indecent images of children over a twelve month period to February 2010, and allowed other people to access the files through a peer-to-peer network. Venables faced two charges under the Protection of Children Act 1978. On 23 July 2010, Venables appeared at a court hearing at the Old Bailey via a video link, visible only to the judge hearing the case. He pleaded guilty to charges of downloading and distributing child prnography, and was given a sentence of two years' imprisonment. At the court hearing, it emerged that Venables had posed in online chat rooms as 35-year-old Dawn "Dawnie" Smith, a married woman from Liverpool who boasted about abusing her eight-year-old daughter, in the hope of obtaining further child prnography. Venables had contacted his probation officer in February 2010, fearing that his new official identity had been compromised. When the officer arrived at his home, Venables was attempting to remove the hard drive of his computer with a knife and a tin opener. The officer's suspicions were aroused, and the computer was taken away for examination, leading to the discovery of the child prnography, which included children as young as two being raped by adults."
Knowing this, I understand the calls of some of you on this forum to have the kids euthanised, cause it seems that whatever resocialisation or rehabilitation you throw at them, it'll never work,
Sadly , kids who behave like this often grow up to be violent serial killers....
Not only that ... but they often end up battering their wives and -what's even worse- pdophiles. According to a 1997 study done by the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) and Northeastern University, animal abusers are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against people and four times more likely to commit property crimes than are individuals without a history of animal abuse.
Many studies in psychology, sociology, and criminology during the last 25 years have demonstrated that violent offenders frequently have childhood and adolescent histories of serious and repeated animal cruelty. The FBI has recognized the connection since the 1970s, when its analysis of the lives of serial killers suggested that most had killed or tortured animals as children. Other research has shown consistent patterns of animal cruelty among perpetrators of more common forms of violence, including child abuse, spouse abuse, and elder abuse. In fact, the American Psychiatric Association considers animal cruelty one of the diagnostic criteria of conduct disorder.
When you look at one of the perpetrators who tortured and killed Jamie Bulger, one is inclined to think that even resocialisation doesn't work: "On 21 June 2010, Venables was charged with possession and distribution of indecent images of children. It was alleged that he downloaded 57 indecent images of children over a twelve month period to February 2010, and allowed other people to access the files through a peer-to-peer network. Venables faced two charges under the Protection of Children Act 1978. On 23 July 2010, Venables appeared at a court hearing at the Old Bailey via a video link, visible only to the judge hearing the case. He pleaded guilty to charges of downloading and distributing child prnography, and was given a sentence of two years' imprisonment. At the court hearing, it emerged that Venables had posed in online chat rooms as 35-year-old Dawn "Dawnie" Smith, a married woman from Liverpool who boasted about abusing her eight-year-old daughter, in the hope of obtaining further child prnography. Venables had contacted his probation officer in February 2010, fearing that his new official identity had been compromised. When the officer arrived at his home, Venables was attempting to remove the hard drive of his computer with a knife and a tin opener. The officer's suspicions were aroused, and the computer was taken away for examination, leading to the discovery of the child prnography, which included children as young as two being raped by adults."
Knowing this, I understand the calls of some of you on this forum to have the kids euthanised, cause it seems that whatever resocialisation or rehabilitation you throw at them, it'll never work,
Stu
19 Dec 2010
Language / How can i teach my child Polish language? (I'm Russian, my wife is Polish) [35]
What others have said as well, just become bilingual. Your wife speaks Polish to your daughter and you speak Russian. And you speak Russian to your wife and your wife speaks Polish to you. I've been brought up bilingually. My mother always spoke (and speaks) German to me, and my father Dutch or French (I've lived in France and Belgium as well).
My father never spoke German to my mother and my mother never spoke French or Dutch to my father. It worked perfectly. But -what others have said as well- your wife should speak Polish to your daughter and you should speak Russian to her ALL THE TIME. It'll work out a treat.
Your daughter will soon pick up the languages, especially at the age of 5.
What others have said as well, just become bilingual. Your wife speaks Polish to your daughter and you speak Russian. And you speak Russian to your wife and your wife speaks Polish to you. I've been brought up bilingually. My mother always spoke (and speaks) German to me, and my father Dutch or French (I've lived in France and Belgium as well).
