Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


Schools are type of a church, where people pray through science to the same God, whom we constantly search. The dressing code, therefore, should be appropriate to this religious institution.

News / What are Poland's optimal both real and virtual neighbors? [81]


In a very direct way. Among various choices there is often one which is optimal.


Because, first of all, nobody gives a damn about non-Europe and, secondly, Poland, I have no idea how, ended up neighboring only European states.


You better not :)





But you didn't say a thing ;) How can you be wrong?

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


I know because you want to live and celebrate Easter in Polish church, which is nice and admirable, Ironside. As soon as this wish expires, I will know you are ready to switch countries, religion and language, which is also nice and I will support you in this decision. I'll help you with my language (do you live somewhere near Pszemysl?) :)

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]

I agree with you, welshguyinpola, more than you think. And it is great that you pointed this out. Christ made it about our spiritual life, whereas in the Old Testament and XXI century Testament it seems revolving around the same primitive material notions of dress code.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


No, it is not special. Every mass is made of these two parts. You will definitely find it in any prayer book. But it lost its original significance, though the name is still there.


Were those people old men or old women? Women. You see. For them our hairy legs are sexy. Men are different: we respect material beauty even in the spiritual places :) We appreciate God's work whether it is physical or spiritual and they can be mixed, any time and any place. That's why we made in God's image and women in the image of our ribs. They don't understand :)

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


I understand you, but it is not only about you and a girl, it is about other people's ability to meditate. I know that you are able to think about higher matters, but others cannot when they see naked body. Nobody will punish you and you should do as you like, but also you might consider a bit weaknesses of those who cannot pray by seeing beautifully exposed body parts.


You would definitely find one in the Old Testament, Seanus. There are so many rules that the head will spin around.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


Pawian, I found it. It is called in Polish "msza katechumenow" and is the first part of the mass. But I didn't find the exact word we have in the Ukrainian church which asks for those to leave, but again it is strictly symbolic.


pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Msza_katechumen%C3%B3w


sanctus.pl/index.php?grupa=128&podgrupa=150

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


Absolutely agree with you here, Seanus. I am playing a bit devil's advocate as I don't like this nonsense. The Church turns from the spiritual to the "who wear what" mode. But I understand the people on the other side of the debate, because we all are different. Who should win? I think the majority or even better build Churches with/out cloth code to accomodate everyone.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


You are a strong man. When I see beautiful legs in front of me, I am getting confused and disoriented. It ruins the whole purpose of being in the Church. I want to come to the Church and forget about all the seductions of the outside world. I am and many other people are like that - weak and pathetic. We need clear minds at least in one place. Will others accomodate this minor understanding of our needs?

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


I think, Seanus, it is not about what is written, but certain accepted norm of our society. It is like smoking in the bars: it was Ok ten years ago and now it is all of a sudden forbidden. Why? Because will and safety of the majority is taken into consideration.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


There is also saying: "While in Rome..."

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


I'll try to find it, Pawian, online.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


Yes, but there is a part in the mass when it is aked all those not Christians to leave the Church proper. I think this is very outmoded and incorrect and also in contradiction with Christ's philosophy.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


I am a Catholic and I agree that this is wrong. It should be available to anyone without even a bit of reservation.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


Great point, Pawian.


Sociopaths.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]

I remember being told that it is inappropriate to wear a shirt with short sleeves after the mess. It was summer and hot outside. I had my pants on me, though. I agree with the Welshguy in that the dressing code is blown out of proportions sometimes and older women (not men!!!) have problem with that. On the other hand, I think it is just some part of the generally accepted etiquette to be properly dressed. Have you seen a groom in tuxedo and shorts? Why not? Because his bride would tear the last bits of hair if she sees him like that. Maybe, the women is the real problem, not the shorts in the Church as such?

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]

The Church is about forgetting for a moment your body and trying to find your soul. When I see a chick in front of me with all the beauty that God gave her I forget naturally my soul and I am all body again. I need to concentrate.

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]

Do people go to the theatres dressed in shorts? Just a peaceful question :)

Life / How could things have gone so wrong (Poland church dress code) [195]


Because they are sexy, man. Do you want to see naked dudes in the church?

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


Is it any better? It simply means "eastern borders/limits". These lands are not your borders.