My father never spoke German to my mother and my mother never spoke French or Dutch to my father. It worked perfectly. But -what others have said as well- your wife should speak Polish to your daughter and you should speak Russian to her ALL THE TIME. It'll work out a treat.
Your daughter will soon pick up the languages, especially at the age of 5.
Stu
18 Dec 2010
News / US Military: The Army of Poland is crap. [124]
Not only the media ... .
Think of the following scenario: our Polish general feels he needs extra troups/extra equipment/extra this/extra that. He's been asking for it many a times in Warsaw, but he got nothing out of there. Our general and his American counterparts have frequent meetings.
Maybe the American military leaders tell the general to increase patrols or whatever. Our general will answer that he would love to, but because of <this or that> he isn't able to. And then he gets an idea: he asks his American counterparts to produce some general, anonymous statement that the Polish soldiers aren't up to their job, because as things stand he cannot guarantee full and meaningful deployment of his troops. (The Afghan security forces say the same about all the foreign troops, so that doesn't really count).
So these American counterparts "coincidentally" run into this Times-reporter who probably is embedded and they do exactly what the Polish general wants. It not only helps the Polish general, but it helps them too.
Now this message WILL be heard in Warsaw. The general can say to his superiors "Hey, I didn't say that, but maybe we should review <this or that>, because our American allies feel that <etc>".
Quite often, rychlik, you can also USE the media.
Not only the media ... .
Think of the following scenario: our Polish general feels he needs extra troups/extra equipment/extra this/extra that. He's been asking for it many a times in Warsaw, but he got nothing out of there. Our general and his American counterparts have frequent meetings.
Maybe the American military leaders tell the general to increase patrols or whatever. Our general will answer that he would love to, but because of <this or that> he isn't able to. And then he gets an idea: he asks his American counterparts to produce some general, anonymous statement that the Polish soldiers aren't up to their job, because as things stand he cannot guarantee full and meaningful deployment of his troops. (The Afghan security forces say the same about all the foreign troops, so that doesn't really count).
So these American counterparts "coincidentally" run into this Times-reporter who probably is embedded and they do exactly what the Polish general wants. It not only helps the Polish general, but it helps them too.
Now this message WILL be heard in Warsaw. The general can say to his superiors "Hey, I didn't say that, but maybe we should review <this or that>, because our American allies feel that <etc>".
Quite often, rychlik, you can also USE the media.
Stu
17 Dec 2010
Love / How to ask the Polish parents for her hand in Marriage? [32]
I have to agree with Olaf and aphrodisiac.
I didn't ask my mother-in-law for "permission". I asked my now wife whether she wanted to marry me ... I thought that would be more important than asking my mother-in-law whether she'd approve (since I had already noticed she kinda liked me anyway).
But after I asked my wife (in front of her mother), my mother-in-law said: "I'm glad that you asked and I approve ..." :D.
maybe it would be good to skip the whole visit at Mama's
I have to agree with Olaf and aphrodisiac.
I didn't ask my mother-in-law for "permission". I asked my now wife whether she wanted to marry me ... I thought that would be more important than asking my mother-in-law whether she'd approve (since I had already noticed she kinda liked me anyway).
But after I asked my wife (in front of her mother), my mother-in-law said: "I'm glad that you asked and I approve ..." :D.
Stu
17 Dec 2010
Food / Why carp for Polish Christmas? [157]
The carp is dead and my mother-in-law alive (at least that is my plan at the moment ... :D)
No, just like that ... with a nice piece of french bread. The port has completely soaked into the cheese. It's absolutely gorgeous.
Do you put it in living or dead? the carp, not your mother-in-law
The carp is dead and my mother-in-law alive (at least that is my plan at the moment ... :D)
Do you prepare it in any other way, baking etc?
No, just like that ... with a nice piece of french bread. The port has completely soaked into the cheese. It's absolutely gorgeous.
Stu
17 Dec 2010
Food / Why carp for Polish Christmas? [157]
Yep ... I'll be flying to Wroclaw tomorrow. Then on the 23rd, I'll put my wife, my mother-in-law and a carp (and most of the other traditional Polish meals/ingredients) in a car and drive back to the Netherlands to celebrate Christmas over here, together with my mother.
No carp for me though. This afternoon I'll go to the butcher's and order a nice piece of venison steak. I'll serve it with some nice garlic potato wedges and a red wine sauce. Infinitely better than carp, if you ask me. I particularly look forward to my dessert: a nice piece of stilton, soaked for two weeks in red port. I can't wait.
Is anybody on this forum eating karp on Christmas' Eve?
Yep ... I'll be flying to Wroclaw tomorrow. Then on the 23rd, I'll put my wife, my mother-in-law and a carp (and most of the other traditional Polish meals/ingredients) in a car and drive back to the Netherlands to celebrate Christmas over here, together with my mother.
No carp for me though. This afternoon I'll go to the butcher's and order a nice piece of venison steak. I'll serve it with some nice garlic potato wedges and a red wine sauce. Infinitely better than carp, if you ask me. I particularly look forward to my dessert: a nice piece of stilton, soaked for two weeks in red port. I can't wait.
Stu
13 Dec 2010
Life / During winter in Poland, does petrol in the car freezes [60]
Doesn't the Diesel sold in cold countries contain additives to prevent this? I'm sure there were problems in the UK recently because councils had been using cheaper diesel (without the additives) for the ploughs and so on.
In the winter (from mid-October) companies in Europe sell so-called winter diesel. In this diesel they use less paraffines and more so-called "light" elements, but they also add so-called "flow improvers" to guarantee a certain viscosity.. This winter diesel is "protected" until -19 degrees C.
Stu
13 Dec 2010
Life / During winter in Poland, does petrol in the car freezes [60]
Yes, petrol can solidify as any fluid can. Petrol solidifies around -50 degrees C.
Diesel freezes in stages. The first stage is the so-called cloudpoint, where the paraffines in the diesel start to solidify. When the temperature drops even further, then you reach the Cold Filter Plugging Point; that doesn't mean the diesel is frozen, but it means that at these temperatures, the filter might clog up by paraffine particles.
In the winter (from mid-October) companies in Europe sell so-called winter diesel. In this diesel they use less paraffines and more so-called "light" elements, but they also add so-called "flow improvers" to guarantee a certain viscosity.. This winter diesel is "protected" until -19 degrees C.
Hope this helps a little.
Does the petrol in the car freezes and become ice, since the temperature drops to - degrees.
Yes, petrol can solidify as any fluid can. Petrol solidifies around -50 degrees C.
Diesel freezes in stages. The first stage is the so-called cloudpoint, where the paraffines in the diesel start to solidify. When the temperature drops even further, then you reach the Cold Filter Plugging Point; that doesn't mean the diesel is frozen, but it means that at these temperatures, the filter might clog up by paraffine particles.
In the winter (from mid-October) companies in Europe sell so-called winter diesel. In this diesel they use less paraffines and more so-called "light" elements, but they also add so-called "flow improvers" to guarantee a certain viscosity.. This winter diesel is "protected" until -19 degrees C.
Hope this helps a little.
Stu
13 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
Of course.
But that doesn't mean that if there are cases of exploitation, they should be dealt with severely.
Again ... I guess there is a difference between signing a contract in Poland and signing one in the Netherlands, since here every branch of industry has its own "Collective Labour Agreement", signed between employers and trade unions.
If the trade unions are cross about something, they will strike, as is the case now in the distribution centres of our biggest supermarket, where a lot of Polish people work (at least they do in the village where I live).
Of course.
But that doesn't mean that if there are cases of exploitation, they should be dealt with severely.
Again ... I guess there is a difference between signing a contract in Poland and signing one in the Netherlands, since here every branch of industry has its own "Collective Labour Agreement", signed between employers and trade unions.
If the trade unions are cross about something, they will strike, as is the case now in the distribution centres of our biggest supermarket, where a lot of Polish people work (at least they do in the village where I live).
Stu
13 Dec 2010
USA, Canada / American...Polish Resident...Returning to the land of milk and honey [103]
Problems with snow, Convex? Heard that the Mid-West is badly affected.
Problems with snow, Convex? Heard that the Mid-West is badly affected.
Stu
13 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
We don't have such a thing as a pay check per week. We are paid per month.