You just make a wrong move and you will lose your independence altogether. Lithuania, Germany, Belarus, Ukraine, Czech republic and Slovakia will recall old grievances and Poland will become like the Vatican in a few days, and you, grubas, will be the head of this city-state. Do you want it? Better enjoy like all normal people in Poland your beautiful country and stop jumping around.


Some people just like to search trouble on their rear-ends.

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


These will be the back-up :)


You might throw up from this vigorous imagination and call mental asylum for serious help.


Do you think our goats and ostriches are worse than your horses? You clearly under-estimate.

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


Ukraine will interfere by flank-attacking Poland with its 17th Armored Goat Brigade and a squadron of low flying ostriches. What will you do then?

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Hi there. Sorry for my late reply. Let me know if you still visit PF via my email or just through this thread. Thanks.

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


I think that calling the western lands "odzyskane" (recovered) and the eastern lands "utracone" (lost) is too pretentious, Torq. It basically suggest that the ultimate right to the lands are in Poland, which is not true. Kievan Rus had Przemysl before Poland, but we don't call it "lost lands". Why France doesn't call Warsaw Duchy "lost territories" or Austria doesn't mention Poland as something lost. Call it its name: Galicia, Silesia, Wolyn, Vilnius, Grodno etc. This is, IMHO, more appropriate, what you think? Otherwise, it raises too much unnecessary tension.


Enlighten me, Ironside, with your immense intelligence where Taras Shevchenko was born. But before you answer that question remind me where Adam Mickiewicz, an icon of Polish literature was born. I hope it will help to straighten your narrow thinking process a bit.


Great point, don't you agree? Read every word carefully.


In what way? Just because a significant part of its population speaks Russian? Majority of those are proud Ukrainians who due to Russification speak Russian. But to say that they are Russians is wrong. It is the same as to say that Austrians are Germans and vice versa just because they speak the same language. There is different mentality, culture, history.

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


*bows to the Master* :)


He's Groanside, forgive him, Torq.

Life / Did you already bless your Święconka? [31]

Thanks a lot, Seanus :)

Life / Did you already bless your Święconka? [31]


Sorry, you are right.


The same way here, JP, as you can see. Happy Easter to you too. Risen, indeed!


Seanus suffers the same disease as Joe and me :) Everything upside down :)


Salut Seanus, you started on that too early ;) I am glad that brought back the traditions, it is really great. Happy Easter!


Oh, that's interesting. Thanks, Vincent.

Life / Did you already bless your Święconka? [31]


Absolutely. And also we have much larger baskets than the one on a picture :) We take the whole table to the church for blessing, quite literally :)


I don't think Poland had more significant influence on the Ukrainian Easter celebrations than the other way around, because even though Ukrainian Catholic Church is Catholic, it is more like Greek Orthodox Church where it draws its roots from, than Polish Church of Roman rite. In addition, the Polish presence in western Ukraine was more city-bound and the villages lived what they knew since times unknown. This is what I like about my village - it keeps old, old traditions. Nowadays though, there are exchange of cultural traditions and it is Ok, bu I wish everyone kept one's uniqueness. It makes it more interesting.


It is nothing compared to an outside, rural setting somewhere in Ternopil region with ages-old traditions.


It is impossible, you might have confused the dates. Priests will never bless food on Good Thursday or Friday. The reason is Christ according to the tradition was crucified on Thursday; Food blessing and the end of the Lent coincide with the Ressurection, which is three days later.

Life / Did you already bless your Święconka? [31]

It is one of the most uplifting holidays, I think. Something about the spring besides the Ressurection which makes it all the more powerful. The boxwood would be the symbol of the eternity and it is usually sticked on the top of a paska, which might show the rise of new life from the bread which went through its ups and downs as Christ to end up giving a hope. The eggs might more likely symbolize the beginning. Are they eaten first thing after blessing in Poland? We have a peeled egg split in so many parts as a size of the family and each eats a slice after a prayer. The visit to the cemetaries is done right after the church to share the happiness with the passed away relatives or not. Also there is meat of some sort: a piece of kielbasa or pasztet or butter formed in hedgehogs, which is amazing. In the villages especially the embroidered scarfs that cover the basket are different, unique for each woman that made it.

History / The smallest Poland ever? [115]


And then you give back eastern Poland to Ukraine, western part to Germany and the northern territories to Sweden, which had that in the past and, of course, the southern territories to Austria where they should belong. How is that? Then just move to Budapest and enjoy Hungarians all day long.