Jee, I don't even have a company car. Complaints about not having a company car, but they are brought to work in a minivan. How bad of these employers of not providing a company car! Shame on them.
Maybe a minority. I only saw 4 examples and again, some of them are partly owned by Polish owners. I'm guessing they have a Polish working agreement and not a Dutch.
They possibly have to keep their rooms tidy, no smoking in the rooms, or any other rule. I do the same with the service men and women on the base I work on. Or maybe they damaged some things, which these people conveniently forgot to mention.
Dumb question, since you know we signed the EU's- social chapter
instead of paycheck every week
We don't have such a thing as a pay check per week. We are paid per month.
company car) which they have never received
Jee, I don't even have a company car. Complaints about not having a company car, but they are brought to work in a minivan. How bad of these employers of not providing a company car! Shame on them.
yes they are slave labour agencies
Maybe a minority. I only saw 4 examples and again, some of them are partly owned by Polish owners. I'm guessing they have a Polish working agreement and not a Dutch.
How is that possible for an agency employees to enter workers housing while they ARE NOT there?And then fine them for any disorder?
They possibly have to keep their rooms tidy, no smoking in the rooms, or any other rule. I do the same with the service men and women on the base I work on. Or maybe they damaged some things, which these people conveniently forgot to mention.
Do you even have any labour rules and regulations in the Netherland?
Dumb question, since you know we signed the EU's- social chapter
Stu
12 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
I've been having a look at their blacklist and at information from our Chamber of Commerce. I saw 4 "Dutch" employment agencies (or employment agencies offering jobs in the Netherlands) on the blacklist, half of which are (partly) owned by Polish people, so in fact they are screwing their own.
If you consider the amount of employment agencies active on the Dutch market, then I think you are not basing your comments on facts, but maybe on hearsay from a couple of disgruntled employees (which you will find everywhere in every organisation). And "slave labour agencies" is an exaggeration. How do you know it is 90% by the way? Did you do some research?
Having said that, if these agencies do extort their personnel, then they have to be dealt with according to the law, no ifs and buts.
90% of them work thru DUTCH slave labour agencies
I've been having a look at their blacklist and at information from our Chamber of Commerce. I saw 4 "Dutch" employment agencies (or employment agencies offering jobs in the Netherlands) on the blacklist, half of which are (partly) owned by Polish people, so in fact they are screwing their own.
If you consider the amount of employment agencies active on the Dutch market, then I think you are not basing your comments on facts, but maybe on hearsay from a couple of disgruntled employees (which you will find everywhere in every organisation). And "slave labour agencies" is an exaggeration. How do you know it is 90% by the way? Did you do some research?
Having said that, if these agencies do extort their personnel, then they have to be dealt with according to the law, no ifs and buts.
Stu
12 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
Why are you so stupid, boy? Can't you understand that it is a choice for some people to live like that? That it is a choice for some people to rent a terraced, one-family home for 500 euro with 10 people (because that way they can make or be left with more money? And that it has nothing to do with one group being pampered and the other not.
Jesus, man ... God gave you a brain. For f*ck sakes, try to honour Him by using it once a month.
Besides, Polish people who choose to stay here and register themselves in the municipality, are eligible for "huursubsidie" (renting subsidy), which means they'll enjoy the same rights as your Maroccans, Turks, etc ... . But, hey ... you should know that, since you claim to have lived here for about 8 years. Since you conveniently choose not to mention that, it is clear for everyone you have a hidden agenda and what a dirty liar you are.
yet top all the bad statistics, whereas the group in the worst conditions (Poles) do pretty well.
Why are you so stupid, boy? Can't you understand that it is a choice for some people to live like that? That it is a choice for some people to rent a terraced, one-family home for 500 euro with 10 people (because that way they can make or be left with more money? And that it has nothing to do with one group being pampered and the other not.
Jesus, man ... God gave you a brain. For f*ck sakes, try to honour Him by using it once a month.
Besides, Polish people who choose to stay here and register themselves in the municipality, are eligible for "huursubsidie" (renting subsidy), which means they'll enjoy the same rights as your Maroccans, Turks, etc ... . But, hey ... you should know that, since you claim to have lived here for about 8 years. Since you conveniently choose not to mention that, it is clear for everyone you have a hidden agenda and what a dirty liar you are.
Stu
12 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
Simply not true. Initially people were afraid for their jobs. Then they sometimes noticed that they couldn't park their cars in front of their own homes anymore, because -as AJ rightly said- they tended to stay with ten people (and eight cars) in a one-family, terraced house. Or they noticed that alcohol abuse was rampant. No-one ever was afraid that they would behave the same. Try to get your facts right.
some people feared that they would behave the same
Simply not true. Initially people were afraid for their jobs. Then they sometimes noticed that they couldn't park their cars in front of their own homes anymore, because -as AJ rightly said- they tended to stay with ten people (and eight cars) in a one-family, terraced house. Or they noticed that alcohol abuse was rampant. No-one ever was afraid that they would behave the same. Try to get your facts right.
Stu
12 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
Would you care to explain, cause I don't understand what you mean. In Charlois you see Polish shops, Polish hairdressers, so fact of the matter is that they bring in new economic activitites.
So it is a stupid idea of a local Dutch politcian to move Poles move to these areas
Would you care to explain, cause I don't understand what you mean. In Charlois you see Polish shops, Polish hairdressers, so fact of the matter is that they bring in new economic activitites.
Stu
11 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
I didn't ... I just commented on the fact that he didn't have the pleasure of attending a good school, which I said was is a pity cause there are several good ones in Belgium.
Don't however let's judge a country by its educational quality
I didn't ... I just commented on the fact that he didn't have the pleasure of attending a good school, which I said was is a pity cause there are several good ones in Belgium.
Stu
11 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
I don't think he knows that, Lyzko. He comes from Antwerp (Flanders) and hasn't had the pleasure of a basic education. A pity, cause there are some really good schools in Belgium; I know, cause I have been on two of them.
Surinam isn't in the Sahara ... which only proves my first point.
'Plus ca change..'
I don't think he knows that, Lyzko. He comes from Antwerp (Flanders) and hasn't had the pleasure of a basic education. A pity, cause there are some really good schools in Belgium; I know, cause I have been on two of them.
These 'Surinaamse
behaving like a camel from the Sahara
Surinam isn't in the Sahara ... which only proves my first point.
Stu
11 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
I can't wait for scum like you to leave Wroclaw. You give the place a bad name.
Nowhere (and I mean absolutely nowhere) did I draw a comparison between Poles and other nationalities. My intention was to highlight the positive influence Polish people can have on a neighbourhood (so finally some good news as well).
But there you come again with your warped, stupid ideology about how bad blacks are. You're a such a stupid twat. It surprises me you didn't mention the fact that you can't get laid because the blacks have taken away your girls.
**** off, you jerk. If I were you I'd pray I never come across you when I am Wroclaw. You wouldn't like it, trust me.
They don't exist anymore. And Poles wouldn't have been eligible for those anyway. They have normal jobs, for which in some circumstances employers can't find locals to do them. And as I said, I know for example a Polish woman working for a major bank, who doesn't need to speak the language either. Or the example from the website I posted.
jarnowa
I can't wait for scum like you to leave Wroclaw. You give the place a bad name.
Nowhere (and I mean absolutely nowhere) did I draw a comparison between Poles and other nationalities. My intention was to highlight the positive influence Polish people can have on a neighbourhood (so finally some good news as well).
But there you come again with your warped, stupid ideology about how bad blacks are. You're a such a stupid twat. It surprises me you didn't mention the fact that you can't get laid because the blacks have taken away your girls.
**** off, you jerk. If I were you I'd pray I never come across you when I am Wroclaw. You wouldn't like it, trust me.
Melkert baantjes'
They don't exist anymore. And Poles wouldn't have been eligible for those anyway. They have normal jobs, for which in some circumstances employers can't find locals to do them. And as I said, I know for example a Polish woman working for a major bank, who doesn't need to speak the language either. Or the example from the website I posted.
Stu
11 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
Because they are trying to find a job in more populated areas. Because these small municipalities have nothing going for them (nowhere to go out for example). And to be fair ... (and exceptions aside), you won't find a lot of people wanting to do the remaining jobs.
And why do you think young people from Holland are moving elsewhere? Because there are ''enough'' opportunities?
Because they are trying to find a job in more populated areas. Because these small municipalities have nothing going for them (nowhere to go out for example). And to be fair ... (and exceptions aside), you won't find a lot of people wanting to do the remaining jobs.
Stu
11 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
Not all Poles only speak rudimentary English and neither do the Dutch. Then again ... even if Poles don't speak the lingo, they don't really need it in day-to-day life, do they? They can still go to a supermarket and get the things they need, a truck doesn't speak a language, neither does an apple, or asparagus and when you are a builder or a welder you don't need the language either.. And bar codes and bar code scanners do all the work for you in distribution centres.
Those Poles who work in big offices are usually more educated (and thus speak English pretty well) and don't even need Dutch in their work. I've met a Polish woman who works for ABNAMRO (a bank) in Amsterdam and she doesn't need to speak Dutch in her office. In the Netherlands there even is a site for foreign job seekers (undutchables). There they have a number of vacancies in the Netherlands for people who don't speak the language (for example undutchables.nl/jobs/detail/?id=8178 - only English and native Polish).
I guess there are enough opportunities.
Somehow though, I can scarcely fathom the Poles speaking in their rudimentary English with the Hollanders (or vice-versa, for that matter)
Not all Poles only speak rudimentary English and neither do the Dutch. Then again ... even if Poles don't speak the lingo, they don't really need it in day-to-day life, do they? They can still go to a supermarket and get the things they need, a truck doesn't speak a language, neither does an apple, or asparagus and when you are a builder or a welder you don't need the language either.. And bar codes and bar code scanners do all the work for you in distribution centres.
Those Poles who work in big offices are usually more educated (and thus speak English pretty well) and don't even need Dutch in their work. I've met a Polish woman who works for ABNAMRO (a bank) in Amsterdam and she doesn't need to speak Dutch in her office. In the Netherlands there even is a site for foreign job seekers (undutchables). There they have a number of vacancies in the Netherlands for people who don't speak the language (for example undutchables.nl/jobs/detail/?id=8178 - only English and native Polish).
I guess there are enough opportunities.
Stu
11 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
Does it matter when there is a favourable story about Poles abroad?
Theres only what two Dutch regular members here.
Does it matter when there is a favourable story about Poles abroad?
Stu
11 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
Well ... it's not really a report, but an article in a newspaper. From what I know, but this is just from the top of my head, the same does not apply for those you mentioned, except for the female part. Usually, women have and persue higher education than the men.
Which again goes to show that, according to me, the best foreign development projects we can do, is educating women. It has much better results than giving money, food aid or whatever.
On a side note: countries where extremism is rampant, are also those countries where women's rights are non- or barely existent.
maybe you could post a similar report
Well ... it's not really a report, but an article in a newspaper. From what I know, but this is just from the top of my head, the same does not apply for those you mentioned, except for the female part. Usually, women have and persue higher education than the men.
Which again goes to show that, according to me, the best foreign development projects we can do, is educating women. It has much better results than giving money, food aid or whatever.
On a side note: countries where extremism is rampant, are also those countries where women's rights are non- or barely existent.
Stu
11 Dec 2010
USA, Canada / American...Polish Resident...Returning to the land of milk and honey [103]
According to flightradar24.com Convex's AAL89 is flying over Gloucester right now. I sent him a text message in the morning wishing him a good flight. He obviously overslept, cause 50 mins before his flight to WWa he answered that he had just taken a taxi to the airport :D. Eventually he made it, but I guess only just.
According to flightradar24.com Convex's AAL89 is flying over Gloucester right now. I sent him a text message in the morning wishing him a good flight. He obviously overslept, cause 50 mins before his flight to WWa he answered that he had just taken a taxi to the airport :D. Eventually he made it, but I guess only just.
Stu
11 Dec 2010
Polonia / The Netherlands: run-down districts happy with Polish immigrants [59]
I guess you are right. If there is only one negative comment (how ever slight or insignificant), some on here go all berzerk. But here we have something positive about Poles abroad and it seems there is a collective radio silence. A pity.
It seems that positives doesn't intrest PF users
I guess you are right. If there is only one negative comment (how ever slight or insignificant), some on here go all berzerk. But here we have something positive about Poles abroad and it seems there is a collective radio silence. A pity.